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  • kiran2508
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    Originally posted by Manoj Sivaraman View Post
    NOTE: Some of these images are from other Threads/forums. Some of their information regarding the same was a little misleading. Have compiled all the changes and this post clarifies all.(CREDITS to the respective image owners)
    HOPE THIS HELPS
    I am the OP for these images and I've more detailed all posted info from my RC390 engine rebuilt time, mine was the last kit to be available with older forged ones, it was discontinued from 2021.
    Those changes were discussed with regional KTM head and run pillar to post to source forged pistons last ones available.

    It was a pure cost cutting exercise, new KTM 390's lack what old ones had. You cannot get forged pistons now which is very said, even as a paid spare part!

    Originally posted by kiran2508 View Post

    Yup, it happened long back, new Piston kit came in effective from July 2020. Mine was the last kit made in June 2020 with old price and old forged built quality.

    New one appears to be no longer Forged Piston(attached pics), has KTM India has silently downgraded from aluminum forged to aluminum cast/machined pistons as part of cost cutting? and its no longer imported anymore and made here locally by Indian vendors, hence the ₹5000 price cut.

    Also heard from my mechanic that Nikasil coasting has been removed, not got confirmation on this(still a myth as of now).
    Will be used common across new Husqi 401, 390 ADV, D390, RC390.

    deadlock69 is running the new kit from Sep 2020

    New kit 36JY0251, MRP 8188. deadlock69's kit

    Old kit 36JP0031, MRP 13194. Mine

    New non-forged piston kit, deadlock69's kit
    Old forged piston kit, mine.
    Difference between two old forged vs new non-forged pistons are pretty much clear right from pics.




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  • B7ACKTHORN
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    Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post
    How often do you guys top up engine oil? I have recently found that we have to do that regularly. Also, most SVc are saying losing a little bit of engine oil is normal.
    Manoj has explained perfectly a post above, do have look, it's very helpful for the current gen motorcycles, especially.

    Cheers!
    VJ

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  • Dandamudi Mohan Krishna
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    How often do you guys top up engine oil? I have recently found that we have to do that regularly. Also, most SVc are saying losing a little bit of engine oil is normal.

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  • Manoj Sivaraman
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    For 2017 and 2018 models
    The single channel Bluetooth versions there is a TFT update. It fixes some connectivity issue and clock running fast or slow.

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  • Manoj Sivaraman
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    Hi everyone,

    I'm owning a 2020 OCT gen 1 ADV390.
    Would love to share certain critical stuff I noted with the ADV390/D390, It might get a little technical from here.

    Cylinder kit update...

    So there is this issue of oil burn/consumption across the 390 platform which I wanted to share here for a long time. This is across 390 platforms DUKE/RC/ADV, right from OCT 2020 least that's when I started noticing complaints across owners in India. No matter how sane you keep the throttle. Yes, the oil burn is very evident. When asked at ASC we got a reply that its normal to lose up to 50ml every 1000kms. Which was a case for a 50k clocked bikes.

    So the lame reason given by ASC, that made me think of all possible reasons for some months were:
    i) Possible valve stem seal wear (quality/material change)
    ii) There was a oil wiper rings part update in the past but it was way back in 2015.
    iii) Oil leak from shift shaft oil seal.
    iv) Oil leak from output shaft seals.

    A lil history:
    There was a view that the 390 block piston assy. (OLD CYL assy. PART No. - 36JP0031) is very pricy. At least that's what Indian buyers were ranting about when bike needs a replacement. The cost was approximately under 16000/- INR (i.e - 197USD, 189EUR approx. conversion). For a Liner less NiKaSil Vacuum cast block combined forged piston with a hard anodizing and Grafal coated skirts the pricing is very much relatable. The cylinder block was manufactured in India, but the pistons(OLD PISTON PART No. - JY521214) and rings were done at ELKO Konig, Austria (https://www.elko-koenig.com/porducts/pistons/?lang=en) . So all the import cost and taxes made the piston prices to increase.
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    OLD part number and MRP
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    GREY colored hard anodized forged piston.

    Now the Actual reason:
    KTM updated the cylinder kit I guess from October 2020 or something to (UPDATED CYL assy. PART No. - 36JY0251). approx. price was 8200/- (i.e - 101 USD, 97EUR).
    Now this kit comes with a localized made in India pistons Sriram Pistons (https://shrirampistons.com/). (NEW PISTON PART No. JY521223). This is also a forged unit but it lost the hard anodization on the surface, different metallurgy even.

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    NEW PART NUMBER
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    SILVER COLORED Non Anodized Pistons.

    The new one comes with the corrugated oil scrapper ring spacer and two thin scraper rings VS The old one came with spring wire, spring behind the single piece oil scraper ring.
    This change right outta the box was shitty and every bike has this oil consumption issue which KTM says its very normal which is BS in my opinion.

    So if someone faces this issue try to find the old piston assy. and swap it out. You'll not have this issue of topping up frequently or wearing the engine by running dry.

