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**pp180** · 06-05-2011, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by captain koli View Post

"IKM"

india kawasaki motors dude

oops

missed to understand short form , Thanks .

**sauravalwaysurs** · 06-05-2011, 06:04 PM

"about four and a half lacs of rupees ex-showroom in pune, slightly lesser than GT 650"

these are the words of narrator in zig wheels video.. nice nice..

**satyenpoojary** · 06-05-2011, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

"Sports" category...

Q. What exactly makes a Bike wear that moniker called: "Sports"?

Q. Shouldn't "motocross" bikes which are made only for the "Motocross" competition deserve to be called as "Sports" Bikes?

Q. Should heavy/bulky bikes like the Honda VFR1200, Yamaha XJR 1300 be called as "Sports" Tourers as their designed for highway touring and NOT for any competitive "Sports".

"Sports" as it seems has broad meaning.

To me:

1. "Sports" means "Fun".

2. Not every bike needs to be a Race Track tool /Super Sports replica to be called a "Sports" Bike.

3. Not every bike needs "Split Seats", "Clip ons", "Full fairing' to be called a "Sports" Bike

Disagreed. I know a certain someone who "toured" the whole of India with his wife on a M80. Would that make the M80 a tourer because someone used it for that?
I know a handfull who tour on RTR, does that make it a touring bike? NO! It ATBEST makes it a 'touring' bike for them!

Sports - Bike : A bike used for the 'sports riding', typically on tarmac. Defined due to a variety of features. Some of them is the stance, the parts that provide it its agility and the performance at the engine AND on the braking.

MotoCross Bike DOES belong to a sports category. The category is better labelled as "Moto" or SuperMoto (Where Super uses almost the same logic as in a "Super" Bike

Then there are machines which are DESIGNED with the intention to be used in a dual form. Thus comes Sports+Touring, Sports+Street, Street+Moto

This Article written by you categorises is PERFECTLY:

403 Forbidden

http://www.2wheelsindia.com/2011/05/not-every-ktm-bike-is-off-roader.html

Cycling is ALSO a sport, but its not a Sports-Bike!
Lets start a new thread about this

Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post

250R RIP? No way

GT650R RIP? I think so. Perhaps the only reason people may prefer the GT is because it looks like a proper track tool (not too sure of that). My personal opinion is that the Kwacker is definitely more value for money, more fun per rupee and much better built.

I am not too sure of the 650R's "on track" capabilities. There would be people who ride this machine on the track and they might be good at it; but I feel that this is not a machine for the track. The 250R on the other hand is just right for the track; for people who want a machine for the track, this is it.
More than that, some of the people who bought the 250R stretched out their 1.5L budget to buy the Ninja. That particular audience may not stretch it out further.
I feel that the real tourers who buy this machine will love it for the stability, robustness, flexibility and speed. That plus, people who buy larger machines and prefer mid-category machines as their second choice, would love to have this Ninja parked in their garages

Nailed it! YOU my friend should write MORE often!

Originally posted by sauravalwaysurs View Post

"about four and a half lacs of rupees ex-showroom in pune, slightly lesser than GT 650"

these are the words of narrator in zig wheels video.. nice nice..

Damn interesting... a few days to go!

**payeng** · 06-06-2011, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

Sports - Bike : A bike used for the 'sports riding', typically on tarmac. Defined due to a variety of features. Some of them is the stance, the parts that provide it its agility and the performance at the engine AND on the braking.

Agreed...

1. I do not doubt the INTENT for which motorcycles are designed and hence categorized.

2. But then "desi" bikers usually narrow down the term "Sports" Bike with ones that have a full fairing (Clip ons or Split Seats etc) which is a very short sighted approach

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

MotoCross Bike DOES belong to a sports category. The category is better labelled as "Moto" or SuperMoto (Where Super uses almost the same logic as in a "Super" Bike

I do not think that there is an accepted category called "Moto".

According to what I know the term "Moto" in "Motocross" comes from "Motorcycle + Cross Country".. in which motorcycles were originally raced on off road tracks in (European) country sides.

Supermoto bikes have originally evolved out of a Sport called "SuperMoto" in which Off Road motorcycles are fitted with Slick Road Tyres and raced on a race track comprising of 80% tarmac and 20% slight off road portion.

