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    Quote Originally Posted by sajjt View Post
    @above all, Sorry for the late reply

    Do not settle with a cheaper kit as it will not last long, invest in 1.5-2K range kit which will offer 1 year peace of mind and more than that cheaper kit will sip the battery juice faster.

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    bro sorry to interupt but i would plzz like to tell u tht all the chinese hid's in market are of the same company(motohid) and the only differences are bulb type and temperature....the thing i got for 800 1 year back now costs a 1.5 k in the market and yes the hid on my ss has been runing fit and fine for the last 1.3 years without even a single prob...tht too on stock charging can u plzz tell me more abt this

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTKARSH STUNTY SHARMA View Post
    bro sorry to interupt but i would plzz like to tell u tht all the chinese hid's in market are of the same company(motohid) and the only differences are bulb type and temperature....the thing i got for 800 1 year back now costs a 1.5 k in the market and yes the hid on my ss has been runing fit and fine for the last 1.3 years without even a single prob...tht too on stock charging can u plzz tell me more abt this
    Does this bold letters convey anything more out of specs

    Its just common sense for a lay man to understand that there's no monopoly in most of the products manufactured in China by seeing the variety of brands. I would say its time for u to update about market, u can see many brands operating here ranging from 700 onwards. Do u believe good things will come cheap? I dont think so.

    I must say that u r lucky to have a kit that lasted for more than 1yr for the price u bought, some kits will last longer than we expect but mostly wont survive to the deadline which is after a few months of warranty period. U are blessed with a special bike too as others r running for other alternates bcz of insufficient charging on the stock conditions. Never had a HH till date so can't comment on this. All I can say is HH stock battery is just a 2.5AH which is meant for puny horn, indicator,brake light and neutral so max charging current rate required is 1A max. 9AH battery by stock comes with a charging rate of 3-4A by default unless its a full DC. Thats why I said its very special. Would appreciate if u could post ur charging rates.

    In China, HID industry is just like a cottage industry, few companies are manufacturing the HID capsules and that's being distributed widely for these small scale manufacturers and these small companies will assemble the ballast and wiring harness and market it as a kit. If u can assure them for 1000 pcs, they will brand it on ur name. Had some serious discussions with some of the HID manufacturers 2-3 years back for importing the same, the competetion was very tough and each and every one was offering some extra units or extra warranty period etc for getting the order.

    HID prices had fallen drastically year by year due to the flooding of new brands, I brought my first kit for 5K with 1 year warranty (not pair) 3 years back and till day its fine, and I strongly belive that its bcz of its quality. Same brand u can get with 1 year warranty for 1.5K now. But still, reputed companies are still reaping the premium, P8 kit is still 6500/ for a pair which was 8K 3 years back. Osram/Philips were 12K and now its become 7-8K for a pair. Hope this will give u some idea about what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajjt View Post
    @above all, Sorry for the late reply

    Like Shree said u've to compromise with a 35W HID max with the three pole coil. U can expect a max of 5A out of this puny coil.

    Typical HH Splendor lighting coil:



    Being the current generation is limited, u don't've to go for APE RR, instead u can use Pulsar UG4 RR which can push 5A and its more cheaper than APE RR (Rs 400/ approx) I don't think after rewinding it will give much difference as with a single coil, it wont take much thicker coil, so the low rpm drives will strain the battery I would say try with the stock coil after isolating the grounding and feed it to the new RR and check for the charging rates. (Make sure that all three coils are not splitted for lighting and charging) If its lower than 4A, try to source a spare coil and rewind that and check for the improvement. Try with the next thicker size from the stock winding so that it will take almost near to the stock turns.

    There are mechanics who are simply putting the HID on the battery which is not enough for feeding a HID, it may run for some time, but remember u can't drive in high rpms always. Low battery will flicker HID which will lessen its life span. If u r planning to go for HID, upgrade the battery as well as ur coil is just near to the required rates, so chances are more to fry it in no time.

    When going for DC conv, its always good to route the wires separate than depending on the stock loom as there can be internal tappings in that.

    Do not settle with a cheaper kit as it will not last long, invest in 1.5-2K range kit which will offer 1 year peace of mind and more than that cheaper kit will sip the battery juice faster.

