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  • #46
    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    GD, its very disappointing that u didn't got the idea. Its better to go through these forums to get an awareness about these items.

    I will say once again a relay is just a heavy duty switch activated by means of an electromagnetic movement. Once the magnet is charged, the contacts will be closed to complete the electrical circuit. Its not producing or storing or doubling either. Try to understand this pic for further more info

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    A relay is just taking off the load from the stock switch to get the max life span, as the stock switch in the case of a car is designed to support a 55/60 halo, in the case of horns all cars r coming with a relay to my knowlege. A relay will cost u 80-400 (depends on the usage for light or horn) but a stock swtich will make a hole of min 1k onwards depends on the car u own. Now u decide which is affordable a peanut value relay replacing or the entire swtich assy?

    As I told earlier there are people who doesnt know the working princples within the industry its just because of their sheer ignorance due to lack of theoritical knowledge.
    Arre..!! Instead of this long story tell in 1 line na

    Relays doesn't save battery current nor gives extended life to your battery. It just saves your switch assembly from extra load you are putting.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
      Arre..!! Instead of this long story tell in 1 line na

      Relays doesn't save battery current nor gives extended life to your battery. It just saves your switch assembly and the puny wires from extra load you are putting.
      A small modification.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
        Arre..!! Instead of this long story tell in 1 line na

        Relays doesn't save battery current nor gives extended life to your battery. It just saves your switch assembly from extra load you are putting.
        This long story is not meant for tech savy's pls ignore if u came across, let others also learn. This is the way I learnt
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        • #49
          Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
          Because normal switches + their wiring can not take the increased load. So, we need a more robust switch (relay) + thicker wires from the battery.
          +1 to that.
          Your switch contacts will burn out/get fused with in no time due to the heavy current drawn by the lamps/horns etc if you don't use a relay. Electrical power is supplied to the relay directly from the battery ( thro' a fuse) using heavy duty wires.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by sudharma View Post
            +1 to that.
            Your switch contacts will burn out/get fused with in no time due to the heavy current drawn by the lamps/horns etc if you don't use a relay. Electrical power is supplied to the relay directly from the battery ( thro' a fuse) using heavy duty wires.
            I think every member should start reading a thread from the 1st page to get detailed info and the pros and cons too. So that, can avoid repeating the same story all the time.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
              I think every member should start reading a thread from the 1st page to get detailed info and the pros and cons too. So that, can avoid repeating the same story all the time.
              I also vote to this, dear members, pls read the forums before you ask anyting. Its a sheer waste of time for both of us. By reading this, you will get many methods and the pros and cons of each mods too. So be choosy and be happy.

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              • #52
                HID Kit for cars. Do the drain the batter when car is not running

                Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                Jai, u need to read these forums at least for the HID forums fully, surely u'll get an overall awareness in these and I promise u its worth to read.
                Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                There are lot of brands available, mostly chinese are cheaper and the quality? No questions? In my case, So far so good, am using an HID kit on my car for the past 2 years and no issues, and my bike is running on a bixenon HID for the last 3 months. but there are cases on the other side too. reputed brands are Philips,Osram are very very expensive and comes in pairs for 4 wheels not meant for bikes to my knowledge.
                Hi,
                I have recently fit a Bi-Xenon H4 4300K kit in my new WagonR. The wiring harness has a wire to be directly connected to Battery. My car was parked for almost a week and yesterday, when I had to go out and tried unlocking the car using the remote, it didn't. Then checked the battery voltage and was surprised to find it down to 0.03V

                Does the HID kit consume such a huge amount of current to down the battery to such an extent ? Or is this a battery problem ? Earlier too my car was parked during the weekdays and only used on weekend but I had not faced any such issues in the previous weeks after installing the HID kit. Have you noticed such a thing in your car ?

                Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                How to use the HID and all at ur discretions as there are options with HID with Halogen combinations, HID for both H/L , HID for single beam and two HID bulb for H/L etc. Since ur bike is a full DC one there will not be any batt drain issues, I would suggest u to go in for a bixenons (H/L with a single HID) as this will be more lasting than the others anyway. But if u r a city commuter, its better to go for a HID+Halo combi will save u from cops by switching it to halo when u r asked for a stop. If u are going for HID Low beam and Halo High beam(thatz the std) u'll''ve the pass option provided ur pass switch will enable the high beam, there are bikes with passs swtich but the it'll change with the settings with the H/L switch.

                This is HID+Halo Combi
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                This one is Bixenon telescopic
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                Keep in mind that frequent switching will considerably reduce the bulb life even though its life span is rated better than the nornal halogens. Thats why I suggested the bixenons (bit expensive than the others), where bulb is always on only the solenoid is making the bulb to act as H/L, thus the frequent switching is avoided.

                Hope u r clear about ur doubts.
                Regards,
                Rahul K

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rahulya007 View Post
                  Hi,
                  I have recently fit a Bi-Xenon H4 4300K kit in my new WagonR. The wiring harness has a wire to be directly connected to Battery. My car was parked for almost a week and yesterday, when I had to go out and tried unlocking the car using the remote, it didn't. Then checked the battery voltage and was surprised to find it down to 0.03V

                  Does the HID kit consume such a huge amount of current to down the battery to such an extent ? Or is this a battery problem ? Earlier too my car was parked during the weekdays and only used on weekend but I had not faced any such issues in the previous weeks after installing the HID kit. Have you noticed such a thing in your car ?



