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  • #2821
    Originally posted by TorQ View Post
    i have completed my runin.. its 1100 kms now. so i started giving throttle till 60kms. and was happily riding till i saw one FZ.. ops!!! i gave throttle Apache moving very slowly in initials. i never thought the response would b so slow. its so slow that in another signal i hit first gear and move.. there goes honda activa crossing my Fi and it was no way possible to catch.. . i dont think the response would b so slow. i know it cant b the RTR Fi problem. may b specific to my bike.

    my bike response is too slow. is it time to goto to service center again. Any inputs would b fine. engine cries hard ven i give throttle. and when i slow down from 60 to 0near speed breaker therez a big sound from silencer as a cracker.. help me..

    That problem must be with injector. It may not be atomizing fuel well. check spark plug condition and contact svc immediately. actually u should have smoken FZ.
    My RTR not Fi is 1900kms and I clocked top speed 128 yet and 0-60 3.9 sec. My Fi(actually my friend's, I was usung it for 6 months) had created the same problem. they changed sparkplug, clutchplates and injector under warranty.
    Last edited by nox2505; 05-28-2009, 07:58 PM.
    There's lot to it other than saddle....


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    • #2822
      Originally posted by TorQ View Post
      i have completed my runin.. its 1100 kms now. so i started giving throttle till 60kms. and was happily riding till i saw one FZ.. ops!!! i gave throttle Apache moving very slowly in initials. i never thought the response would b so slow. its so slow that in another signal i hit first gear and move.. there goes honda activa crossing my Fi and it was no way possible to catch.. . i dont think the response would b so slow. i know it cant b the RTR Fi problem. may b specific to my bike.

      my bike response is too slow. is it time to goto to service center again. Any inputs would b fine. engine cries hard ven i give throttle. and when i slow down from 60 to 0near speed breaker therez a big sound from silencer as a cracker.. help me..
      Your SAI (Secondary Air Injection Unit) is gone. My Fiero F2 had the same problem&the unit was replaced under warranty.
      Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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      • #2823
        online manual

        anyone have an idea about an online manual for the RTR?

        you have to run the bike over 4000 at times, run highway, city, slow, vary the rpm's and don't be too shy or you'll end up with a disappointment

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        • #2824
          Originally posted by TorQ View Post
          itill i saw one FZ.. ops!!! i gave throttle Apache moving very slowly in initials. i never thought the response would b so slow. its so slow that in another signal i hit first gear and move.. there goes honda activa crossing my Fi and it was no way possible to catch.. . i dont think the response would b so slow. i know it cant b the RTR Fi problem. may b specific to my bike.

          my bike response is too slow. is it time to goto to service center again. Any inputs would b fine. engine cries hard ven i give throttle. and when i slow down from 60 to 0near speed breaker therez a big sound from silencer as a cracker.. help me..
          dude the FI needs a downshift when u carck open a throttle...as u mentioned u saw a 'specefic' bike and twisted ur wrist and i assume u were in 4 or 3 gear dont expect FI to jump on...
          most of the FI's power is produced at the high RPM's and the engine comes to "LIFE" after 6500RPm...
          b4 tht it's not gonna perform the way it should....

          FI also needs lot of RPM to launch it good from the tart or it will knock in first gear....
          to lanch it u have to dump clutch at 4000-5000RPM to get the flying start you're looking for....

          i seriously think you didnt understand where's the creamy band of power is....
          try every gear and every RPM and as you've completed the running in....get to know the engine better...

          i dont think there's any prob with ur injection system....

          Originally posted by nox2505 View Post
          0-60 3.9 sec.
          forget the time u acheived....
          it's highly inaccurate.............

          Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
          Your SAI (Secondary Air Injection Unit) is gone. My Fiero F2 had the same problem&the unit was replaced under warranty.
          i dont think it's the culprit at all..........
          The Magician"

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          • #2825
            Originally posted by terrordrone View Post
            @indianz_alive : What is a FOC ? The needle in the tachometer(rpm meter) has been displaced. It doesnt rest at 0rpm when switched off. Instead it is sometimes at -500 (hehe yea) or +500/1000 rpm. So the svc guys said they cannot set the needle in place and the whole unit has to be replaced which i found really funny and dumb.
            Hi, FOC means Free Of Cost.
            Replacing the full unit is the right thing. I took the damaged meter and studied it. There is a kind of transducer which is electronically controlled (unlike mechanical magnetic needles). I was looking for the memory chip which cud be replaced so that old readings cud be retrieved. But The memory is in-built for the microprocessor. Sad, that it can be desoldered only by proper method and machine otherwise even a few micramperes of static current at wrong pin can destroy the microprocessor.
            I wud suggest you to get it replaced under warranty.
            Yes....

            I'm still Alive...

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            • #2826
              @rennycornelius: Fi is supposed to provide smoother throttle response compared to the carbed bikes even for cold starts&sudden cracking open of the throttle.
              He could have been trying to do that from a higher gear at a lower speed.
              That is nothing to worry about as you said.
              However, the case of his silencer blasts happen due to mainly 3 reasons:
              1. Incorrect air fuel mixture-not possible as his bike is a new plus it is Fi
              2. Dirty/wrong gap spark plug-again ruled out as it is a new bike, moreover it does not have any starting trouble-that would surely be there for a bad spark plug.
              3. Secondary Air Injection Unit malfunction
              Which is why I told him that could be the culprit, coz I faced the same problem in my bike (not my R15).
              Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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              • #2827
                Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                @rennycornelius: Fi is supposed to provide smoother throttle response compared to the carbed bikes even for cold starts&sudden cracking open of the throttle.
                He could have been trying to do that from a higher gear at a lower speed.
                That is nothing to worry about as you said.
                However, the case of his silencer blasts happen due to mainly 3 reasons:
                1. Incorrect air fuel mixture-not possible as his bike is a new plus it is Fi
                2. Dirty/wrong gap spark plug-again ruled out as it is a new bike, moreover it does not have any starting trouble-that would surely be there for a bad spark plug.).
                absolutely right....
                agreed....

                Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                Secondary Air Injection Unit malfunction
                Which is why I told him that could be the culprit, coz I faced the same problem in my bike (not my R15).
                but still it's a new bike do you think it failed.....?
                u faced tht prob in ur F2 when it was new or after some time.....
                The Magician"

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                • #2828
                  Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                  dude the FI needs a downshift when u carck open a throttle...as u mentioned u saw a 'specefic' bike and twisted ur wrist and i assume u were in 4 or 3 gear dont expect FI to jump on...
                  most of the FI's power is produced at the high RPM's and the engine comes to "LIFE" after 6500RPm...
                  b4 tht it's not gonna perform the way it should....

                  FI also needs lot of RPM to launch it good from the tart or it will knock in first gear....
                  to lanch it u have to dump clutch at 4000-5000RPM to get the flying start you're looking for....

                  i seriously think you didnt understand where's the creamy band of power is....
                  try every gear and every RPM and as you've completed the running in....get to know the engine better...

                  i dont think there's any prob with ur injection system....



                  forget the time u acheived....
                  it's highly inaccurate.............



                  i dont think it's the culprit at all..........

                  renny i dont doubt your knowledge or suggestion. Yestrday in NICE road bangalore i purposely stopped the bike paid the toll. and try to rip the bike .. to my shock in third gear no matter how much ever u push meter reading was showing 51 kms. then 4th gear 61 and after 5th the maximum i could touch is 75.. thats it. doesnt go past this reading. i think there is some problem. i could not notice till now because the bike was in runin..now that i open the throttle i feel therez something stopping or something missing. when i raised it next to FZ i was standing in signal.. so i was in first gear. Dunno. wat do u suggest..

