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  • Originally posted by nox2505 View Post
    The overheating m talking about is engine generating more heat. The cylinder bore kept by TVS is always tighter(15-25 microns as i found) than honda, bajaj, ect, Thats the rason it feels to be overheated. The engine generates more heat faster than the air cooling u can get. The same issue was there with yamaha RD350, Shogun and samurais, RX135 (in case od RD, i got info from my uncle. i havent used it yet but eager to get one) .
    And for long runs, as the engine gets heated, u get smoother run of piston. and air passing by keeps the engine sufficiently cool.
    I dunno man, it's still confusing to me. if what you're saying is correct, all you need to do is get the engine really hot and then even on short runs, it should run smooth. and there isn't much of a difference in airflow and cooling whether it's a short run or long. so it should be more or less the same. and i've never noticed a difference with my fi whether i ride it slow or fast. i usually ride fast. and i did say i noticed a slight drop in power when the engine is really hot. not the other way around. so in my case, for the first 10-15km the bike puts out much more power than later when its really hot. maybe riding style has something to do with it too.

    about the rd, the air-cooling was about adequate for the indian tunes, about 30hp max on paper, i guess they would be putting out less than 25hp in real life, what with all the jugaad and delhi parts used in them. i used to ride my rd in peak bombay summer in rush hour traffic (of course not as hot as up north or elsewhere) and while it would get really hot, i never felt it overheated. other rds may not be so lucky since many people have them tuned really lean for max fuel economy.

    Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
    1gear it touched 12000,2 also 12000 from third it was going to 11500 and was not goin beyond tht...
    renny, you do realise that the rtr has peak torque around 6k and peak hp around 8.5k rpms. revving it beyond that to redline is not going to do you much good and will greatly reduce engine life. especially in the first few gears. this is important if you plan to keep the bike for more than 2-3 years. otherwise, enjoy your revving! any idea how this has solved the missing/jerking/vibrating tacho needle issues ?

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    • Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
      renny, you do realise that the rtr has peak torque around 6k and peak hp around 8.5k rpms. revving it beyond that to redline is not going to do you much good and will greatly reduce engine life. especially in the first few gears. this is important if you plan to keep the bike for more than 2-3 years. otherwise, enjoy your revving! any idea how this has solved the missing/jerking/vibrating tacho needle issues ?
      ya revving the hell out specially in first two gears wasnt my idea too,and i did it after a long time.......

      but looking at the tacho goin right upto whr it ends gives me super kick....much more than the rarest of drugs......

      but still the engine has a pull upto 10500RPM after which power trail's off....which is a good 2000RPM 'over' the peak run....

      tht's mystry to me to....cuz during my run it tht is of 1000kms i never took it beyond 4000-4500 so i never new bout the violent shakin issues and the first day i revved it the tacho needle scared me........

      but after 8-10kms of this hammering hard ride of mine the tacho became smooth.....
      may be it's in love with it's 9000-12000RPM zones!!!!!!!!!!
      Last edited by rennycornelius; 05-11-2009, 09:21 PM.
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      • Hey Guys,
        This is my experience of my apache
        3500 Km done
        Awesome package, worth 65 k (RTR RDs in Delhi are On road for 65,500 )
        Well, first 1000 Km (990 in my case) were very hard times, it was really tough to maintain below 60, when u got something that can Hit 3 digit figures easily
        Though i Ripped it earlier than my 2nd service, at around 990 Km (You know, its hard to resist when you are always going on a 23 Km Highway)

        Earlier i was opting for a FZ, but since dad didnt allowed to go for more than 65, i opted for it after searching through motorcycle experiences in forums, am really happy tht i chose this bike

        So, now coming back to my experience, it was superb always as far as power is concerned (for a 160 cc bike), i did faced a few probs,

        Rear tyre isnt as good as it should be, i skidded many times at turns, bad roads and all..

        my digi speedo console got replaced once (false readings, and Tacho's needle once did a complete 360, after that the needle would idle at like between 12000 mark and 0 mark, for a good point, at 3k RPM i would be at 70 Kmph), i had same prob again after replacement, but it corrected automatically when i restarted engine (maybe after a while, it may error and will be replaced)... as for fuel gauge, never trust it, i just use it for an idea

        For a good thing, i clocked 134 on my bike, and 0-60 at 4.2 sec (considering my weight : 47 kgs, and no, im nt a kid, am 20 yrs) though at 134, my bike started kind of fishtailing at tht speed

        Thats all probs i faced till 35xx Km, considering this apart, superb bike, awesome performance, I really like ridin this machine, Exhaust note is really diff. from other bikes and i really love it..
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        • Guys...anyone knows what should be the CO reading ideally for RTR Carb ..i messed up with my settings a bit..and this time the reading has increased considerably
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          • Originally posted by Freakout4321 View Post
            Hey Guys,
            This is my experience of my apache
            3500 Km done
            Awesome package, worth 65 k (RTR RDs in Delhi are On road for 65,500 )
            Well, first 1000 Km (990 in my case) were very hard times, it was really tough to maintain below 60, when u got something that can Hit 3 digit figures easily
            Though i Ripped it earlier than my 2nd service, at around 990 Km (You know, its hard to resist when you are always going on a 23 Km Highway)