                  Regards,
                  Rahul K
                  Never. I'm using HID in both my car and bike since close to 2 years. Never had this kind of an issue. HID wont consume power unless you turn them on. A minor amount of power might be used but not much. not sure about the last line though.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by thefastestindian View Post
                    Never. I'm using HID in both my car and bike since close to 2 years. Never had this kind of an issue. HID wont consume power unless you turn them on. A minor amount of power might be used but not much. not sure about the last line though.
                    Hi,

                    In that case what can the battery drain attributed to. My car turns off everything when the key is removed and after locking it, the cabin lights too turn off. There is virtually no possibility of a leakage in a 2 month old car. I am also not doubting on the HID kit, but as of now, that is the only after market fitment that I have on my car which I did on my own with proper knowledge and had checked the discharge rate after installation as well with the engine on. will have to be check the drain rate, once the battery comes back from charging.

                    BTW what is the extra wire to be connected to battery for ? Is it only for the relay ? cause even while installing a relay, we connect one terminal of it to the battery directly. Pls. clarify if you are aware of this.

                    Regards,
                    Rahul K.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Invincible View Post

                      The excitement was short lived because after few days, the light started to flicker and go off after 10-15 min ride. Later I found the light was not a problem but the battery was. The new battery was almost dead after the light went off...!.
                      Also remember NOT to use HID extensively. HID draws more current for starting and if you flicker (switch between high/low beam) the lights often, you are going to need new battery soon.

                      Make sure that HID is off during cranking. Once you start, give your bike some time to idle and then switch on HID, once switched on, do not turn it off sooner. If you are going to stop sooner, do not turn HID on.

                      This way you will put less strain on battery and make it last longer.
                      Last edited by kiranghag; 07-04-2011, 03:51 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Re: HID causing battery drain

                        Hi, by the way nice job buddy, but I need help.I own a pulsar 150 2006 model non digi, I did what ever mods possible cosmetically, but while installing the projector I am facing problem, everything is installed correctly but the HID isn't working well, it's flickering, but when I directly connect the HID to the ballast & then to direct battery it was working correctly, I went to the mechanic but he solved the Problem but but but, he connected everything directly with the battery, morning it was fine but night it just lasted 15min with the hid on & then the whole battery died (3 times) . What to do? What wrong, where's the problem problem yaar? Pls help? I read other posts about coil rewinding with ape RR oem. My mechanic told if I put another charger it will do it. I needed a second opinion from you guys. Just putting a second charger will do or something else also to be done.
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                        • #57
                          Re: HID causing battery drain

                          Is your Pulsar UGIII? AFAIK Pulsars before UGIII sported AC headlamp. They came out in 2006 but since you're saying yours doesn't have a digital display, I'm guessing your bike is UGII. You'll need to get the coil rewinded with a ape RR, then you can run 55w halogen all day all night long. You can opt for HID too since it'd be DC then.
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                            • #59
                              Re: HID causing battery drain

                              bro check your regulator,, may be rag. was the culprit..... as in my case because of the regulator my battery drains,, which even damaged the magnet coil...

                              i don't know how to check regulator but there are some topic where it was discussed how to check regulator,,,

                              and let the battery charge for the whole day.... go to a service center bajaj.. they have a meter to check the battery... for 9 amp. battery. If it is fully charged and fault is not in battery that will indicated 36 or 37 point...

                              hope it may help you.... btw i dont know why he made you to change the switch for converting to ac.... i have read in some topics.... that to change to ac from dc... you have to change the magnet coil....


                              btw let me know if i am wrong guys.
                              Last edited by chopperlover; 04-29-2017, 07:40 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: HID causing battery drain

                                Originally posted by chopperlover View Post
                                bro check your regulator,, may be rag. was the culprit..... as in my case because of the regulator my battery drains,, which even damaged the magnet coil...

                                i don't know how to check regulator but there are some topic where it was discussed how to check regulator,,,

                                and let the battery charge for the whole day.... go to a service center bajaj.. they have a meter to check the battery... for 9 amp. battery. If it is fully charged and fault is not in battery that will indicated 36 or 37 point...

                                hope it may help you.... btw i dont know why he made you to change the switch for converting to ac.... i have read in some topics.... that to change to ac from dc... you have to change the magnet coil....


                                btw let me know if i am wrong guys.
                                hi chopperlover....

                                thank you for replying.

                                actually i have charged the battery 2 times in a local service center.After charging the battery stays OK for a couple of days and the same problem repeats for the third day.

                                And i thought it was my batteries fault and sent my battery to the Amron dealer ,he returned the battery saying that its fine and has no problem.
                                if i ride my bike for say 2 to 3 days without suing the electric start and the hid light ..then i can use the electric start for the forth day for a couple of time.
                                these conditions confuse me weather its the battery problem or if the battery is not getting enough power to get charged.

                                during night when i switch on the hid it dose not flicker .. but if i slow my bike it starts to flicker.. i think the light is directly drawing power from the alternator when the engine is running.

                                i know how to check the regulator near the battery terminals ..the volt meter should show around 14.20 volts across the terminal.

                                if there is any other way please let me know guys.

                                i am really bad at this electrical thing and need more knowledge.

                                mine is pulsar 150 es ug 3 model(was it necessary to change all my switches to install a hid light?)
                                Last edited by gurudeep; 05-02-2017, 02:13 PM.

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