I would bend the bike side ways manytimes and allow draining for prolonged periods, till the last drop. With this method, I was able to drain more than a liter many times.

I always pour 1 liter and the level would be within the mark.

Strange that you are able to drain 1 L that way! But then another problem will arise - most oil bottles these days are 900 ml. At least HH oils, Gulf Pride and Elf are... so you would need to open and manually measure 100 ml from another botttle! Thats too much time and effort...

i checked the oil level on the dipstick 200kms before changing,it was little low only little.u have to strain ur eyes to see the diff..so i wasnt expecting 250ml of less oil AFTER 200KMS OF HIGHWAY RIDING.

I too lean the bike when changing the oil.Is the oil getting burned NORMAL
ok got the point u put 900ml and u should get 900ml.

TAHNKS guys for the advice i will get that compression thing checked hope the mech knows whats this compression thing is.

Guys should i drain the oil and check again cause i have covered around 160kms on the new oil.

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20w40 oils are mostly available in 1L cans. even the gulf pride 4t Plus has a 1L can apart from 900 ml can. he uses them. Or, even better, ge gets it serviced at the authorized service center and what ever the case makes sure they fill oil to the required level they use large containers so no issues

run it for at least 1000 to 1500 kms. keep checking the oil level every now & then and decide on the change when u find it going 1.5 to 2 marks lower on the dipstick.

Do you think that I am using 900ml bottles without looking at it? I will make sure I am using 1L bottles. I fill 10W30 oil from HH service station. I will make sure they are filling to the required level whether it is .9L or 1L or 1.2L.

You can get 10W30 oil in 1L cans too. As said by KP, all 20W40 oils generally are avialable in 1L bottles.

Hmm... I didnt know you get 1 L bottles also (when 900 ml is available). Are you saying you get HH oil bottles in 1 L also?? Never seen or heard...

And btw, filling "loose" oil... ie. oil that the service centre gives you is definitely not a good idea! Not unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure what they are giving you (which I dont think u can be). Don't be fooled into thinking that it is HH oil, to begin with!! And I speak from experience.

Sarban, I dont think its worth the trouble to drain the oil to measure it just yet. Also there is possibility of contamination when you do that. I'd suggest you keep an eye on the level with the dipstick and measure the oil when you change it next.

HH authorized service stations do not stock any other engine oils. They get only from Idemitsu in big cans. I will make sure they pour it from that can the required quantity.

There will be regular checks by higher officials from HH. Nobody dares stocking any other engine oils. May be, the service guys may not fill the required quantity, but they fill only the oil supplied by management. Management will not dare to meddle up with the engine oil. And, I do not think HH service stations are that bad.

hydbykr and raccon:Roger that.
i spoke to a motul official he said he has 10W 30 oil but only in barrels.he said service center people only buy this barrels.even i would recommend u not to let the service center guys change the oil unless u know someone their u trust completely

Since over an year HH oil is available from BPCL (MAK) also. Many of the barrels service centers get now a days are Mak and not idemitsu... check that thing too

Haven't seen a HH oil in 1L can yet. Either the new 10w30 or the old 20w40. ALso, haven't het seen a 10w30 oil in 1L can.

That is news. I have seen Motul 3000 4T oil in 40 or 50 liter can at Yamaha service center when the YamaLube supply was low. But that was 20w40.

Dude, as I said - I speak from experience.

I have mentioned this before, but lemme repeat in brief-

The service centre of my dealer ( United Agencies, Paud Road, Pune ) is located in my area. It is called Automark Motors. I gave my bike for the 1st free service there. I asked them what oil they used. I got roundabout and evasive answers. That made me more suspicious and I insisted on seeing this oil. What I found were barrels of MAK (BPCL) oil of viscocity of 20W40. The supervisor also verbally confirmed that they were using MAK 20W40 and insisted that this oil would be perfect for my bike and all Hero Hondas! Now I dont know what actually was in that barrel... it could have been any oil or even adulterated oil put into MAK barrels! But the verbal admission by the supervisor (reluctantly) is also to be considered!!

They were filling up ALL the Hero Hondas there with the oil from this barrel. What is more, they were even trying to peddle Bardhal's (snake) oil additive. It was quite clear that most customers dunno zilch about their vehicles and blindly trust the service centre and put in all this goooo into their poor bikes!!

I had complained about this to the Hero Honda head office when I had called them for some other reason. After that I even brought this to the notice of the Company Service Engg in this area. He promised to look into it. Till date I have not heard of anything from them... and as far as I know, this practice continues till date.

