have u got the timing adjusted then chances are the mech might have not tightened the screw properly.

Well, that's what I meant in my earlier post!

Would you please get a scan or photo of that page... If possible from both the Unicorn & CBZ X's manuals... A PM would be great. Thanks

no probs will pm u unicorns manual page as soon as possible.

That'd be great... Thanks

I dunno about you, but I'd stick by the book. Btw, HH does NOT recommend changing oil viscosities according to ambient temperatures. You are supposed to stick to 10W30 only. And there must be a good reason for it. Usually when such a thin oil is recommended, it means the clearances are very tight/close. A thicker oil could mean insufficient lubrication. Also there is the issue of viscous drag. Anyway, the maker knows his machine best. We can only speculate... unless we know every detail which has gone into the recommendation.

Something hasn't been tightened right or an oil seal is leaking. If its an oil seal, its surprising, as your bike is quite new. Anyways, you should get it looked into with urgency... esp. if the oil level is declining fast.

ok taking my bike to the SC tomorrow.iI will also tell him to check the compression thinglets see what happens.
@hydbykr their is no mention of what oil(grade) to use in diff. ambient temps.it just says to use HH 4t plus

the main stand is fully covered in BLACK oily stuff.i also found 1\2 teaspoon of the oily stuff under the bike.checked the oil level its barely above the min. mark level

The same HH is using the 10w30 oil for all the old vehicles which required 20w40 according the manuals. Even my karizma's manual says to use 20w40, but all HH service stations are using 10w30 without any issues.

Friend, I am not posting this to gain upper hand here. Also, no sarcasm. Just think of what I am telling you below -

Yes, the maker knows his machine best.

Honda knows the Unicorn machine best. They recommend 20W40 oil. Same engines used in Xtreme, Hunk (yes, there's a minor difference at the Crank, they say) and Acheiver (what's the difference here?). Older manuals of Xtreme & Acheiver recommended 20W40 oil. Now all three bikes (and two engines) are recommended to use 10W30 oil.

The old CBZ, Ambition, ZMA are on the same engine block and come with 20W40 oil recommended. How on the earth did it magically change over to 10W30 now? Same is the case with the CD 100 engine block that is used in every other HH bike with some modifications.

The Activa uses the Honda 20W40 oil. Exactly the same engine in Pleasure - HH recommends 10W30? (I need a confirmation on this... but having seen no 20W40 oil branded HH, I assume this)

Now, here's the point. Technological development in engine oils (go through the past 10 years of oil recommendation pattern by the manufacturers in the USA) is ensuring that 10W30 oils can give lesser friction and able to manage heat almost as good as 20W40 oils. Also, the oil HH has got now is recommended to drain at 6K KMs. All this is a benefit in one way - saving engine oil costs and getting better mileage...

Well, I can speak more on this and give references and fill pages... but is that going to be a lot more useful that what I now did? would it be worth my effort?

^^^I have thought about all the points you have mentioned. But fact is there are so many factors involved. You are saying several Honda/Hero Honda machines are same. Are you absolutely sure of this? Have you opened them and checked the dimensions, etc? Have you double checked that the materials/metals/etc used are exactly the same? At least I haven't. And I kinda suspect the people saying these that they are the same might not have looked real deep themselves. Anyway, I can't be sure about that... it may be there are right. All I know is I'd rather believe the manual than these people and rumours.

Again, the same thing about Karizma. It is indeed strange about the change in the oil viscocity recommendation. But again we do NOT know all the details (at least I don't, and I'v not met any person/supervisor/etc. or read anything that gives a remotely convincing reply. For eg., who knows, maybe some of the materials they use in the old and new Karizma are different... even if the design is same. And Hero Honda is not telling us anything.

