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So what I see as a conclusion is that Hero cannot go to european maker for JV as it will be too costly, cannot go for some other japanese maker. But I feel that buying out an european R&D may not be of great help. Hero needs bread n butter 100cc bikes. Its eitherway not too popular in performance segment except ZMA/ZMR. I wonder how some european R&D will be able to churn out reliable, cheap, rugged 100cc engine. So, I guess Hero may have to go all alone on their 100cc frontier.Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View PostHERO can take the easy way out by buying a European R&D.But if they get into a JV with any European brand their products won't be cheap, as European makers will never sell their products as cheaply as Japanese do.The branding and marketing strategy of European makers are totally different from Japanese makers and they wouldn't take it kindly to their brand value being diluted.
I am really looking forward to where Hero goes in the future. They have ruled the roost with legendary 97cc engine. Now that the legend subsides, what next?
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What I would say here.. It will be tough for Hero to have a synergy with any R&D organization by simply. Hero has been now into too much habit of living with Japanese culture. And the indelible imprints Honda has left in company is going to create a vacuum in the company which will either SUCK Hero into it.. or blast out Hero group. It will be like main pillar to organization is gone.
Let me explain it.. There are 2 partners. One is skilled at marketing products and another is skilled at making fantastic products. Both are dependent on each other. Now both branch out. The survival for the partner who is skilled in marketing is going to be tough.. because if you cant make products.. What will you market??
However the partner who can make fantastic products can still create a marketing team.. also product quality doesn't change.. in future more customers are going to switch onto this partner.. as they believe in this brand more.
What Hero has been till today.. has been because of Honda. Now when Honda isnt there.. It will be tough survival. After the end of JV.. The whole work culture shift in Hero Motorcycles is going to be a huge task as they have been totally dependent on Honda for even a screw.
Also we all are aware about the refinement on HONDA MADE.. Hero Honda Products. So lets say if they buy out some R&D firm in Europe.. Will that firm be able to match the legacy of Good products which Honda provided. Will the new products have that typical HONDA feel?? Oooppsss.. No way..Why Road Safety campaigns are not impacting people?
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So the general mood on this forum seems to be that "Hero is doomed" and nothing short of a miracle needed from that group to survive this test!! let's see.. I would love to watch Hero evolve and take this challenge head on..Let's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/
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I do not think Hero will sink that easily as majority of the people on this forum think. Most probably, Honda will still transfer technology to Hero at a price, if not new technology, the engines that Hero already got from Honda.
I am sure Hero, being a very big company, will have future plans already chalked out. The JV is going to end after 2014, and I am sure they have sufficient time to plan for the future.
As for Honda, unless they revamp their current dealership and network services, it is not going to be good for them.HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor
Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats
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Though that's a sensible move.. that would amount to saying that we don't know how to make engines on part of Hero group, they would be better off on their own .. more over I don't think Honda is that kind to help Hero maintain it's market share by giving it's technology.. however obsolete it is. The very motive of this move by Honda is to gain market share on it's own and to do that there should only be one brand using the technology, in this case that's Honda.. as far as I see.. only problem for Honda is capacity.. they are not making enough bikes/scooters as of now, but they've decent number of dealers on the ground.Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View PostI do not think Hero will sink that easily as majority of the people on this forum think. Most probably, Honda will still transfer technology to Hero at a price, if not new technology, the engines that Hero already got from Honda.
I am sure Hero, being a very big company, will have future plans already chalked out. The JV is going to end after 2014, and I am sure they have sufficient time to plan for the future.
As for Honda, unless they revamp their current dealership and network services, it is not going to be good for them.Let's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/
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JV with an European partner simply not viable as the Europeans don't know how to build small/efficienent/value for money products.
Bajaj-KTM is a different relationship. Bajaj has 36% stake in KTM and whatever products Bajaj will manufactuer with KTM will have the KTM badge and will command a premium like all KTM products.
A JV with BMW/Ducati sounds exciting but simply not practical.
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^^ the acheiver is nothing but an ambition chassis mated to the stock unicorn engine. I see no change in this iteration of the bike except for the new fangled APDV ASHD ADHJ stickersWhat do I intend to do? Stuff ZMR drivetrain into an Ambition chassis and watch others run scared!
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the achiever is better atleast then SZ because it's got 13.x bhp and disc in front....Originally posted by Manoj76 View Post^^ the acheiver is nothing but an ambition chassis mated to the stock unicorn engine. I see no change in this iteration of the bike except for the new fangled APDV ASHD ADHJ stickersDon't Honk Unnecessarily
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^^ Yes, I agree that the achiever is more 'loaded' than the SZ but my grouse with HH is their launching products with the "all new" tag when the reality is that they're nothing but sticker jobs.
Peace out, my friend
What do I intend to do? Stuff ZMR drivetrain into an Ambition chassis and watch others run scared!
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not only HH but TVS and Yamaha are also doing the same thing....Originally posted by Manoj76 View Post^^ Yes, I agree that the achiever is more 'loaded' than the SZ but my grouse with HH is their launching products with the "all new" tag when the reality is that they're nothing but sticker jobs.
Peace out, my friend
Don't Honk Unnecessarily
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If Hero does not have any backup planned in earlier years, then Hero would be the worst organized company in the world considering its volumes of sales and and the money they make. But It appears as highly impossible. I am sure that HERO has already had its own set of plans which they will implement once the official divorce has happened. If their High level management is not sleeping, they have already drawn the charts and prepared the strategies right at the time when HMSI came in light.
So..establishment-wise, there is no problem for HERO. They have huge base of customers, large network and nice good-will.
But how good will they survive without HONDA is the question? Thats the Managements headache to aquire a R&D or new JV, I have a bike from their company that I am extremely satisfied with and same with their After sales service, What they need to do is to keep the trust of its customers and make them AWARE of HERO brand (say launch Hero Puch again to start with) it was quite a popular two wheeler during its life time.
Hero might not worry on R&D wise with its experience in market and the money it has, only they need to know what to do at what time (i.e. launching of new markets, sadly it will be the sub 125cc market mostly
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Barring the looks, Achiver is an excellent bike for Daily city commuting and little power. HH has kept it in the low profile (mostly sold in rural markets) just for sake of Hunk and Xtreme.Originally posted by Manoj76 View Post^^ the acheiver is nothing but an ambition chassis mated to the stock unicorn engine. I see no change in this iteration of the bike except for the new fangled APDV ASHD ADHJ stickers2007 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2008 - Yamaha YZF R15
2009 - Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme
2013 - KTM 390 Duke
2017 - Yamaha FZ25
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