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  • #46
    Originally posted by sajjt View Post
    Shree, long time man

    How can it be installed on a H4 or r u suggesting for an aux?

    If it can glow one 55W H3 then why can't we use a 55/60W H4 which is the best bet? It should give a better spread than the non std h3 right?
    Hey bro ! I know long time, held up with work !!

    Well the bulb type is not the usual p43 base. Its a old type and finding a 55/60w for that type was next to impossible for me so dropped the idea.



    Did some juggad and managed to place a H3 bulb firmly and it glows at max intensity. But the same I tried on H4 P43 55/60w, it cried to glow.

    God knows why I thought all 55w bulbs will consume same power.

    Yes the spread is not at par with H4 55/60w, but way better than stock !! Yeah aligning and making sure the bulb is firm is a headache, I used M-Seal

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Above_All View Post
      sorry for late reply , my hard disk crashed , so no pc untill got hdd repaired ( 15 days minimum ) . If any typing mistake then please understand as mobile keypad is not like keyboard. @ sajit thanks for image of rr. @ shoeb2015 yesterday i went to bajaj showroom & shown the store peoples image of rr posted by sajit , they said it is out of stock & already ordered check in next week.
      Till you get the RR can you snap a good quality image of the wiring diagram ?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
        Hey bro ! I know long time, held up with work !!

        Well the bulb type is not the usual p43 base. Its a old type and finding a 55/60w for that type was next to impossible for me so dropped the idea.


        Did some juggad and managed to place a H3 bulb firmly and it glows at max intensity. But the same I tried on H4 P43 55/60w, it cried to glow.

        God knows why I thought all 55w bulbs will consume same power.

        Yes the spread is not at par with H4 55/60w, but way better than stock !! Yeah aligning and making sure the bulb is firm is a headache, I used M-Seal

        I know u r too good in juggad I remember when my old 4S champion had the same low lighting issues with the non halogen, I plonked the same bulb u've posted but it had both the beams was a good replacement at those times. When I was coming from work , it went off both the beams and the local mech didn't've the 35W instead gave me another "Comet" make which was of 45/40W and I found that it was a real treat for the money I paid, It was really outperforming the 35W halogen in all terms. and it lasted longer than I expected.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
          just checked the wiring diagram and found out that one of the ign coil's input was connected to battery terminal.
          I cant guarantee the correctness due to low quality of img res
          Can anyone find it out ?
          Yes the negative terminal of battery is connected to ignition coil ( green wire )
          positive terminal is to rr & comb switch ( red wire ) From alternator a coil a white wire to rr & a center tap yellow wire to rr & headlight , & other end of coil is grounded . A green wire from Earth ( frame body ign coil ) to rr .

          Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
          Till you get the RR can you snap a good quality image of the wiring diagram ?
          Will try it bro.

          Originally posted by sajjt View Post
          I know u r too good in juggad I remember when my old 4S champion had the same low lighting issues with the non halogen, I plonked the same bulb u've posted but it had both the beams was a good replacement at those times. When I was coming from work , it went off both the beams and the local mech didn't've the 35W instead gave me another "Comet" make which was of 45/40W and I found that it was a real treat for the money I paid, It was really outperforming the 35W halogen in all terms. and it lasted longer than I expected.
          From where you get halogen ? How much it's cost ? i think it would glow to full extent than 55/60 w

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          • #50
            @above all
            Did u source the p150 ug4 RR?
            And what about your hdd,did u get it repaired/exchanged ?
            Last edited by shoeb2015; 12-17-2011, 09:45 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
              @above all
              Did u source the p150 ug4 RR?
              And what about your hdd,did u get it repaired/exchanged ?
              Not yet they said to check in next week .
              HDD is sended to seagate service station pune , will get it repaired/replaced by seagate in minimum 20 days as said by compter dealer here .
              I am here using linux mint live cd Os to run from CD
              Last edited by Above_All; 11-21-2011, 10:04 PM.

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              • #52
                You can buy the ape rr as it can be re-used in another bike.(If you change your bike).
                plus it has been tried and tested to run in many bikes and easily available.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                  You can buy the ape rr
                  As sajit said ape rr is good for 3 phase coils/alternator , as passion has single phase alternator pulsar ug4 rr would do the job . & cost wise ape rr is around 1200 rupees while pulsar ug 4 rr is around 400 rupees .

                  I am trying get details of Hero Honda Ambition & its wiring diagram as i heard that it is a complete dc bike & as its before some year i think it should have single phase coil/alternator & we have to make little modifications to stock wiring .

                  Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                  as it can be re-used in another bike.(If you change your bike).
                  No bro , Passion is my first love First bike of my college life , sweet & lovely memories are attached with it , i want it always with me .

                  BTW bro can you post the diagram & circuit details of using simple cheap relay for headlights .

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                    As sajit said ape rr is good for 3 phase coils/alternator , as passion has single phase alternator pulsar ug4 rr would do the job . & cost wise ape rr is around 1200 rupees while pulsar ug 4 rr is around 400 rupees .

