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**Braumabull** · 07-31-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by kedar3223 View Post

what i'm saying is that as a motogp fan i would rather prefer rossi as the second rider at yamaha facing the limitations of a second rider(if any) if it means having a better bike. Can't see the way he is struggling at the moment. Your point can to me in a sense that you would rather have him at ducati than seeing him loosing out to lorenzo(if at all) riding similar bikes.

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Not exactly my point but close. What I meant was, Ducati or rather Audi-Ducati should provide him with bike with the upgrade he wants.

About the similar bikes, they might seem similar,but not the in this case at Yamaha, plus the problem is about the crew too.....

Anyways I see your point, but I dont agree completely.(Some of them were true, But you know ,can of worms :

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**princesirohi** · 07-31-2012, 10:59 PM

hmmnn, so we are still divided on what rossi should do...

how many years of motogp, you think are left in him ???

you know, somebody said, think out of the box --

can he sign a one year deal with ducati to see if things improve and then if not-- he can form a team of his own or approach kawasaki/suzuki/BMW/etc etc

**Braumabull** · 07-31-2012, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

hmmnn, so we are still divided on what rossi should do...

how many years of motogp, you think are left in him ???

you know, somebody said, think out of the box --

can he sign a one year deal with ducati to see if things improve and then if not-- he can form a team of his own or approach kawasaki/suzuki/BMW/etc etc

Yes he can sign one year deal.
How many years??-- Well depends, once he gets a competitive machinery and how well he does?
Max is 41 and still bloody awsome

**princesirohi** · 08-01-2012, 01:37 AM

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**Dinesh.P** · 08-01-2012, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by Braumabull View Post

Not exactly my point but close. What I meant was, Ducati or rather Audi-Ducati should provide him with bike with the upgrade he wants.

About the similar bikes, they might seem similar,but not the in this case at Yamaha, plus the problem is about the crew too.....

Anyways I see your point, but I dont agree completely.(Some of them were true, But you know ,can of worms :

)

Rossi informed that there is no clear idea who is going to take up the motogp process either Audi or Ducati. And he already informed that there is no time to stay and see who is gonna take the control, but Rossi has less time and the decision will be made before Indianapolis.

Lorenzo's welcome mat and Rossi telling that he is having tuf time with Ducati but he needs a factory bike next season shows the Rossi's intention to get back into Yamaha....

**princesirohi** · 08-01-2012, 11:54 AM

its quite clear that rossi doesn't want to go to yamaha, but given the circumstances he has to go to yamaha. not much options, not many factory teams on the grid.

**The Monk** · 08-01-2012, 02:42 PM

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**xionite** · 08-01-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by kedar3223 View Post

You mean no other rider had any inputs in developing that bike? also if tomorrow ducati does well, amongst rossi, nicky, stoner, marco etc who would you say developed the bike?

no actually. the M1 was crap before rossi signed his contract with yamaha.
yamaha were virtually the laughing stock at MotoGP.
and then VR comes in... and wins from the first race onwards.

so i wouldn't say any of the previous riders input(s) had ANYTHING to do with the turnaround. it was ALL Valentino Rossi.

Originally posted by kedar3223 View Post

Trust me it is not about the bad phase he is going through. Happens to everybody.

It does happen to everybody. But it DOES NOT happen to Valentino Rossi.

Not since 1996.

Originally posted by kedar3223 View Post

It is just that i don't understand why he has been considered FAR superior than others when i feel he is just a talented guy with good fortunes.

in 1996...
on the Aprillia 125cc he finished with 111 points making him 9th in the championship.

That was his debut year... He's ruled since then.
Since then he's won the championship 9 times, been runner up 3 times and been 3rd twice.

And this year... it looks like Alvaro flippin Bautista (who's "trailing" VR by just 1 point) is going to push him back to 9th position again.

In theory... the Ducati has reduced him to a 17 year old rookie.

I'm pretty sure Rossi's biggest regret is leaving Yamaha.
And I'm also pretty sure he's going to undo that mistake very soon.

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**princesirohi** · 08-01-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by xionite View Post

he's going to undo that mistake very soon.