There is also another factor here. Companies usually keep something standard whenever possible. What I mean to say is... for eg. Maruti uses the same transmission oil for all its vehicles. You can think of many similar examples. Why? Often other factors like convenience, logistics, economics, etc take precedence. Its its highly unlikely that you will ever find Hero Honda (or any other company) using 2 different products for the same application. In this case they are v unlikely to use 2 different engine oils for their bikes... even tho that might be the best thing to do. In this case, what I would do, if I had a Karizma is to use 20W40 if I had the old one, and 10W30 if I had the new one. Unless the company issues a bulletin or something explaining why I should now use the newer oil for my old bike. I very well know I may or may not be right here... but this seems to me the most rational, informed and safest decision to take.

One more issue is there - it is very likely that the 10W30 is more efficient and also more economical. And I know that you know why, so I wont elaborate. And I for one would always like my machines to perform at their peak. Anything less than that is not acceptable. One more reason to use 10W30 oil... esp. when its specifically and exclusively recommended.

As for Hero Honda not having a 20W40 oil, its not true. I have personally seen HH 20W40 oil bottles in shops a few months ago. One shopkeeper even tried to convince me to buy the 20W40 HH oil saying it dosen't make any difference (I had asked for 10W30, of course) I guess they will still be available, tho I haven't checked very recently.

One last point - I had spoken with the HH company engineer few months ago regarding a complaint and some other issue. He specifically and empathetically told me not to use anything other than 10W30; esp. for their new vehicles. I had spoken to him for a long time about other issues, and he seemed to be in a hurry... so I did not grill him about the reason.

I have tried to explain the basis of my thinking as simply and briefly as I can and rest my case. Others are free to disagree with it... but it works for me.

ok replaced the front fork oil cost Rs71.this is the oil:




saw this huge barrels of VEEDOL oil :





The mech said the compression thing is ok.told him about the oil leakage
he said he took care of it.no more oil spills i hope.gave elf @ the service center to top-up but the guy changed the oil :


The guys their say to use mobil 0W 40 SOMETHING synthetic OIL they swear by it said it costs Rs900 it would be great for my bike.

black karizma 2008 model 3000km on the odo immaculate condition the seller is asking Rs60000
i can get him down to Rs55000 i think.he is selling this brand new bike reason:
He is getting a R15 IS that a reasonable price??? can i sell my CBZ and get this bike.The mechanic said he would buy my bike for Rs50000 i have done 6732kms.i am getting 39kms/lt on total ripping. below 80km/hr i am getting 48km/lt.

That is great oil but not for bikes. Be Aware.

Yup, dont use that oil.

If I were you, I'd want to check the compression reading myself... can't trust service centers.

Why sell you new bike and get somebody's old stuff?? Also, the Zma will v likely drink a lot more fuel when you rip it like that. Anyway, thats your personal choice...

SarbonOxley, under 5k rpm (80kmph), karizma will give you around 38-40 kmpl. If you rip around 100 kmph it will give you around 32 kmpl. If you keep above 100kmph all the time it will give you 30 kmpl. If you want to enjoy touring and highspeed cruising, you can go for karizma. Also remember, the spares of karizma are expensive. Generally, you will not get any repairs.

Karizma will not vibrate at higher speeds as other bikes.

Yup, it will drink more and cost more for repairs.

I dunno about other bikes but my CBZ-X does not vibrate per se even at speeds of 100 - 110 (haven't gone above that yet). Somehow some vibes do creep in at speeds around 65 - 70... but they cease once you cross that band. Anyway, my bike has barely done 2,500 km till date. So I guess there is some scope it smoothening out.

Changed my oil to power 1 RACING.i am blown away by this oil.
Man what a pick up it just growls all the way to the red line.i never knew my bike had this kind of power.Its like i am driving a 2 stroke devil.
Did a 240kms to chennai and back wow what a diff...i gave the bike to my dad and told him to rip the shit out of it he did it but half way through the thing he got shit scared.man it just pulls,this sythetic stuff is great
for HIGHWAY riding.all i can say is people should be certified as INSANE to put this oil in say a ZMA i wouldnt even go near that bike.people who do a lot of highway riding should try this oil in their hunk,xtreme,zma
or whatever.