MotoGP 2017 season discussion thread

[The Monk]

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Remember Australian GP 2015 (hitting an Albatross with helmet :P).
Aggression displayed by Iannone was unmatchable by any of the racers on that day.
He is a great talent and Ducati shouldn't have dethroned him.

Maybe he still needs some time on understanding that Suzuki machine and with crew.
@The Monk what is that Front end bike and rear end bike? can you enlighten on it

By front end motorcycles, they are referring to bikes like the Suzuki, which have fantastic feeling in the front while cornering, somewhat like the Yamaha as well. These bikes can carry high corner speeds, something which Lorenzo and Vinales exploited on their respective motorcycles.

Rear end bikes are like the Ducati. Doesn't have great front end feel, but has fantastic grip on the rear. Which is why the Ducatis can rocket out of slow speed corners. They have incredible rear end mechanical grip. The Ducatis even now struggle mid-corner with understeer as reported by their factory riders, though the problem has substantially reduced from the time Rossi was on it.

Another reason which has seen the resurgence of Ducati is the Michelin tyres i believe. The Michelin rear tyres are supposedly fantastic, while the front not so much. This has given bikes like the Ducati a big step up, since they never depended on the front in any case. While bikes like the Yamaha have been slowed down a bit, because they cannot exploit the front as they did earlier. The Honda have probably come worse off, since their riders were the hardest on the brakes and the Michelin tyres are far too squishy in comparison to the much stiffer Bridgestone.

[sstherockz]

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By front end motorcycles, they are referring to bikes like the Suzuki, which have fantastic feeling in the front while cornering, somewhat like the Yamaha as well. These bikes can carry high corner speeds, something which Lorenzo and Vinales exploited on their respective motorcycles.

Rear end bikes are like the Ducati. Doesn't have great front end feel, but has fantastic grip on the rear. Which is why the Ducatis can rocket out of slow speed corners. They have incredible rear end mechanical grip. The Ducatis even now struggle mid-corner with understeer as reported by their factory riders, though the problem has substantially reduced from the time Rossi was on it.

Another reason which has seen the resurgence of Ducati is the Michelin tyres i believe. The Michelin rear tyres are supposedly fantastic, while the front not so much. This has given bikes like the Ducati a big step up, since they never depended on the front in any case. While bikes like the Yamaha have been slowed down a bit, because they cannot exploit the front as they did earlier. The Honda have probably come worse off, since their riders were the hardest on the brakes and the Michelin tyres are far too squishy in comparison to the much stiffer Bridgestone.

Thanks for sharing the information Monk Sir

Weird one With the Fantastic front end(like what you said as a front end bike) Andrea still falls out on corners.
and Suzuki should have had at least one existing rider in their pit from 2016(esparago at least). Changing both of their riders was a bad decision as the new riders will have to learn a lot about the bike(completely a new one for both Rins and Andrea) and made their championship dreams much worse.

Also Rossi suffered a big time with Ducati. Most of the time Factory Ducati tested their bikes with him as a rider during his tenure.
I would say he never got his full confidence on that machine like he was in Honda or Yammie.

[The Monk]

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Thanks for sharing the information Monk Sir

Weird one With the Fantastic front end(like what you said as a front end bike) Andrea still falls out on corners.
and Suzuki should have had at least one existing rider in their pit from 2016(esparago at least). Changing both of their riders was a bad decision as the new riders will have to learn a lot about the bike(completely a new one for both Rins and Andrea) and made their championship dreams much worse.

Also Rossi suffered a big time with Ducati. Most of the time Factory Ducati tested their bikes with him as a rider during his tenure.
I would say he never got his full confidence on that machine like he was in Honda or Yammie.

That is corner entry where both Lorenzo and Iannone are having a problem for opposite reasons.

Lorenzo is used to the Yamaha where you need to brake early and carry more corner speed, while the Ducati needs to braked late till the end of the world and beyond and picked up and blasted out of the corner.

Iannone is used to the Ducati and is unable to get his head around the fact that he needs to brake early and get off the brakes early before entering the corner with lots of speed.

Different bikes, different styles and two riders struggling with problems of the opposite nature because of the switch.

