What are you thinking? It may be a high funda thing, in my oppinion it's just a gimmick. No doubt it serve lots of function especailly gizmos like Backlit switchgear, auto cancelling indicators; it makes the whole setup complicated.

It depends. I would always prefer something with the least possible current cosumption. A 90/100W bulb with rewinding would generate lot of heat and should also affect the performance of the bike. For a bike which manages just some odd 35W, 100W is an overkill for sure.

And even 200W without DC is a waste, because on uphill and downhill situations it won't work. Converting to DC is on 100/90 is fairly stupid.

So, I'm happy with my twin HIDs!!

I agree to the lines in bold and your twin HID

Rahul, I slightly differ from ur statement, The BCU makes issues to mods only, else its perfect, the more functions it carries out the more complicated it is. U know in cars there is ECU performs more than this BCU finctions and there too, when it comes to mods its become complicated and a pain too. OEM parts are to be treated like that, its we people try to manipulate the things to work the gadgets to our own way and makes that complicated. As a mini computer its got specific checks for each and very function and every time it verifies the integrity of the system and try to cut the power to that particular point if anything sense wrong. It should be like that, as a DC bike, u wont get enough time to cut off the power if something went wrong, there the BCU takes the credit to save ur harness or what ever.

We need a by pass for this thats what we need to work out, like I said earlier in cars there's a warning cancellor accessory for HID conversion kits else, the same case will happen. I dont know how it works but its tackling the situation nicely. We need such kind of thing to tackle this smart box

You have done what best you can do to your bike.. & I have done the best what my bike can take

if I wanted to do DC, I would have to spend another 2k... so Ultimately I have better than stock but not the best ( like your twin HID)

anyhow I am yet to check to HID's on Highway.. who knows I might get Impressed their..

I would have agreed with you whole heartedly, after all I like gizmos But in reality even for a normal biker, who is not like you and me.. ie: no DIY mods. BCU malfunction can be very frustrating. In my case, it was a small thing, my low beam was continuously glowing, had to change the BCU for 1300 bucks in my 180UG3. In my friend's case his left indicator stopped functioning, thanks to BCU! In some cases, bike won't crank, just one beam will not work, horn wo'nt honk and as such.

Just imagine, at 13000 ft in Sarchu, your BCU malfunctions, and your bike's spark plug is not getting enough spark,. In normal bikes, you can still manage to get a new ignition coil may be from some other bike, but in Pulsars if BCU malfunctions you can't repair it, only replace it. It's a sealed unit.

ECU, even in bikes is thus questionable. Every gizmo is fine, but we need at least 90% reliability, for such critical components. In cars, I'm yet see a ECU malfunctioning.



Let's head to the Highway one day, my HID's just may inspire you.

Any electronic componet can bust at any time, no one can gurantee this, it is something related to other things like heat, humidity, mishandling etc. Like anyother new gadget, this one also have some bugs and its getting reported very few nowadays. Software gaint MS failed many times packed fully with bugs with Windows on new ver launches but rectified on later versions. Take Ford Ikon and Tata Indica, first ver was utter flop but the later versions onwards its a proven car. Take the all new Nano, we took a test drive for 10mins and after examining and admiring the body one of my friend had kept his shoes on the back bumber where the engine sits, but something surprised us and the company too. My friend had a WL brand new shoe with a lot of spikes and the spikes made a clear mould on the bumber which was soft as a fresh bun, due to the engine heat. The same was reported to the company and they've started clear the issue.

If u had a bitter experience with the BCU, then why did u selected the P220 knowingly? So you also had a belief that it would've tackled by now right?. And how many breakdowns u got from P220? I can bet it will be less than the old one. So personaly I wont agree with that introduction but for a lay man, its good for the bike.

As for the car ECU, mostly almost everyone have a technology partner and I hope thats why its less heard, but there are, search for the net, u'll get enough examples Whereas Bajaj dont've any tech partner for bikes except for SBKs coming AFAIK, may be thats one of the reason.