    Also do not go for HID+Halo combo as the halogen will be normally of 55W which is again another battery eater and its hard to get a 35W halogen replacement. Each time when u swap the beam, the ballast will take more current and will worse the battery condition and many are disappointed with this combo as the sudden change of low/high:HID to halo low/high will litterally blind u for a few secs which is very dangerous.
    Thank you for the reply

    Will open the coil aread & post its pictures . Dropping both 55 watt hid & Ape rr from my list , so it would be 35 watt hid with a p180 RR , but bro i think the battery in pulsars are of 9 ah , so its rr is giving some more current & i think after cutting the bracket i can fit atmost battery of 6 amp in passion ( considering no rewinding of coil ), so is that be good to use a rr from Karizma-R or ZMR as they have 6ah battery so it would provide limited charging current to battery & no worry about it being frying out .

    for HID i will go for H4 bixenon type 3 , so no halo+hid combo & i am trying to get info about philips or osram single motorcycle HID H4 but all i found are pair for cars . Any info on that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajjt View Post
    Does this bold letters convey anything more out of specs

    Its just common sense for a lay man to understand that there's no monopoly in most of the products manufactured in China by seeing the variety of brands. I would say its time for u to update about market, u can see many brands operating here ranging from 700 onwards. Do u believe good things will come cheap? I dont think so.

    I must say that u r lucky to have a kit that lasted for more than 1yr for the price u bought, some kits will last longer than we expect but mostly wont survive to the deadline which is after a few months of warranty period. U are blessed with a special bike too as others r running for other alternates bcz of insufficient charging on the stock conditions. Never had a HH till date so can't comment on this. All I can say is HH stock battery is just a 2.5AH which is meant for puny horn, indicator,brake light and neutral so max charging current rate required is 1A max. 9AH battery by stock comes with a charging rate of 3-4A by default unless its a full DC. Thats why I said its very special. Would appreciate if u could post ur charging rates.

    In China, HID industry is just like a cottage industry, few companies are manufacturing the HID capsules and that's being distributed widely for these small scale manufacturers and these small companies will assemble the ballast and wiring harness and market it as a kit. If u can assure them for 1000 pcs, they will brand it on ur name. Had some serious discussions with some of the HID manufacturers 2-3 years back for importing the same, the competetion was very tough and each and every one was offering some extra units or extra warranty period etc for getting the order.

    HID prices had fallen drastically year by year due to the flooding of new brands, I brought my first kit for 5K with 1 year warranty (not pair) 3 years back and till day its fine, and I strongly belive that its bcz of its quality. Same brand u can get with 1 year warranty for 1.5K now. But still, reputed companies are still reaping the premium, P8 kit is still 6500/ for a pair which was 8K 3 years back. Osram/Philips were 12K and now its become 7-8K for a pair. Hope this will give u some idea about what I meant.
    ohke i respect ur knowledge abt hid's and totally agree with u but my only point was to tell u tht the hid's ranging between 800 to 1.5 k are the same type of hid's and come without any warranty...isnt it.... and one more thing im surely lucky to have tht ss which could handle roots horns, hid and some bling bling under the tank..

    And i would also like to mention tht ....when i had fixed all these things i didnt have even tht much knowlegde tht which size the stock battery is so i did totally on the mechanic's risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Above_All View Post
    Thank you for the reply

    Will open the coil aread & post its pictures . Dropping both 55 watt hid & Ape rr from my list , so it would be 35 watt hid with a p180 RR , but bro i think the battery in pulsars are of 9 ah , so its rr is giving some more current & i think after cutting the bracket i can fit atmost battery of 6 amp in passion ( considering no rewinding of coil ), so is that be good to use a rr from Karizma-R or ZMR as they have 6ah battery so it would provide limited charging current to battery & no worry about it being frying out .

    for HID i will go for H4 bixenon type 3 , so no halo+hid combo & i am trying to get info about philips or osram single motorcycle HID H4 but all i found are pair for cars . Any info on that ?
    bro this answer is just for the bold text

    tht u can easily fix a 9ah battery in there coz both passion and ss have the same battery it feels tht it wont fit , but i will fit try it once and the best and cheapest battery to have is MINDA Or Amaron (maintenance free) they cost rs 1.5k

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTKARSH STUNTY SHARMA View Post
    bro this answer is just for the bold text

    tht u can easily fix a 9ah battery in there coz both passion and ss have the same battery it feels tht it wont fit , but i will fit try it once and the best and cheapest battery to have is MINDA Or Amaron (maintenance free) they cost rs 1.5k
    Thank for info bro , will check it out with amaron battery as no minda battery dealer here .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Above_All View Post
    Thank you for the reply

    Will open the coil aread & post its pictures . Dropping both 55 watt hid & Ape rr from my list , so it would be 35 watt hid with a p180 RR , but bro i think the battery in pulsars are of 9 ah , so its rr is giving some more current & i think after cutting the bracket i can fit atmost battery of 6 amp in passion ( considering no rewinding of coil ), so is that be good to use a rr from Karizma-R or ZMR as they have 6ah battery so it would provide limited charging current to battery & no worry about it being frying out .