What is more, they dont stock the Hero Honda oil at all! So if some crazy customer like me insists on it, he has to source it from somewhere else, with difficulty. And after that, they will even try to scare you with warranty issues! Warranty issues about using thier own (HH recommended) oil, imagine that?!

So if you think all Hero Honda ASS are using what they should be using in your bikes, then you are living in fool's paradise. They are more intrested in their profits... not your vehicle! And nobody is checking anything while they are going about it.

And btw, this is just about the oil. I could write a few pages about the level of service too. In short, its not just "that bad", its INCREDIBLY AWFUL!!!

Mmmm... Do not want to hijack the thread, but one last thing regarding this. There may be a few out of lot, but most of the big authorized stations stock only what company recommends, and I believe many of them are good. I think, as said by KP, these days the company is accepting MAK oil from BP. That might be the reason you have not got any reply from HH.

I have gone to many Authorized Service Stations in Hyderabad and I found them to be good. They would allow you to come in to the Service area and you can see what the service guys are doing. I found them to be using the big cans from Idemitsu 10w30 oil, with 900ml cans to refill. I have even seen officials checking the service centers.

There is nothing for me to say if you doubt that they are using adultrated engine oil. I have never got any problem with my Karizma after giving for service. Initial days of my bike, I have never checked what they were puring, but my bike was always good. As you well know, what an adultrated engine oil would cause to the engine.

There may be few service stations that are bad, but not most of them.

Based on one bad experiance, you are suspecting the entire HH Service. Most of the times, I have very good experience with them here. I am not living in any fool's paradise to believe that HH service stations are bad because of one incident. I am in the real world and I have seen things with my eye. I am talking based on my experience with many HH service stations.

It is possible that HH service differs in different areas. It may also be that other service centres in Poona are better. But I must say I have not seen ANY service centre as bad as the one I briefly described. My experience was so bad that after the 1st service I have been too scared to give my bike anywhere. I have only changed the oil on time. As my running is very low... I can get away with it. Next time I give my bike, I'm gonna give it only if I can stand there and watch the job being done. Cant trust them with anything...

And btw, you have mixed up what Hyd Biker said. What he ment was the HH specific oil made by BPCL. What I mentioned was normal MAK 20W40 oil which is NOT recommened by HH as it meets neither the viscosity requirement nor the min API grade! The only reason why these guys use it is because its a cheap low grade brand... and they must be buying it in wholesale. And they sell it for more than a sealed bottle of HH oil! On top of that, they even try to sell you the Bardhal thing as the last straw. So max profit all ways!! They most certainly wont make the same profit if they start selling sealed HH oil bottles.

And btw, its not just Automark Motors, but at least one more dealer is not using the company recommended oil - Singh Cycle & Motor Co. When I called them, they said they dont stock any HH oil bottles. They only have barrels from which they directly fill up all bikes. When asked what brand of oil is in the barrels, I was told they dont know!!

And btw, the effects of adulterated oil may not be immediately visible on the engine. They could for eg. just mix some old oil with new... and you wont be able to tell the difference! But your engine life will suffer in the long run.

I'm not saying they actually do this as I dont have any proof. But after what I'v seen, I believe anything is possible.

I agree that there are some bad service centers. It is your badluck that you have gone to that service station. Go to any big authorized service centers; they will have seperate cabins for customers and from there you can see what actually they are doing.

In authorized service centers, they do not use cans. They would get only barrels of oil. They use only this. Some HH centers here have the provision of separate pipe system which carries the oil directly to the service ramps.

It is true that most of the mechanics there do not know what oil brand they are filling.

If you are in doubt, ask them to fill the engine oil in the presence of you and insist on that.

Regarding the long-run effects of adultrated oil, my mechanic opened the engine of my bike and it is just like new; so no worries. Everytime you fill engine oil from service station, just check for the viscosity and thickness and color later. This way you can ensure things are right and live in peace.

my second service was done on this BIG VERY BIG service center in kanchipuram(TN).the bike lost its soul to say the least after these guys "serviced" the bike.they poured in some crap oil may be it was cow piss
the bike struggled to reach 95km/hr the sound was horrible .I immediately
took it to my small service center near my village and get my mech. err... doc do some emergency surgery and he changed the cow piss with a sealed HH bp CRAP oil.My bike regained its soul.

@ravi u r correct their r some service enter out their that do a good job.
after seeing this BIG service center R#$@ing my bike.i wont even try to find
the good ones.their is a saying in my place it goes like this:
"nalla mattukku oru soodu" means a good cow needs to be punished only once