BTW. I am no Sir, just a humble Monk

[SparKot]

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Another reason which has seen the resurgence of Ducati is the Michelin tyres i believe. The Michelin rear tyres are supposedly fantastic, while the front not so much. This has given bikes like the Ducati a big step up, since they never depended on the front in any case. While bikes like the Yamaha have been slowed down a bit, because they cannot exploit the front as they did earlier. The Honda have probably come worse off, since their riders were the hardest on the brakes and the Michelin tyres are far too squishy in comparison to the much stiffer Bridgestone.

Why *not* get the best from both, front from Bridgestone & rear from Michelin ;-)

[Imam Jafer Ali]

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Why get the best from both, front from Bridgestone & rear from Michelin ;-)

Are not tyre suppliers are fixed by motogp 🤔

[sstherockz]

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Are not tyre suppliers are fixed by motogp 🤔

Yeah fixed by DORNA FIM

[nirvaana]

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what is that Front end bike and rear end bike? can you enlighten on it

Front-end bike is one that has better handling and a rear-end bike is one with better horse power. Again this is spoken in general terms. Not that rear end doesn't contribute to handling and stability and vice versa.

[The Monk]

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A couple of interesting reads about the brakes in MotoGP -

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It's MotoGP weekend people. Brno is here!!!

[nirvaana]

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And Lorenzo unveiled the new Ducati Multistrada in P2

[sstherockz]

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Guns started blazing out in Czech....

Fantastic Front row for the grid and to us to watch out for

Marquez
Rossi
Pedrosa

Though Marquez suffered a bit on Run 1 he grabbed the pole position in style.
Tough luck for KTM again with esaparago falling out in Q2.

[bharatheshk]

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What a race ,Marquez\Honda tactics & luck shine through to win the race by a mile .Pedrosa & Vinales complete the podium .Rossi messes up the tactics but finishes 4th.
Moto 2 -Tom Luthi wins a stop & start race while Morbidelli finishes outside the podium to make the championship interesting.

[Tanzing Sherpa]

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Talent,strategy,guts and luck seals the deal for Marquez. 2017 championship belongs to him. Rossi and his team needs to be more smarter if he ever wish to win a championship again. Was expecting something from Lorenzo but it didn't work out this time too. Was also expecting podium from Alexis espargaro but can't keep his race pace on the likes of pedrosa,MV,VR.

[sstherockz]

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Fantastic race it is always

Everyone made that one single mistake of going late to pit.

Rozzi, Zarco a big mistake of going very late to pit.

But at the end it was lone battle for Marc and separate battle for 2nd place.
Dashboard messages system should be installed on Factory Yammie bikes at least.

[The Monk]

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Interesting three races.

Joan Mir has shown that he is a cut above the rest and deserves to be Moto3 Champion this year. With 5 laps remaining it was obvious that Mir was biding his time and would eventually win the race. He is doing what Brad Binder did so successfully last year.

Luthi's victory coupled with Morbidelli's terrible race has made the championship far more interesting. Luthi would be thanking his lucky stars for the rain and red flag.

Fantastic riding by the MotoGP boys. Showing that even with Dashboard messages, it is still possible to mess up strategy Marquez does wonders on a wet track with slick tyres.

Lorenzo pitted after seeing his dashboard message and found his bike not ready and even then it had the incorrect settings. Folger pitted and found his bike not ready and had to go out again, wasting precious seconds and a possible shot at the podium. A. Espargaro knocked out Iannone in the pits

Quite entertaining overall. Now to the Red Bull Ring, a Ducati track?

[sstherockz]

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Lorenzo pitted after seeing his dashboard message and found his bike not ready and even then it had the incorrect settings. Folger pitted and found his bike not ready and had to go out again, wasting precious seconds and a possible shot at the podium. A. Espargaro knocked out Iannone in the pits

Quite entertaining overall. Now to the Red Bull Ring, a Ducati track?

Ducati has the advantage on Austrian track because of its straight speed and ring featuring two big straights, with only 10 turns.
But it all comes down to braking techniques anyway.

Let's see if Iannone can defend his winning streak he started in 2016 with Suzuki machine.

6 days to go