    for HID i will go for H4 bixenon type 3 , so no halo+hid combo & i am trying to get info about philips or osram single motorcycle HID H4 but all i found are pair for cars . Any info on that ?
    Its not just a P180 RR, it has to be UG4 RR with 4 wires, charging rates are 4-5A so u dont've to worry about it. So long as the RR is fine, ur battery will be safe from over charging, its u to use the load judiciously for not draining it. ZMA/R has got a 3 phase alternator and 7AH batt (IIRC) so, swapping with a 3 phase RR is not a good idea, it may work with that though, and cost wise also its on the higher side. If u r worried about the over charging rates then, ZMA/R has got a 200+W alternator which can pump out not less than 16A which is not at all required for ur case and coupling it with a single phase alternator u can't dream of getting such a whopping current rate.

    Philips and Osram falling under premium range and its hard to get in single piece. Consider some other brand coming with 1 year warranty for ur peace of mind.

    FIY, I've'nt done this on a smaller CC engine so far, its totally depends on the stator core, magnet power, quality of the elements used, number of turns and finally the neatness in winding. Sometimes it mat turn out to be a failure, one of our fellow member once tried to rewind on a Y Crux with APE RR which turned out to be a total failure as the pumping rates were lower than the stock. One more, rewinding on a smaller CC four stroke engine is overloading, u may loose some spirited sprints on signals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajjt View Post
    @above all, Sorry for the late reply

    Like Shree said u've to compromise with a 35W HID max with the three pole coil. U can expect a max of 5A out of this puny coil.

    Typical HH Splendor lighting coil:



    Being the current generation is limited, u don't've to go for APE RR, instead u can use Pulsar UG4 RR which can push 5A and its more cheaper than APE RR (Rs 400/ approx) I don't think after rewinding it will give much difference as with a single coil, it wont take much thicker coil, so the low rpm drives will strain the battery I would say try with the stock coil after isolating the grounding and feed it to the new RR and check for the charging rates. (Make sure that all three coils are not splitted for lighting and charging) If its lower than 4A, try to source a spare coil and rewind that and check for the improvement. Try with the next thicker size from the stock winding so that it will take almost near to the stock turns.

    There are mechanics who are simply putting the HID on the battery which is not enough for feeding a HID, it may run for some time, but remember u can't drive in high rpms always. Low battery will flicker HID which will lessen its life span. If u r planning to go for HID, upgrade the battery as well as ur coil is just near to the required rates, so chances are more to fry it in no time.

    When going for DC conv, its always good to route the wires separate than depending on the stock loom as there can be internal tappings in that.

    Do not settle with a cheaper kit as it will not last long, invest in 1.5-2K range kit which will offer 1 year peace of mind and more than that cheaper kit will sip the battery juice faster.

    Also do not go for HID+Halo combo as the halogen will be normally of 55W which is again another battery eater and its hard to get a 35W halogen replacement. Each time when u swap the beam, the ballast will take more current and will worse the battery condition and many are disappointed with this combo as the sudden change of low/high:HID to halo low/high will litterally blind u for a few secs which is very dangerous.

    Hi sajjt.
    I have done full dc conversion on many 150cc bikes but never on a 100cc

    I am free this week so I want to experiment on installing a Hid(I have a spare hid left from previous mod)
    Also I will be comparing the charging rates of stock and re-wounded coil.

    Few questions
    1.Is the coil inside black insulation for ignition ?
    2.does it have separate coil for charging battery and lights ?

    3.Are there any stator coils from another bikes which is direct fit.
    4.Can anyone provide me the part no. of pulsar 180 ug4rr or any distinct feature of it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeb2015 View Post
    Hi sajjt.
    I have done full dc conversion on many 150cc bikes but never on a 100cc

    I am free this week so I want to experiment on installing a Hid(I have a spare hid left from previous mod)
    Also I will be comparing the charging rates of stock and re-wounded coil.

    Few questions
    1.Is the coil inside black insulation for ignition ?
    2.does it have separate coil for charging battery and lights ?

    3.Are there any stator coils from another bikes which is direct fit.
    4.Can anyone provide me the part no. of pulsar 180 ug4rr or any distinct feature of it ?

    Yes, its for the ignition

    No idea, don't've any hands on experience on a HH

    U can ask for 150/180 UG4 RR/charger at the SVC

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    So do all pulsar ug4 share the same RR unit ?

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