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

This Article written by you categorises is PERFECTLY:
Not Every KTM Bike is an Off Roader | The Bike Chronicles of India

Lets start a new thread about this

Again agree..

**melroyal** · 06-06-2011, 12:34 PM

Speculation

Originally posted by sauravalwaysurs View Post

"about four and a half lacs of rupees ex-showroom in pune, slightly lesser than GT 650"

these are the words of narrator in zig wheels video.. nice nice..

Hi Saurav.
It would be nice if the pricing of ex-showroom is stated as above.
But we also need to keep in mind that these prices are not certain and the biker should wait on the officail confirmation by Bajaj PBK.
When the GT650R too was being launched a video review by our own xBhp staff members was done,which stated that the GT would be priced under 5Lacs on-road.But when the official prices were announced from Garware motors the on-road prices were around 5.5Lacs

**nagoo** · 06-06-2011, 12:57 PM

Don;t believe anyone till the official prices are out.

1. there won;t be any price cuts for GT650R
2. There won;t be any price cuts for N250R
3. There is no RIP for GT650R [there are plenty of ppl are still ready to buy even N650 price much below it]
4. there is no RIP for N250R [there are too many who like to own 250 than 650]
5. the N650 snatching of customers will be barely 5-10% from GT650R
6. both will sell and both comp will do good business.
7. GT650 will be a easy to maintain and economical bike .... and N650 will be premium and expensive bike in terms of maintainance [akin to CBR vs Ninja]

so relax ... don;t see that facts from ur own versions .. see it in broader version ...

bottomline is : if a certain characteristics are the criteria..then Ferrri, Austin martin, BMW all these sports cars doesn;t exists ... only one of them might have been the survivor

**riot** · 06-06-2011, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by nagoo View Post

Don;t believe anyone till the official prices are out.

1. there won;t be any price cuts for GT650R
2. There won;t be any price cuts for N250R
3. There is no RIP for GT650R [there are plenty of ppl are still ready to buy even N650 price much below it]
4. there is no RIP for N250R [there are too many who like to own 250 than 650]
5. the N650 snatching of customers will be barely 5-10% from GT650R
6. both will sell and both comp will do good business.
7. GT650 will be a easy to maintain and economical bike .... and N650 will be premium and expensive bike in terms of maintainance [akin to CBR vs Ninja]

so relax ... don;t see that facts from ur own versions .. see it in broader version ...

bottomline is : if a certain characteristics are the criteria..then Ferrri, Austin martin, BMW all these sports cars doesn;t exists ... only one of them might have been the survivor

But i hightly doubt the part of N650 Maintenance. Ninja 250 is cheap to maintain. After looking at how much maintenance a Comet requires compared to a N250, N650 will definitely be cheaper to maintain and will last longer than GT650.

Originally posted by zincha

Its Aston Martin.

And if u consider Hyosung as a premium brand i would definitely disagree..

All your above stated points directly or indirectly imbibe that another ''new'' bike would be better than these two GT650 and N650..

And that ''new'' bike in my opinion is a Yamaha R15 2011 (if launched)

No hardships though. You are allowed to express your opinion whole-heartedly

Are you really saying R15 will eat Hyosung and Kwackers market? ROFLMAO

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**ROCKRZ** · 06-06-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by zincha

Its Aston Martin.

And if u consider Hyosung as a premium brand i would definitely disagree..

All your above stated points directly or indirectly imbibe that another ''new'' bike would be better than these two GT650 and N650..

And that ''new'' bike in my opinion is a Yamaha R15 2011 (if launched)

No hardships though. You are allowed to express your opinion whole-heartedly

buddy, if you are kidding, please put smilies. or is it that i and the person above have misinterpretted you?

I am confused

with your last post. (I am not kidding)

**nagoo** · 06-06-2011, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by zincha

Its Aston Martin.

And if u consider Hyosung as a premium brand i would definitely disagree..

All your above stated points directly or indirectly imbibe that another ''new'' bike would be better than these two GT650 and N650..

