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  • Afaik-in bikes the high beam and low beam are coming in two diff wires,and other one is negative.in a h4 bulb when we put low beam the low beam wire is active and when we put high beam the high beam wire is active.now if you put high beam wire to both lamps ,fine both will work but in low bem also connected to hid na?so in low beam also both will work?

    also 17 volts is kinda high,dont you guys think?also nano,you said before @4 k rpm u r gettin 3 amps,but bro that is low because the hid is pullin 3.5-3.8.
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    • Originally posted by drvmtm View Post
      Afaik-in bikes the high beam and low beam are coming in two diff wires,and other one is negative.in a h4 bulb when we put low beam the low beam wire is active and when we put high beam the high beam wire is active.now if you put high beam wire to both lamps ,fine both will work but in low bem also connected to hid na?so in low beam also both will work?

      also 17 volts is kinda high,dont you guys think?also nano,you said before @4 k rpm u r gettin 3 amps,but bro that is low because the hid is pullin 3.5-3.8.
      no when you put the light on high beam only both willl work but when you put them on low beam the high beam wont work....
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      • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
        no when you put the light on high beam only both willl work but when you put them on low beam the high beam wont work....
        that is my question.how it is achieved?nano is using a single beam projector as far as i know.please enlighten me.
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        • Originally posted by drvmtm View Post
          that is my question.how it is achieved?nano is using a single beam projector as far as i know.please enlighten me.
          it depends on your projector whether you can use both the beams or not....
          you can put the projector on high beam and the hid on low so when you hit the high beam both will be on and when you want to use the hid you can use the low beam. at the same time the projector will be on the pass switch...
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          • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
            it depends on your projector whether you can use both the beams or not....
            you can put the projector on high beam and the hid on low so when you hit the high beam both will be on and when you want to use the hid you can use the low beam. at the same time the projector will be on the pass switch...
            .

            mate,nano is using a single beam projector with h3 hid bulb+another reflector of p 220, h7 halogen bulb.
            the projector in connected to the low beam and the halogen to high beam.

            i really got confused here
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            • Dr. Sir a Diode will solve ur problem as it allows only one way current.

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              • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                i went to the battery dealer toady....

                the first thing i did was take his voltmeter and check the current battery (spare one which he gave) it showed 12.96 volts, pretty healthy as yesterday it showed 12.3
                so it means that my bike does charge an amaron 9 amp

                he brought my battery, from charging and yes this time it was the owner who was talking to me,
                not those uneducated employees of his, he was very polite and understanding, he was saying that if you are not happy with it even now after checking it here yourself, I'll give you a new battery no questions asked right away....

                i think all that growling yesterday made him turn into that, he was not there yesterday....
                his employees must have told him.

                it was the same batt, i did check the serial number, after putting it up it showed 13.5
                its alright so far, i tried checking with starting the bike and wow, it reached 13.8---14----14.6-----15-----15.9-----16.4----17.2.......
                until redline....

                i double checked, triple checked, it showed similar readings, well i was still a bit in doubt so i removed my own digital multimeter and checked, again these good readings...

                so i was satisfied and the dealer said that amaron are best in class and these problems don't happen with us, if you face any issues with this, call me on my cell, he gave me his card...
                i asked him the reason and he said that if battery is kept for long, it does tend to behave like this.

                i came home,
                i tried it again and this time it showed similar readings, only that before without engine on, it showed 13.5 now it showed 12.9 but as soon as i started the bike, good readings..


                i went for a ride and tried low beam, high beam all together with horn and an indicator glowing also the brake pressed a bit to turn brake light on to see weather it takes all the load...

                i tried it 3-4 times and the high beam finally glew to full intensity, however it wasn't dark on road, just thick clouds, still beam was clearly visible...

                i stayed on low as it was quite heavy rain and here its a tradition to keep the headlights on in rains no matter how bright it is, quite good though...

                guess what,,,,
                once i switched to high, the low beam turned off......
                dammm

                same thing happened again, but yes this time the bulb did glow to full intensity, and yes the hid also took lesser time to turn yellow than usual...

                if i switch high beam once and twice it works well but if i do it frequently, as flashing this thing happens..

                i checked the amps too, same 6-7 amps at higher rpms and 2-4 amps at below 5000 rpm....

                since I've attached the low beam wire to high beam too to keep it always on, can that be an issue???
                coil is healthy, amps are healthy, batt is healthy, bulbs are glowing to full intensity then too this happens, and yes if i do more than 2 to 3 high beam flashes only....

                should i change to 35w high beam h7 ????
                At the outset let me tell u the batt should be faulty else it wont give this much voltage upto 17. Check the voltage with ur puny batt once again in higher rpms. If the RR is good the voltage should not exceed 14.5V max. U may blew the bulbs at this voltage. So check that first with any other batt shop and confirm it and get a batt replacement. He must've forced the batt to charge for long hrs and made this voltage, any voltage drop in idle? I think its not holding the charge 13.5 to 12.9?