    NOTE: Some of these images are from other Threads/forums. Some of their information regarding the same was a little misleading. Have compiled all the changes and this post clarifies all.(CREDITS to the respective image owners)
    HOPE THIS HELPS
    Last edited by Manoj Sivaraman; 12-01-2022, 05:46 PM.

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  • B7ACKTHORN
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    Originally posted by ksuresh92 View Post

    Thanks VJ.

    Unfortunately just saw the reply and i have changed to brass coated rolon chain 15/45T few days back.

    My observation with the new sprocket ratio is that the talller nature of the 5th and 6th gear have been reduced. Now the bike runs 5 to 6 kms speed lesser than the stock chain at same rpm.

    Lesser jerking , better torque spread acorss gears and responsive 6th gear under 100 kmph @ 6k rpm with this spec and i feel itd the best compared to stock
    As I said, the stock ones are Rolon indeed, so a brass coated one from Rolon shouldn't be anything less of a quality, plus it adds to brass bling.

    Cheers!
    VJ

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  • ksuresh92
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    Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

    The factory OEM that KTM uses is provided by Rolon. Rolon brass is nothing but a stock chain, except that the plates are of brass coated. RK seems to be company from Japan and if you don't mind the Rs. 1000 deficit, you can perhaps try the RK considering it's an X ring one as per its spec sheet. I would recommend RK purely for the Japanese name tag and the X ring. Good luck.

    Cheers!
    VJ
    Thanks VJ.

    Unfortunately just saw the reply and i have changed to brass coated rolon chain 15/45T few days back.

    My observation with the new sprocket ratio is that the talller nature of the 5th and 6th gear have been reduced. Now the bike runs 5 to 6 kms speed lesser than the stock chain at same rpm.

    Lesser jerking , better torque spread acorss gears and responsive 6th gear under 100 kmph @ 6k rpm with this spec and i feel itd the best compared to stock




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  • B7ACKTHORN
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    Originally posted by ksuresh92 View Post
    Hi all!

    My 2018 Duke 390 have clocked 25k kms on stock chain sprocket. On the last ride, it was making considerable noise and i realized that the time has come for sprocket replacement.

    Now, with multiple options for chain sprocket, the rolon brass 15/45T , rolon ktm stock chain sprocket , RK XW brass kit , i am unable to conclude what makes a perfect combo of performance and longetivity.

    With my riding style and maintainance, the stock sprocket lasted this long. Please guide me on choosing the right set.

    i am looking for good performance with decent maintainace.

    TIA
    The factory OEM that KTM uses is provided by Rolon. Rolon brass is nothing but a stock chain, except that the plates are of brass coated. RK seems to be company from Japan and if you don't mind the Rs. 1000 deficit, you can perhaps try the RK considering it's an X ring one as per its spec sheet. I would recommend RK purely for the Japanese name tag and the X ring. Good luck.

    Cheers!
    VJ

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  • ksuresh92
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    Hi all!

    My 2018 Duke 390 have clocked 25k kms on stock chain sprocket. On the last ride, it was making considerable noise and i realized that the time has come for sprocket replacement.

    Now, with multiple options for chain sprocket, the rolon brass 15/45T , rolon ktm stock chain sprocket , RK XW brass kit , i am unable to conclude what makes a perfect combo of performance and longetivity.

    With my riding style and maintainance, the stock sprocket lasted this long. Please guide me on choosing the right set.

    i am looking for good performance with decent maintainace.

    TIA

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  • B7ACKTHORN
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    Originally posted by biker_sac View Post
    When you are going to replace the tyre, never let them mount the wheel on the machine with the brake disc facing down. Or better, just remove the disc and give. Otherwise, you will end up with a bend disc.

    I recently replaced my tyre and the tyre changing guy did exactly this and bent the front disc.

    So, i gave the bike to the nearby KTM service center to replace the front disc. It should have ended there but sadly it didn't.
    I wanted to replace the front wheel as well since it had a slight bent as well although it was not affecting the ride.
    The service center people fixed the new disc to the new wheel and took it to a tyre shop to refit the tyre from the old wheel to the new wheel. Lo and behold, they bent the new disc as well.
    Double whammy eh! Usually, the rotor side is always up, most local tire folks use the rotor as a leverage to stand over and then work their way around the tire. The bigger the disc, the higher the chances of it warping, and this warpage would end up causing vibrations through the bars when braking or at certain speeds. Hope you've replaced the rotor. IIRC, the rotor costs approx 1799-ish

    Cheers!
    VJ

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  • biker_sac
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    When you are going to replace the tyre, never let them mount the wheel on the machine with the brake disc facing down. Or better, just remove the disc and give. Otherwise, you will end up with a bend disc.

    I recently replaced my tyre and the tyre changing guy did exactly this and bent the front disc.