Offtopic feed back of Nano,'s having two different tyre sizes on front and back with one size stepiney. Imagine u got a tyre swap with diff size on the other end? I cant imagine the logic of it, and what about the tyre rotation? without that, life of tyre will be another question. Hope Ratan Tata've an answer to this

[QUOTE=sajjt;357899]Any electronic componet can bust at any time, no one can gurantee this, it is something related to other things like heat, humidity, mishandling etc. Like anyother new gadget, this one also have some bugs and its getting reported very few nowadays. Software gaint MS failed many times packed fully with bugs with Windows on new ver launches but rectified on later versions. Take Ford Ikon and Tata Indica, first ver was utter flop but the later versions onwards its a proven car. Take the all new Nano, we took a test drive for 10mins and after examining and admiring the body one of my friend had kept his shoes on the back bumber where the engine sits, but something surprised us and the company too. My friend had a WL brand new shoe with a lot of spikes and the spikes made a clear mould on the bumber which was soft as a fresh bun, due to the engine heat. The same was reported to the company and they've started clear the issue.}]


well,i have to say something here.
The bcu in bajaj bikes are totally new and next version of products from sep 09 onwards.the bajaj service engineer who came from delhi few days back told me that.he also added some info that the newer generation bcu units are far more robust and trust worthy,the company who produce these are now same who supply ecu s and spark controller units to fiat india.previously there was the problem of bcu s controlling chip for indian dusty and moist condition,although it was sealed but the seal was not good enough.also,he told that bajaj uses multiple phase alternator for production of electricity and the one phase which is supplying the cdi unit is using the same ground as the dc 12 volt battery.this ac+dc system led to some backflow of current which creates problem to bcu s which was a single phase compatible unit.what he meant to say that the previous bcu s were not purpose built for the bikes.but now all this problems are solved and the bcu which is now coming with the bikes are entirely different bread of bcu s,so it failure rate is very low,.

also the nano is having two sets of tyres because of a reason.
as the engine is mounted in its back ,so its driving dynamics are entirely different.now if the car takes a turn very heard then the rear of the car pulls out of the line as there is extra load of the engine resulting too much turning of the face of the car,this phenomena called the OVER-STEER. normal day drivers,who are not familiar with this can result to disaster.prettymuch all regular cars have front mouted engines which are more or less react the opposite way when we take a quick turn,its called under-steer.

to rectify the oversteer problem as the tata engineers thought that most of tata nano s driver will be the first car owners and amature driving habits,they played a safe bet and tuned the car in such a way that the car can UNDERsteer not OVERsteer.
there are manyways how we can achieve this but the easiest is fat tyre at rear which grips more and skinny tyre at front which grips less /.now while taking turn the rear Tyre grips more while the front tyre loose a amount of grip resulting well controlled understeer.
in case of a puncture u can use stepny which may not be the same size but u can limp back to ur nearest repair shop.
only exchange rotation from left to right and right to left is possible in this car.

[QUOTE=drvmtm;357922]I of course trust, Bajaj to sort our problems in later models. The BCU was and is being made by Minda. But my point is simple. What's the benefit?

My contact-less switch gear gave away, my led tail lamps gave away. Aren't contact less switch gear introduced to increase, switches life? Ditto with tail lights, what's the point of having leds if they conk off sooner than bulbs, and are 200 times costlier. The questions if fanciness over practicality. Even better bikes, don't have gizmos like, back lit switch gear. It looks good, but do we need them that badly!

All of the current system of Pulsar can be accommodated without a BCU. Nevertheless I don't doubt it's a good addition and VFM, but I pity for the people who had to pay from their pockets, who bought the initial lots of the vehicle.

I have to agree with you here. For something with so much complexity, the BCU has very little "useful" functionality to show for it.

[QUOTE=rahuldevnath;358155]I've to agree with you from your point of view Rahul I'vent fiddled with a BCU more than once or twice with my friends bikes. but for them its a trouble free one from the day one they bought it, ofcourse, they all r new less than 1.5 yrs old and me too so much facinated by the capabilities of this hifi thing. Rahul the listed issues r with ur P220 or the old 200?

[QUOTE=sajjt;358691]All the listed issues were with my P180UG3, touch wood, no problem with my 220 as of now, apart from dropping FE. Heck my 220 is just 8K old!

Anyway we all have our experiences and so we make our opinion. Haven't we gone absolutely OT in this thread.

so whats the verdict?

Koi shak !!! I almost slept half way reading this thread and stopped reading as I don't ve junjat of faltu BCU

Yes, yes.. where's HUSTLA13

Ya Right..

Its very old thumbrule in purchasing a new vehicle launch, be patient, wait for the ownership feed backs, and closely observe the company rectifies it or not, and then decide. Dont be an early bird atleast in automotive purchase affair.


Shree its not fair to take nap in between If u dont've the "&*# ECU", keep ur nose secured Not all bikes are blessed with these types of hifunda gizmos so dont be jealous