                Well day we dont've DRL (Day Running Lights) in any of the vehicles here except some prem laxury cars like BMW, Audi etc. Its good for better visibility, Europeans'd already adopted this system years back. In Cochin, they are thinking of it to put it on as mandatory even if its not raining.

                Can u explain it bit more elaborated, if u switch to HB, the HID is getting off, and if u do it continously it takes less time to glow again. Am I right? I think while u switch between the beams there's a power failure happening. If u do it frequently HID takes less time to stabilize since its already heat. Am I wrong?

                Also check for the amps reading at avg rpms like 3-4K, it should be around 4A, then it wont be a problem for power shortage.

                Try to wire like this, take a tapping from the headlight main switch out to HID, then wire the HB as usual HB wire. So u'll get the HID will be always on once u hit the main h/l switch. Its the flash switch mechanism prevents both the beams glowing simultaneously. Thats why I told u to study the switch gear assy contacts. In every bike its happening, a minor wire mod is required and I've done the same. I hope this will settle ur issue.


                Originally posted by drvmtm View Post
                Afaik-in bikes the high beam and low beam are coming in two diff wires,and other one is negative.in a h4 bulb when we put low beam the low beam wire is active and when we put high beam the high beam wire is active.now if you put high beam wire to both lamps ,fine both will work but in low bem also connected to hid na?so in low beam also both will work?

                also 17 volts is kinda high,dont you guys think?also nano,you said before @4 k rpm u r gettin 3 amps,but bro that is low because the hid is pullin 3.5-3.8.
                I second that. Batt must be faulty I think. HID will take around 3.5A but that can be compensated from the batt in low rpms.

                Hey I like the new confused pic That was too good to convey. How about this?



                Or this?



                Sorry guys for being off topic but couldnt resist posting this. Have a break before u break into a nut.
                Do it Yourself, what so ever, if Possible
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                After Market HID Projector Mod for Pulsar 150
                Flasher Enabled Head Light Flash for Just Rs.1/-

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                • i know 17 volts is kinda high, but its okay, if it fries my battery I'll get it replaced...

                  that's right i've connected the low beam wire to high beam..

                  let me stay corrected..
                  there are 3 wires from headlight switch...
                  1 yellow & red
                  2 black
                  3 yellow

                  yellow and red is low beam wire
                  yellow is high beam wire
                  and black is ground...

                  both the yellow & red, and yellow wires are +ve
                  the black wire is negative...

                  what normally happens is that when you hit low beam, the ground remains constant and the yellow & red wire of low beam gets current..
                  similarly when you hit high beam the yellow wire of high beam gets current...
                  both these wires get +ve current

                  but in this process the low beam wire does not get current when high beam is selected..
                  so what i did was that I've connected the high beam wire to this low beam wire too, so that when you hit the high beam switch, current goes to both of these wires.
                  keeping both of these on, while if low beam is selected only low beam wire remains on...

                  got it !

                  and yes diode ??
                  can someone throw light in detail as what should i do to prevent this ???
                  Giving a lot to a fiero.
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                  • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                    i know 17 volts is kinda high, but its okay, if it fries my battery I'll get it replaced...

                    that's right i've connected the low beam wire to high beam..

                    let me stay corrected..
                    there are 3 wires from headlight switch...
                    1 yellow & red
                    2 black
                    3 yellow

                    yellow and red is low beam wire

                    yellow is high beam wire
                    and black is ground...

                    both the yellow & red, and yellow wires are +ve

                    the black wire is negative...

                    what normally happens is that when you hit low beam, the ground remains constant and the yellow & red wire of low beam gets current..

                    similarly when you hit high beam the yellow wire of high beam gets current...
                    both these wires get +ve current

                    but in this process the low beam wire does not get current when high beam is selected..

                    so what i did was that I've connected the high beam wire to this low beam wire too, so that when you hit the high beam switch, current goes to both of these wires.
                    keeping both of these on, while if low beam is selected only low beam wire remains on...

                    got it !

                    and yes diode ??
                    can someone throw light in detail as what should i do to prevent this ???

