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  • Originally posted by jigar2speed View Post
    Dude, i have done it in past and whatever you are talking about is not entirely true, yes the top speed is affected, but that is hardly 5KMPH. BTW, if you don't believe me there is one video link in youtube, where you can see a drag race between R15 and Old P220, R15 wins and is also without fairing.
    I too have a video of a drag race between a 220/ZMA/R15... My 220 was atleast 10 bike length's ahead of the R15

    So what? We all know how capable each bike is...

    But specifically on the R15 the top speed is greatly affected by the fairing! Its a "feature" most other bike's don't have ... 'aerodynamics'!


    Anyways, we are going grossly OT in the context of the thread
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    • With a Legendary brands like Splendor/Pulsar its a BIG dilemma on how to take it to the next level.

      Internal and machine upgrades are always welcome but they always remain under the skin/design. Real challenge comes with the styling. Mess up with the original style/design and there is a big risk of losing the fan/customer base, who might reject the new design.

      One of the recent example is the new Suzuki Swift. The new swift is an all new development on a totally new platform. But Suzuki probably got cold feet to mess up with the original design. As a result of which the new Swift ends up looking almost like the older one.

      Will Bajaj take a safe route and not mess with the Pulsar design/styling too much? Or is there a need for a totally fresh design? But would it risk alienating the customer base of the Pulsar?



      Last edited by payeng; 10-01-2011, 01:47 AM.

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      • Originally posted by payeng View Post
        R15 owner's.. anyone done that?




        Ironically that's also the story how Streetfighters came into existence.

        Back in the 80's European bikers with faired sports bikes started removing the full fairings and installed taller handle bars.. but the difference was that they did it so that the bikes became "Stunt" friendly.

        Slowly bike makers realized that there was a market for something called "Street fighters".



        Xionite have put R15 fairing on his P180 UGIII. He had claimed increased in top speed by 25 !! It touches the same top speed that of R15 (on speedo off course). But still 15% proportional increase in top speed is a lot.
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        • One of my friend was about to buy a Pulsar 150 i told him to wait for a month or two uptill the launch of the new Pulsars. But he insisted on buying current one. The owner of the dealership happens to be my friend too, i asked him whether the new Pulsars are around the corner or not. He replied that new ones wont be here till March 2012 and the Katoom will there only by June 2012.
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          • Originally posted by jasmeetsinghchawla View Post
            One of my friend was about to buy a Pulsar 150 i told him to wait for a month or two uptill the launch of the new Pulsars. But he insisted on buying current one. The owner of the dealership happens to be my friend too, i asked him whether the new Pulsars are around the corner or not. He replied that new ones wont be here till March 2012 and the Katoom will there only by June 2012.
            I beg to disagree, especially the Katoom would be here sooner than later. Possibly before New Pulsar. Dont be surprised if you hear an announcement late dec this year. Just want to confirm, is the dealer who gave you info is a probiking one?
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            • whats katoom ??
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              • Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                whats katoom ??
                KTM




                Imaginary Sketch of the new Pulsar published by BSM:





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                • Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                  whats katoom ??
                  KaaTooM my friend.
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                  • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                    KTM




                    Imaginary Sketch of the new Pulsar published by BSM:




                    feels like P135 design
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                    • Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                      feels like P135 design
                      hope this will not the next gen pulsar...it is almost carry the 135 parts..many of pulsar lover may not like that...
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                      • Newly designed pulsars will sell like anything.. its a guarantee.
                        If 'pulsar' is engraved on the tank..
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                        • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          With a Legendary brands like Splendor/Pulsar its a BIG dilemma on how to take it to the next level.

                          Internal and machine upgrades are always welcome but they always remain under the skin/design. Real challenge comes with the styling. Mess up with the original style/design and there is a big risk of losing the fan/customer base, who might reject the new design.

                          One of the recent example is the new Suzuki Swift. The new swift is an all new development on a totally new platform. But Suzuki probably got cold feet to mess up with the original design. As a result of which the new Swift ends up looking almost like the older one.