    So, i gave the bike to the nearby KTM service center to replace the front disc. It should have ended there but sadly it didn't.
    I wanted to replace the front wheel as well since it had a slight bent as well although it was not affecting the ride.
    The service center people fixed the new disc to the new wheel and took it to a tyre shop to refit the tyre from the old wheel to the new wheel. Lo and behold, they bent the new disc as well.

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  • biker_sac
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    The front sintered brake pad costs Rs.2662. A whopping increase of 77% from an year back. The normal brake pad is still available for Rs.400. Does anyone know what is the price for the front disc?

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  • Harshit Dave
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    Originally posted by s1d View Post

    do try to clean and reinstall the clutch switch or a new one and see.. otherwise try the following :

    Have you tried riding another bs6 390 ? Pl do ride one (preferably start off from a cold engine).. maybe the test ride bike at the svc or a friends/or maybe ask another customer at the svc if you can ride his bike and he your bike, so you can see if the same 'issue' persists. Sometimes its just the riders riding style that needs to be adapted, especially the engine shutting off when you abruptly close throttle and pull in the clutch (usually a wee bit of throttle blip is required to avoid the shut off). with the engine suddenly shutting off, this probably is causing the low oil pressure warning light to come up.. Do you see the low oil pressure warning light come on even otherwise i.e. during riding/engine idling ??
    There have also been some cases of a faulty oil pressure sensor, replacing that might solve the false low oil pressure warning issues.

    Another thing is, Ask the svc to connect their diag tool (on a cold engine). check for any error codes.. if no error codes, ask them to clear the dtc (you will see that option on the tool).. after clearing the dtc, put the bike on paddock with side stand retracted.. start the engine, don't touch throttle.. let it idle for 15 min and then shut off the engine (idle it for between 15 min -15 min 30 second.. not more or less). This procedure lets the ecu 'relearn', otherwise after clearing the dtc the idle with be a bit erratic and you will face engine shut down at times for the first few minutes of riding.

    Also iirc the 390 now has an option to reset the ecu, remember reading it in the service manual.. will share the procedure once i get hold of the manual, cant remember it off my head. But the above steps should be a good starting point in troubleshooting.
    The low pressure warning light doesn't come up any other time i.e. riding/idling engine. Thanks for the suggestion, if the clutch sensor switch doesn't solve this issue, i'll try the ECU fix.

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  • Harshit Dave
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    Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

    Electrical gremlins can pop up right out of the factory too, there is a reason why electronic/electrical components have limited to no warranty and with these switches almost nada. If you can in fact get it replaced and if it does help in solving the issue, why not. Interesting twist in the tale though.

    Cheers!
    VJ
    Yes. I'll get replaced and hope it solves the issue. Also, i've got the video of all the issues popping up on my GoPro so that i can show them.

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  • s1d
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    Originally posted by Harshit Dave View Post

    Thanks for the reply. I visited the SVC to get both of these issues fixed and they adjusted the clutch cable and checked the spark plug and the terminal to lead connection, cleaned the spark plug and installed it again. I took the SVC guy with me as pillion to replicate the issue but it didn't occur at that time. When i took the bike back home from SVC, it occurred twice.

    Interestingly, the KTM mechanic told me that the BS6 doesn't have a Stepper Motor, which i still don't believe. When i encountered this issue for the first time, i was sure that it is the stepper motor but i'm confused now when the KTM guy mechanic told me that it doesn't have a stepper motor. Thirdly, i also told them to check the side stand switch and it was fine. Should i tell them to check the throttle body ?
    do try to clean and reinstall the clutch switch or a new one and see.. otherwise try the following :

    Have you tried riding another bs6 390 ? Pl do ride one (preferably start off from a cold engine).. maybe the test ride bike at the svc or a friends/or maybe ask another customer at the svc if you can ride his bike and he your bike, so you can see if the same 'issue' persists. Sometimes its just the riders riding style that needs to be adapted, especially the engine shutting off when you abruptly close throttle and pull in the clutch (usually a wee bit of throttle blip is required to avoid the shut off). with the engine suddenly shutting off, this probably is causing the low oil pressure warning light to come up.. Do you see the low oil pressure warning light come on even otherwise i.e. during riding/engine idling ??
    There have also been some cases of a faulty oil pressure sensor, replacing that might solve the false low oil pressure warning issues.

    Another thing is, Ask the svc to connect their diag tool (on a cold engine). check for any error codes.. if no error codes, ask them to clear the dtc (you will see that option on the tool).. after clearing the dtc, put the bike on paddock with side stand retracted.. start the engine, don't touch throttle.. let it idle for 15 min and then shut off the engine (idle it for between 15 min -15 min 30 second.. not more or less). This procedure lets the ecu 'relearn', otherwise after clearing the dtc the idle with be a bit erratic and you will face engine shut down at times for the first few minutes of riding.

    Also iirc the 390 now has an option to reset the ecu, remember reading it in the service manual.. will share the procedure once i get hold of the manual, cant remember it off my head. But the above steps should be a good starting point in troubleshooting.
    Last edited by s1d; 02-27-2021, 11:53 PM.

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