                    I am trying get details of Hero Honda Ambition & its wiring diagram as i heard that it is a complete dc bike & as its before some year i think it should have single phase coil/alternator & we have to make little modifications to stock wiring .
                    Did I said so? APE RR is just another single phase RR, almost 95% of the bikes are with single phase alternator hence the APE RR suggestion. Since u r going for a 35W HID, I've suggested UG4 RR which is more than enough what ur stator coil can pump out. For 4-5A charging rates APE RR is a waste of money, hope u got my point.

                    Single phase RR will have only 2 inputs for AC where as on a three phase RR there will be 3 AC inputs.

                    Here's P220 which is 3 phase one, note the no of AC inputs (Yellow Wires)



                    Here's the APE RR



                    U can consider this also HH Ambition full DC

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                      Did I said so? APE RR is just another single phase RR, almost 95% of the bikes are with single phase alternator hence the APE RR suggestion. Since u r going for a 35W HID, I've suggested UG4 RR which is more than enough what ur stator coil can pump out. For 4-5A charging rates APE RR is a waste of money, hope u got my point.

                      Single phase RR will have only 2 inputs for AC where as on a three phase RR there will be 3 AC inputs.
                      U can consider this also HH Ambition full DC
                      err...... i thought ape rr is for 3 phase but actually you said its more while a pulsar ug4 rr is sufficient for my need . Sorry my bad .

                      Ambition RR cost is 1150 rupees , instead it i will get either pulsar ug4 rr or if not available then will go for ape rr .


                      On sunday i opened the alternator to have a look at coil . & taken some snaps as attached . Please have a look at them .
                      Last edited by Above_All; 11-21-2011, 03:16 PM. Reason: Updated post

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                        err...... i thought ape rr is for 3 phase but actually you said its more while a pulsar ug4 rr is sufficient for my need . Sorry my bad .

                        Ambition RR cost is 1150 rupees , instead it i will get either pulsar ug4 rr or if not available then will go for ape rr .


                        On sunday i opened the alternator to have a look at coil . & taken some snaps as attached . Please have a look at them .
                        Hey bro ,
                        Did you notice that one of the coils is not winded upto the brim ? (Maybe batt. coil)
                        I highly recommend you to go for rewinding it upto the brim to make it pump more amps.
                        You can also try re winding it yourself as there are only three coils to be re winded,so it shouldn't take much time.

                        What do you recommend sajjt ?
                        Last edited by shoeb2015; 11-21-2011, 06:16 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                          As sajit said ape rr is good for 3 phase coils/alternator
                          Sajitt said ZMA/ZMR RR units are 3 phase ones, not the APE

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                            err...... i thought ape rr is for 3 phase but actually you said its more while a pulsar ug4 rr is sufficient for my need . Sorry my bad .

                            Ambition RR cost is 1150 rupees , instead it i will get either pulsar ug4 rr or if not available then will go for ape rr .


                            On sunday i opened the alternator to have a look at coil . & taken some snaps as attached . Please have a look at them .
                            Actually I didn't've any idea of Ambition RR costs hence the suggestion.

                            There's enough space left on each pole for rewinding with thicker wire, but I guess it can over load then engine. But still there's hope as one of the fellow member had rewinded Scooty Pep which is also having only 4 poles and done the DC conversion without any issues as of now. Am yet to get the feed back on the engine perfo from him.

                            Try to rewind it with the 19g wire to the stock turns even if u got more space for more turns to save the engine power. Lets see what will be the outcome.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                              Actually I didn't've any idea of Ambition RR costs hence the suggestion.

                              There's enough space left on each pole for rewinding with thicker wire, but I guess it can over load then engine. But still there's hope as one of the fellow member had rewinded Scooty Pep which is also having only 4 poles and done the DC conversion without any issues as of now. Am yet to get the feed back on the engine perfo from him.

                              Try to rewind it with the 19g wire to the stock turns even if u got more space for more turns to save the engine power. Lets see what will be the outcome.
                              Extra load on the engine will be so soo negligible that you may not even notice it .

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                                Hey bro ,
                                Did you notice that one of the coils is not winded upto the brim ? (Maybe batt. coil)
                                I highly recommend you to go for rewinding it upto the brim to make it pump more amps.
                                You can also try re winding it yourself as there are only three coils to be re winded,so it shouldn't take much time.

                                What do you recommend sajjt ?
                                Can you please mark in the picture & post it . I can't get which one perticular coil you saying

                                Yes i will go for rewinding but not on this , am looking in garages for old crap same coils will do experiment on it & will keep this stock for safety incase anything goes wrong .

                                And can you please tell about those simple cheap relays used for headlights

                                Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                                Sajitt said ZMA/ZMR RR units are 3 phase ones, not the APE
                                Yes i got it

                                Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                                Actually I didn't've any idea of Ambition RR costs hence the suggestion.

                                There's enough space left on each pole for rewinding with thicker wire, but I guess it can over load then engine. But still there's hope as one of the fellow member had rewinded Scooty Pep which is also having only 4 poles and done the DC conversion without any issues as of now. Am yet to get the feed back on the engine perfo from him.

                                Try to rewind it with the 19g wire to the stock turns even if u got more space for more turns to save the engine power. Lets see what will be the outcome.
                                I also don't know the cost of ambition rr , but after your post i enquired the same in HH/HM spare shop & got the price info .
                                Is the g stands for guage ? What should i say to shopkeeper when going to get the wire ? 19guage copper wire

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