            Earlier i was opting for a FZ, but since dad didnt allowed to go for more than 65, i opted for it after searching through motorcycle experiences in forums, am really happy tht i chose this bike

            So, now coming back to my experience, it was superb always as far as power is concerned (for a 160 cc bike), i did faced a few probs,

            Rear tyre isnt as good as it should be, i skidded many times at turns, bad roads and all..

            my digi speedo console got replaced once (false readings, and Tacho's needle once did a complete 360, after that the needle would idle at like between 12000 mark and 0 mark, for a good point, at 3k RPM i would be at 70 Kmph), i had same prob again after replacement, but it corrected automatically when i restarted engine (maybe after a while, it may error and will be replaced)... as for fuel gauge, never trust it, i just use it for an idea

            For a good thing, i clocked 134 on my bike, and 0-60 at 4.2 sec (considering my weight : 47 kgs, and no, im nt a kid, am 20 yrs) though at 134, my bike started kind of fishtailing at tht speed

            Thats all probs i faced till 35xx Km, considering this apart, superb bike, awesome performance, I really like ridin this machine, Exhaust note is really diff. from other bikes and i really love it..

            134kmph?
            is it possible?
            i am in running in now..so cant experience it.
            its hard for me too to keep the bike below 60..
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            • Originally posted by snehil View Post
              134kmph?
              is it possible?
              i am in running in now..so cant experience it.
              its hard for me too to keep the bike below 60..

              Thats what my Speedo showed..
              Well, i already mentioned, am 47 Kgs (Seriously Underweight), tht means not much load on bike (as far as my thinking goes) maybe that helped me to clock tht much.. my friend (68 Kgs) clocked 128 on my bike, i dont know abt how accurate speedometers are, but thts wht speedo showed
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              • it is pretty much capable..even my bike has done a best of 134 on speedo...it will have a error of 11kph..that is when we checked it on the speed gun..

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                • ok, need a suggestion here........now i changed my engine oil, but forgot to change the oil filter, now i need to change it, how will i do so ?

                  i am asking this because if i open the oil filter some oil will come out, and oil level will go down, so need some suggestion from you guys so that i can change my fillet and will not loose any amount of oil
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                  • Originally posted by psycho28 View Post
                    ok, need a suggestion here........now i changed my engine oil, but forgot to change the oil filter, now i need to change it, how will i do so ?

                    i am asking this because if i open the oil filter some oil will come out, and oil level will go down, so need some suggestion from you guys so that i can change my fillet and will not loose any amount of oil
                    take out the old oil filter all you'll be loosing is about 100-150ml of oil...
                    "dont" drain the whole oil and refill it...
                    put the new one in and run the engine for 5 mins...thn check the level of oil...

                    top it up with prefrebly same brand with same rating (here 20w40) and check the level again....
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                    • Originally posted by Freakout4321 View Post
                      Hey Guys,

                      For a good thing, i clocked 134 on my bike, and 0-60 at 4.2 sec (considering my weight : 47 kgs, and no, im nt a kid, am 20 yrs) though at 134, my bike started kind of fishtailing at tht speed
                      Hey I am like you though a lil more heavier (50-51) and the 1st time I touched 100 on my bike, the front end started swerving around,wobbling kinna, but not so severe as to loose control.I barely noticed it as I had to keep my eyes on the road and was excited bout doing my 1st ton on my new bike but as soon as I noticed it I slowed down.Its kinna wierd because it never happened to me on other bikes at speed (cbz,p200). Though there was a some breeze blowing. Is the RTR lighter in front ? I have to hold the clip ons hard and straight and focus on it while doing ton up speeds.

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                      • Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                        take out the old oil filter all you'll be loosing is about 100-150ml of oil...
                        "dont" drain the whole oil and refill it...
                        put the new one in and run the engine for 5 mins...thn check the level of oil...

                        top it up with prefrebly same brand with same rating (here 20w40) and check the level again....
                        now the problem is i am using power1 racing(10w40)

                        why shouldn't i drain the whole oil ?
                        Last edited by psycho28; 05-12-2009, 02:59 PM. Reason: wrong info
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                        • went to the SVC today and told about the switching off issue. they are going to change the FI unit again no stock right now, so have to wait 2/3 days.

                          some queries about oil - I want to change the oil in my bike to another brand. looking at motul 3000v.
                          is semi-synth oil ok for a 3000 kms old bike?
                          do i have to change the oil filter?
                          where is the oil filter located? can i do that or do i have to go to SVC?
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                          • Hey guys i gota RTR , can any tell me what would be total cost if i want to make my 160 to 180/200 cc by bore/stroke mods ?? will both 180cc n 200 cost the same
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                            • Originally posted by psycho28 View Post
                              now the problem is i am using power1 racing(15w50)

                              why shouldn't i drain the whole oil ?
                              draining and refillin the same oil weather new or old is not recommended....
                              in any case you have to top it up cuz changing the oil filter will be wasting ur oil...

                              BTW how can u forget to change the filter dude???????????
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                              • Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                                draining and refillin the same oil weather new or old is not recommended....
                                in any case you have to top it up cuz changing the oil filter will be wasting ur oil...

                                BTW how can u forget to change the filter dude???????????
                                hm, then will have to find another way

                                forgot because i was in hurry
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