And that ''new'' bike in my opinion is a Yamaha R15 2011 (if launched)

No hardships though. You are allowed to express your opinion whole-heartedly

sorry buddy .. i am not aware wt ur trying to say .. but i didn;t have any view on new R15.. in this thread .

Originally posted by riot View Post

But i hightly doubt the part of N650 Maintenance. Ninja 250 is cheap to maintain. After looking at how much maintenance a Comet requires compared to a N250, N650 will definitely be cheaper to maintain and will last longer than GT650.

Are you really saying R15 will eat Hyosung and Kwackers market? ROFLMAO

.

i don;t agree with the part of maintenance of N650 will be cheaper than GT... and i don;t think N250 is any way cheaper in terms of spares and parts ... in 250 category... bajaj intentionally placed Green @ higher side ... u can even import comet parts from Thailand for much cheaper than N250 parts available in india ..

can't believe me ..just check with comet owners ... u have to accept the fact that Greens are placed much higher price tag to project its image of posh bike in affordable category.. [N650 price i have not included ..as i don;t trust source ..untill official pricing]

and about last longer bike ....trust me ..its depends solly on owners care ..

**The Bad Wolf** · 06-06-2011, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by nagoo View Post

5. the N650 snatching of customers will be barely 5-10% from GT650R

Now where did you pull out that stat from? you read some research or market study or something?

I find it pretty amusing that people start quoting numbers without any basis or underlying facts.

5-10%... the top end of the estimation is double of the lower end... LOL... just LOL.

**nagoo** · 06-06-2011, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by The Bad Wolf View Post

Now where did you pull out that stat from? you read some research or market study or something?

I find it pretty amusing that people start quoting numbers without any basis or underlying facts.

5-10%... the top end of the estimation is double of the lower end... LOL... just LOL.

Lol... its always need not to be market research ... some times a little COMMON SENSE will shows lot of things

if u need stats .. just check the whole xbhp u'll come to know how many shifted there choice to N650 and Vice-versa

**saipranav** · 06-06-2011, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by nagoo View Post

Lol... its always need not to be market research ... some times a little COMMON SENSE will shows lot of things

if u need stats .. just check the whole xbhp u'll come to know how many shifted there choice to N650 and Vice-versa

Just a doubt... do you even know how much(or how many people) is/are5-10% here?

Typing in random figure just by watching posts on xbhp is kind of lame dude

**The Bad Wolf** · 06-06-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by nagoo View Post

Lol... its always need not to be market research ... some times a little COMMON SENSE will shows lot of things

if u need stats .. just check the whole xbhp u'll come to know how many shifted there choice to N650 and Vice-versa

If your were using the said common sense then you would have never quoted any figures. you could have gotten away by saying something pretty subjective... but you chose to quote hard numbers... that too with a huge amount of variability.

and why would i check on xbhp members shifting their choices?... i'm not the one spewing random numbers... you are! so you go ahead and prove your numbers right my friend.

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

Just a doubt... do you even know how much(or how many people) is/are5-10% here?

Typing in random figure just by watching posts on xbhp is kind of lame dude

+1 ... well said.
It is just plain laughable when people start pulling numbers out of the air.

**satyenpoojary** · 06-06-2011, 07:12 PM

Emperical science have confirmed that the Ninja 650 will eat (10^4/10.1)*(878-98/cos(80)*sin(90)) share of the GT650.
Share. GT650. You kidding me

The set of customers who will buy the GT is 'different' from the set of customers who will buy the N650! in the 500-800cc class, I predict Royal enfield will be the most selling in that class!

**ROCKRZ** · 06-06-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

Emperical science have confirmed that the Ninja 650 will eat (10^4/10.1)*(878-98/cos(80)*sin(90)) share of the GT650.
Share. GT650. You kidding me

btw, as per your formula, ninja will eat (-ve) infinite % of the gt share! lol

(yup i have the time to calculate that shit)

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

The set of customers who will buy the GT is 'different' from the set of customers who will buy the N650! in the 500-800cc class, I predict Royal enfield will be the most selling in that class!

hey, how dare you challenge the hunto? bajaj p 220 sells 5 times more than any other sports bike. dare you mock not that bike

edit: I think we will go ot very soon.

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