                          Will Bajaj take a safe route and not mess with the Pulsar design/styling too much? Or is there a need for a totally fresh design? But would it risk alienating the customer base of the Pulsar?



                          My take on this is simple,
                          If the New bike is going to be extremely radical like Bajaj claims.
                          Bury the name Pulsar now. Bury the design cues as well.

                          The "Brand personality" of Pulsar (with or without Bajaj name on it) is a 'value for money performance bike'
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                          • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            With a Legendary brands like Splendor/Pulsar its a BIG dilemma on how to take it to the next level.

                            Internal and machine upgrades are always welcome but they always remain under the skin/design. Real challenge comes with the styling. Mess up with the original style/design and there is a big risk of losing the fan/customer base, who might reject the new design.

                            One of the recent example is the new Suzuki Swift. The new swift is an all new development on a totally new platform. But Suzuki probably got cold feet to mess up with the original design. As a result of which the new Swift ends up looking almost like the older one.

                            Will Bajaj take a safe route and not mess with the Pulsar design/styling too much? Or is there a need for a totally fresh design? But would it risk alienating the customer base of the Pulsar?


                            My take! Do a VW Beetle!

                            Everything is ground up new, but the classic cues have still been retained!

                            The most important thing Bajaj should be looking at this point of time :-

                            1. Getting the bike's frame/suspension right - Dynamics is what kills the Pulsars!
                            2. Metallurgy needs improvement - The Bajaj engines now at the end of 10 years are nearing the point of being called bulletproof. But the metallurgy bit needs to take jump forward now to really qualify for the 'bullet' proof tag.

                            Agreed the design is what is going to create the mass market appeal, but if they get the above two functional bits spot on, Bajaj will have a winner in their hands!
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                            • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                              My take on this is simple,
                              If the New bike is going to be extremely radical like Bajaj claims.
                              Bury the name Pulsar now. Bury the design cues as well.
                              That would be sucidal..

                              ..that's like asking Hero to bury the Splendor, Honda to ditch it's Activa or Maruti/Suzuki to forget its Alto and Swift.


                              Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                              The "Brand personality" of Pulsar (with or without Bajaj name on it) is a 'value for money performance bike
                              Agree.


                              Originally posted by Praful View Post
                              My take! Do a VW Beetle!

                              Everything is ground up new, but the classic cues have still been retained!
                              Yep, even with Pulsars seen at every nook and corner of the country, the shape and design of the Pulsars are still unique.. the Pulsar 200/180 UGIV/220 S being the most handsome design so far.

                              The Pulsar cues should definitely be retained.


                              Originally posted by Praful View Post
                              The most important thing Bajaj should be looking at this point of time :-

                              1. Getting the bike's frame/suspension right - Dynamics is what kills the Pulsars!
                              2. Metallurgy needs improvement - The Bajaj engines now at the end of 10 years are nearing the point of being called bulletproof. But the metallurgy bit needs to take jump forward now to really qualify for the 'bullet' proof tag.

                              Agreed the design is what is going to create the mass market appeal, but if they get the above two functional bits spot on, Bajaj will have a winner in their hands!
                              +1

                              If overall quality does not improve then it would not be a 100% upgrade but just cosmetic change.

                              I am sure everything will turn up for the better. After all the Next Gen is supposed to have KTM DNA in it.




                              Last edited by payeng; 10-02-2011, 12:02 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                                My take on this is simple,
                                If the New bike is going to be extremely radical like Bajaj claims.
                                Bury the name Pulsar now. Bury the design cues as well.

                                The "Brand personality" of Pulsar (with or without Bajaj name on it) is a 'value for money performance bike'
                                Negative. The 'pulsar' branding should be there. That alone can make business even if the styling get messed up. As for the cues, a change in the tank and headlamp design is am must. The side and rear panels can be altered, still retaining the basic theme. I believe that the designs of the crankcase and footpeg holders may remain untouched in the metallic grey colour.

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