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                  • #2829
                    Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                    But still it's a new bike do you think it failed.....?
                    u faced tht prob in ur F2 when it was new or after some time.....
                    Yes Renny, I faced the problem in my F2 when it was new. Changed the spark plug, cleaned the carb, checked everything, then also it was still blasting. So finally TVS kept the bike for a week&then replaced it under warranty.
                    In his case there is no carb to clean. He can still try cleaning the air filter/spark plug&adjusting the gap at his next service. But I seriously doubt it, as those things will cause regular sputtering/misfiring. This is a kind of air lock that happens when coming down from high speed to low. My bike used to do the same thing, so I zeroed in on that one.
                    Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                    • #2830
                      Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                      Yes Renny, I faced the problem in my F2 when it was new. Changed the spark plug, cleaned the carb, checked everything, then also it was still blasting. So finally TVS kept the bike for a week&then replaced it under warranty.
                      In his case there is no carb to clean. He can still try cleaning the air filter/spark plug&adjusting the gap at his next service. But I seriously doubt it, as those things will cause regular sputtering/misfiring. This is a kind of air lock that happens when coming down from high speed to low. My bike used to do the same thing, so I zeroed in on that one.
                      sarvajit bang on target..yes the misfiring happens only when i downshift. otherwise there is no problem. i have noticed this for quite a sometime now..

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                      • #2831
                        Originally posted by TorQ View Post
                        renny i dont doubt your knowledge or suggestion. Yestrday in NICE road bangalore i purposely stopped the bike paid the toll. and try to rip the bike .. to my shock in third gear no matter how much ever u push meter reading was showing 51 kms. then 4th gear 61 and after 5th the maximum i could touch is 75.. thats it. doesnt go past this reading. i think there is some problem. i could not notice till now because the bike was in runin..now that i open the throttle i feel therez something stopping or something missing. when i raised it next to FZ i was standing in signal.. so i was in first gear. Dunno. wat do u suggest..
                        this indicates two things...
                        1. what sarvajit suggeated,ur secondary air thing is culprit...
                        2. ur injection is chocked but yadi wo choke hota to it would be giving you prob in the morn and wont be giving you the perfect idle and moreover it should get stalled every now and then....
                        3.now i seriously doubt (but it's a new bike so chances are very low) the timing of ur bike it might be the culprit....

                        Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                        Yes Renny, I faced the problem in my F2 when it was new. Changed the spark plug, cleaned the carb, checked everything, then also it was still blasting. So finally TVS kept the bike for a week&then replaced it under warranty.
                        In his case there is no carb to clean. He can still try cleaning the air filter/spark plug&adjusting the gap at his next service. But I seriously doubt it, as those things will cause regular sputtering/misfiring. This is a kind of air lock that happens when coming down from high speed to low. My bike used to do the same thing, so I zeroed in on that one.
                        now aftr the details he gave yes the secondary air system must be checked.....
                        The Magician"

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                        • #2832
                          Originally posted by TorQ View Post
                          sarvajit bang on target..yes the misfiring happens only when i downshift. otherwise there is no problem. i have noticed this for quite a sometime now..
                          Hmm, I am assuming the idle setting is correct, so do the following:
                          1. Get the air filter cleaned
                          2. Spark plug gap&condition checked.
                          3. Check for any carbon deposits in silencer-put your finger inside, but be careful.
                          4. If all these yield positive results, ask them to check the Secondary Air Injection unit.
                          Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                          • #2833
                            Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                            this indicates two things...
                            1. what sarvajit suggeated,ur secondary air thing is culprit...
                            2. ur injection is chocked but yadi wo choke hota to it would be giving you prob in the morn and wont be giving you the perfect idle and moreover it should get stalled every now and then....
                            3.now i seriously doubt (but it's a new bike so chances are very low) the timing of ur bike it might be the culprit....



                            now aftr the details he gave yes the secondary air system must be checked.....
                            thanx for discussing the issue guys.. yes time to goto service station now..

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                            • #2834
                              update: some of you may recall, my bikes FI unit was changed the second time. its been one week now. the problem (of stalling) has not cropped up.
                              hope thats the end of that.
                              Acta non verba

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                              • #2835
                                Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                                Hmm, I am assuming the idle setting is correct, so do the following:
                                1. Get the air filter cleaned
                                2. Spark plug gap&condition checked.
                                3. Check for any carbon deposits in silencer-put your finger inside, but be careful.
                                4. If all these yield positive results, ask them to check the Secondary Air Injection unit.
                                There is no Secondary Air Injection unit in RTR Fi. Check the manual.
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