Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

[MENTION=37035]ashwinprakas[/MENTION] - there are guys who like to have the cake and eat it too ( whatever it means). Can't blame them. I know guys who squeeze every km they can from a RE.

Long back I had a bike crazy, tech-handicappad friend who suggested mating an RX engine with a CD100 gearbox to get the best of both. [emoji23]

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It definitely is, for fuel worth Y, I get X number of km's with everything dialled in right and unless there is a radical change in figures I see no point in being concerned about the same.

Reason being there are multiple atmospheric and road condition factors that affect fuel efficiency on a carbureted motorcycle and a controlled FE check doesn't do justice to that, in a case where my average consumption would remain more or less the same I know for a fact that if I do a couple of controlled FE runs then the chance of coming up with different values is more likely due to all variables not being under my control.

Plus when it comes to the practical application I have spent more or less the same amount(1350/-) of money to commute(800 km's) the same distance(and route) on motorcycles with different displacements(100cc vs 220cc) which translates to similar FE figures but at the same time if I do a controlled run then the FE figures of both motorcycles would be at polar ends.

Which is why I feel that controlled FE checks are not worth the effort in the whole scheme of things.

As long as everything is dialled in right and there is no evidence of running rich/lean you will receive a consistent average and all would be well until the moment you get a radical drop in which case you diagnose and resolve the contributing factor. And in another case, if all things are dialled in right and you're still not satisfied with the FE then it might just be that you opted for the wrong motorcycle for the job and the only result you'll get with fiddling around with the tuning is a prematurely worn out carburettor which again is counterproductive, because all things considered you need to extract reliable miles for the money invested.

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On the contrary I think FE is one of the pointers of a bike's health.

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This air filter with the psr mod [emoji3] has been ready for sometime now and finally I found time to go to the mech. I had acquired a 2nd hand carb and wanted to put in both at the same time. Sadly the carb's choke section is stuck in the carb and it is given for extraction at the lathe. He had a zma carb lying idle and as a temp measure it was connected. The idle/ slow speed is pathetic. Till 3.5~4k rpm it is looney.. I have to use the choke liberally to get a move. Post that it is fine. The choke doesn't work gradually either - it is either on or off, like a switch. Anyway hope to get the carb back from the lathe today and try it. The mech said the Unicorn choke unit can be used for zma, any idea ?

Going further back , I was having starting issues for a long time. Since the headlight was good I thought it was the relay. But when I checked the voltage was below 11 and I changed the battery. Now it starts even with the headlight (60/55w) on.

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I thought I should know my machine[emoji4] [emoji4]

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Considering the whole scheme of things such controlled FE checks are pointless.

As long as you've got all the parameters dialed in right you need not be bothered about the FE, and if it still bothers you then you're riding the wrong bike.

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Tested mileage with mileage tester bottle. My cousin was holding the bottle and I was riding. Tested with 100 ml petrol and bike ran for 3.2 km in highway (never crossed 4500 rpm). Tested again with 100 ml and bike ran 3.7 km in city with light traffic. I dropped him in his home and left. I thought I should test it again and the bike ran for 4.4 km with 100-110 ml petrol. Because fe increased, I thought I should check it once more[emoji23]. Fourth time the bike ran for 5 kms with 100-110 ml of petrol. So the difference with a pillion was around 10 kmpl. I don't think that much difference is normal (he weighs just 55 kg). May be the reason was my cousin not holding the bottle properly. I Was gentle with throttle fourth time and happy because I got around 50 kmpl with 110 section michelin sirac street ath rear and 90 section mrf kurve at front[emoji41][emoji846]☺

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[QUOTE=rushikesh.ware;1346424]1. To reduce vibrations, take generous piece of tire tube and "install" it between the gap
2. I have replaced the rear cowls and the rear center piece. 2 x1800 + 400 =4000/- if my memory serves me right.
At 4k, the paint quality and the strength of the fibre is better than after market ones.
My logic was, either I waste money twice for cheap ones or once for the original ones.[/QUOTE [MENTION=82098]rushikesh.ware[/MENTION]
I'm a student and I don't like asking money all the time for my needs to my parents. That is exactly why I bought a used bike. But I have always took good care of my activa and karizma. I'm trying to restore zma with my savings. I will ask for their help only after confirming that I can't do it on my own. That is why I'm asking about alternatives. If I've no other way, I'll go for hero made from asc. But I'm afraid to order hero fairings after receiving inferior product from SparesCompany. It came with hero unique code. I went to a local shop after receiving the product from SparesCompany and found almost same quality fairing at 1.3 k[emoji23]

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1. To reduce vibrations, take generous piece of tire tube and "install" it between the gap
2. I have replaced the rear cowls and the rear center piece. 2 x1800 + 400 =4000/- if my memory serves me right.
At 4k, the paint quality and the strength of the fibre is better than after market ones.
My logic was, either I waste money twice for cheap ones or once for the original ones.

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Couldn't find a mileage testing bottle but a store owner promised me that he will get it tomorrow.
Now, I've some other doubts.
There is gap between speedometer and fairing and that causes a lot of vibration. There is a small crack in one fairing but the the gap is there in two sides. How can I remove these gaps? Is it the problem of fairing or legs in tank?
I need to buy the side cowls because the one I'm using has got some minor cracks. I ordered one from SparesCompany but received a very low quality product so returned it. The cowls I ordered was for 2007 make and my bike is a 2012 make. 2007 was priced around 1500 for a side and 2012 was priced around 2500. According to SparesCompany, the only difference in both of the products is stickers. I asked some karizma owners, some mechanics and xbhpians about the differences of fiber quality in both of these models and all of them said there are no quality differences.

Now I want to buy a good quality fairing. I asked the asc here and they quoted around 6000 rs. There are cheaper cowls available starting from 1300 for a pair in kochi. I don't feel like I should go for hero made cowls which costs a bomb [emoji35] .
Has anyone here tried zadon made fairings from safex bikes? Is there any tested alternatives available? Any inputs will be appreciated [emoji4] [emoji4]

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Will do it sir..
Thanks again [emoji4]

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You are right..reserve to reserve is a wrong way to calculate FE. Tank full to tank full is the correct method. Otherwise buy the FE testing bottle from any Spares Shop and test with it to get a better accuracy...

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Today, I tried to check my fe in my 150 km trip.(reserve to reserve method). Because reserve to reserve method is prone to error, I decided to fill fuel for small amounts three or four times and calculate average. When the bike hit reserve, I filled for 70 rs (.89 litre) and the bike ran 43 km with petrol on. Then filled again with rs 60 (.766 litre) and bike ran for 30 km in kochi traffic. Again I filled with rs 70 (.89 litre) and I had to turn the fuel knob to reserve just after 8 km. Bike was not starting with fuel on. I started again in reserve and shifted again to on position and bike ran till 30 kms without any problem. Is this normal? I kñow that reserve to reserve is not accurate because fuel flows inside the tank. But this much difference is usual? After hitting reserve at 30 km, I filled again for 70 rs (again .89 litres) and it ran till 34 kms.
The calculated fe is
1st filling - 48.3 (highway)
2nd - 39.1 (pure city riding)
3rd - 33.5 (30% city, 70% highway)
4th - 38.1 (10% city, 70% highway)

I don't know that this much difference is normal or not. So thought I should ask you guys. Any info will be appreciated☺☺

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Ashwin Prakash please contact me

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[MENTION=85620]akhilsnair[/MENTION]

Hey bro, if its not much trouble could you please share the part number of the ZMA chain and sprocket kit individually here for the benefit of all users.