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mistakes can not be undone, an arrow once shot can not return ....

when he left yamaha, he was no.1 rider in yamaha, if he returns, he will be no.-2 rider at yamaha. and no.-2 is good but it still is no-2.

**The Monk** · 08-01-2012, 07:41 PM

**kedar3223** · 08-01-2012, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by kedar3223 View Post

Similarly guys like dovi, hayden, alvaro etc do deserve a chance. Just don't want them to suffer the same fate as the likes of melandri, hopper etc when the next batch of riders come in to motogp.

My main concern as a gp racing fan.

Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post

Lastly, no one wins 9 world titles with just a good fortune.

leaving last two seasons, having a dominant bike to race throughout his gp career is a fortune that not many others possessed/possess. Not just good fortune, talent+fortune.

Originally posted by Braumabull View Post

About the similar bikes, they might seem similar,but not the in this case at Yamaha, plus the problem is about the crew too.....

Is there really a diff between the first and the second rider besides bragging rights? I never understood what the fuss is about

Anyways I see your point, but I dont agree completely.(Some of them were true, But you know ,can of worms :

)

got it bro

Originally posted by xionite View Post

no actually. the M1 was crap before rossi signed his contract with yamaha.
yamaha were virtually the laughing stock at MotoGP.
and then VR comes in... and wins from the first race onwards.

so i wouldn't say any of the previous riders input(s) had ANYTHING to do with the turnaround. it was ALL Valentino Rossi.

Just a hypothetical situation. Rossi leaves ducati and cal takes his place, goes on to win the first race because ducati ENGINEERS made a serious attempt at fixing the problems after they became the laughing stock at motogp. So Cal is the new god? Or was there input from previous riders that was left pending that also contributed?

Alvaro flippin Bautista

Why?

I'm pretty sure Rossi's biggest regret is leaving Yamaha.
And I'm also pretty sure he's going to undo that mistake very soon.

hope so.

**xionite** · 08-01-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

mistakes can not be undone, an arrow once shot can not return...

figuratively not literally.

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

when he left yamaha, he was no.1 rider in yamaha, if he returns, he will be no.-2 rider at yamaha. and no.-2 is good but it still is no-2.

Lorenzo gave Rossi a hard time as "no-2" in 2009 and 2010 didn't he.

that's all i want to see. a level playing field.

If VR signs up with Yamaha again, i'm watching the Buddh GP and Sepang GP LIVE next year.

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**prabhubravo** · 08-02-2012, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by xionite View Post

so i wouldn't say any of the previous riders input(s) had ANYTHING to do with the turnaround. it was ALL Valentino Rossi.

So you mean that yamaha developed the bike in 6 months on what Rossi asked??
Well, they had already developed 2 different bikes which are completely new. Rossi chose the one he wanted. Most of the development was already done : C Edwards

You can read interview from the man himself saying that he secretly tested the new yamaha's before signing the contract and he liked its smoothness and handling. So it was already is much better shape. yamaha had spent so much money on making the M1, along with that they spent huge chunk to get the top rider too.

So I dont agree that It was ALL VR.

**princesirohi** · 08-03-2012, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

i like the line- "if i go there will be trouble an if i stay it will be double"

suits rossi.

**Dinesh.P** · 08-03-2012, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by prabhubravo View Post

So you mean that yamaha developed the bike in 6 months on what Rossi asked??
Well, they had already developed 2 different bikes which are completely new. Rossi chose the one he wanted. Most of the development was already done : C Edwards

You can read interview from the man himself saying that he secretly tested the new yamaha's before signing the contract and he liked its smoothness and handling. So it was already is much better shape. yamaha had spent so much money on making the M1, along with that they spent huge chunk to get the top rider too.

So I dont agree that It was ALL VR.

Whatever it is Yamaha also worked well with the Rossi's feedback to bring a championship winning motorcycle... This is the factor that is missing in Ducati they are not taking Rossi's feedback and idea they work on their own...
When Rossi left Yamaha everyone feared that M1's development will be going for a toss it happened the same in 2011 championship Yamaha was underpowered and ultimately lost its ground completely to Honda but this year its the opposite... So it depends on team and how they work taking the riders idea and feedback.....

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