                    Pls tell us this literature was meant for whom?

                    Beam selection switch is just a 2 way switch, only one beam will be lighted at any point. If u need to tackle this, either u can use a IN4001 diode or the other method I've posted earlier. But flashing again wire mod is required as its cutting the low beam power and bypassing it to HB hence the power cut to HID.
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                    After Market HID Projector Mod for Pulsar 150
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                    • since doc was getting confused and even to solve the high beam low beam confusion by others i've posted that literature
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                      • @ sajit
                        Can u explain it bit more elaborated, if u switch to HB, the HID is getting off, and if u do it continously it takes less time to glow again. Am I right? I think while u switch between the beams there's a power failure happening. If u do it frequently HID takes less time to stabilize since its already heat. Am I wrong?
                        no
                        if i switch to high beam, both work wonderfully, but if i do it very frequently, the low beam goes off.
                        time taken by hid to glow is good from the time I've charged the battery until now.




                        forget all the here's come the deadliest part....
                        guys i have a problem here.....
                        my battery is dead...
                        yup, D E A D
                        my horn doesn't work at all, forget horn, my neutral light doesn't work too..
                        all i did was ride slow, for 20-30 minutes, slow means very slow hardly 20-30 kmph. With both the lights ON

                        since it was very late at night and all the watchmen and dogs under my building are sleeping, i didn't go down with a DMM to check the voltages, neither did i revv the bike to see if it glows at-least the neutral bulb..

                        not again ..............

                        i think i need to do coil rewinding again as doc said 12 feet per pole..

                        any other suggestions, its just been almost 24 hours since i fully charged the battery, i hardly used low beam for 1/2 an hour at highway at speeds and both here now at slow speed for 20 mins
                        Last edited by NANOtechnology; 07-24-2010, 01:47 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                          @ sajit


                          no
                          if i switch to high beam, both work wonderfully, but if i do it very frequently, the low beam goes off.
                          time taken by hid to glow is good from the time I've charged the battery until now.




                          forget all the here's come the deadliest part....
                          guys i have a problem here.....
                          my battery is dead...
                          yup, D E A D
                          my horn doesn't work at all, forget horn, my neutral light doesn't work too..
                          all i did was ride slow, for 20-30 minutes, slow means very slow hardly 20-30 kmph. With both the lights ON

                          since it was very late at night and all the watchmen and dogs under my building are sleeping, i didn't go down with a DMM to check the voltages, neither did i revv the bike to see if it glows at-least the neutral bulb..

                          not again ..............

                          i think i need to do coil rewinding again as doc said 12 feet per pole..

                          any other suggestions, its just been almost 24 hours since i fully charged the battery, i hardly used low beam for 1/2 an hour at highway at speeds and both here now at slow speed for 20 mins
                          Replace the battery first.

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                          • hello guys has anyone use projector lamp in yamaha r15 without rewinding
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                            • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                              forget all the here's come the deadliest part....
                              guys i have a problem here.....
                              my battery is dead...
                              yup, D E A D
                              my horn doesn't work at all, forget horn, my neutral light doesn't work too..
                              all i did was ride slow, for 20-30 minutes, slow means very slow hardly 20-30 kmph. With both the lights ON

                              since it was very late at night and all the watchmen and dogs under my building are sleeping, i didn't go down with a DMM to check the voltages, neither did i revv the bike to see if it glows at-least the neutral bulb..

                              not again ..............

                              i think i need to do coil rewinding again as doc said 12 feet per pole..

                              any other suggestions, its just been almost 24 hours since i fully charged the battery, i hardly used low beam for 1/2 an hour at highway at speeds and both here now at slow speed for 20 mins
                              As we were saying 17V is kind of too high for any battery to take. It should be below 15V at ALL rpms. You seem to have done the RR unit connections wrong. If you can tell us how you have done the wiring, we can help. Don't go on replacing batteries. IMO, it is NOT a battery problem or coil winding problem.
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                              • Slightly OT: but how much should the output voltage on the headlight line be from a stock avenger coil and a stock P180's RR??

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