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" " So what ? Everyday many road accidents happen in india and many people die! every day! so what is so great about this ? ffice
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Just because he was Azharuddin's son ? or because he was riding a super bike ?>>
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I think many forum members have lost their relatives/distant relatives in a road accident. They never created so much fuss about this, never wowed to change RTO rules , challenged bike companies ... So why now ????>>
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Any why not every day ? Why dont we follow everyday what we are preaching now , after the young boy is dead, may be he went on to become the captain of Indian cricket team.>>
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Just requesting mods to close this thread (I hate to think in such callous terms) but please stop dealing in human misery.>>
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All this is because, when I lost 2 of my good friends to a motorcycle accident, they were not sons of people who are currently in power in the Parliament. There has to be a tipping point for everything. Even a volcano doesn't erupt everyday.Originally posted by CultOfTheDeadCow View Post"Azharuddin’s son seriously injured in road accident " So what ? Everyday many road accidents happen in india and many people die! every day! so what is so great about this ? ffice
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Just because he was Azharuddin's son ? or because he was riding a super bike ?>>
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I think many forum members have lost their relatives/distant relatives in a road accident. They never created so much fuss about this, never wowed to change RTO rules , challenged bike companies ... So why now ????>>
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Any why not every day ? Why dont we follow everyday what we are preaching now , after the young boy is dead, may be he went on to become the captain of Indian cricket team.>>
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Just requesting mods to close this thread (I hate to think in such callous terms) but please stop dealing in human misery.>>
I could use your reasoning and say Corruption has been there in the country for the last 64 years. Why only take a stand when AnnaJi did something about it? Why only vow/fast/protest to get the rules implemented now?
Even if we follow what we are preaching, I cannot guarantee that my next door neighbor would. Unless there is a training mechanism in place, you really cannot punish kids with their lives. A lost life is a lost life anyday and hence is an irreplaceable loss whether it may be Azharuddin's son or anybody else.
P.S.: I just realized that posting here is useless to this cause. Lets see what the rest of the motorhead community feels about what I posted.Last edited by antz.bin; 09-13-2011, 03:43 PM.Advice is a form of nostalgia.
Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
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+1 Well said.Originally posted by antz.bin View PostOK.. Enough of *****ing about the poor boy. I may be putting it very bluntly here, but it is highly unlikely that the boy will live a NORMAL life after such a horrific accident. The poor kid did not have a pulse or a heartbeat when he made it to the hospital and has been on life support for over 48 hours. Most of us here are over 19 years and have been 19 year olds ourselves. I, at 19, was the most irresponsible of riders and would never wear a helmet. In fact I never wore a helmet regularly for 1 month straight prior to joining xBHP. But with age came experience, maturity and responsibility. *Since nobody professional was present to teach me this.*
The point here is, there is no framework in this great nation where we can get formal training on handling such beasts of machines which are capable of killing us within seconds of starting up
. At the very least, we have car driving schools which teach us basics of driving a car and basic safety procedures to follow. They may do a very terrible job at doing it, but at least they are present and widespread.
Instead of burdening the manufacturer or the govt. with such a responsibility, the one which should be coming into action is the insurance companies. They are the ones affected by such crashes the second most (after the families involved). The least they could do is start a mandatory certification course to be taken before the owner can get their bikes insured. Also, in the even that they crash, they can have the right to deny a claim if the person riding was not holding a similar certificate.
Assuming Azharuddin (or any other Mr.DhannaSeth) gifted the bike to his teen-aged son and got it registered in his own name, the aforementioned rule would make him complete the said certification course before he can get his bike insured. When he gets down to doing this course, he would also understand its benefits and would urge his son, the eventual 'major user' of the bike to also take the course voluntarily in the interest of safety / an insurance claim if it comes to that.
If such a proposal is implemented by the private/PSU insurance companies (not RTO), (in partnership with the SBK manufacturers, with the cost of the course 'included' in the price of the bike if the registered owner doesn't possess such a certificate beforehand) It can be implemented much faster.
I urge the mods and the whoz who of xBHP to please compose a mass letter in this regard and mail it to Hon. MP Mohd. Azharuddin and the transport minister (whoever that may be) since they are the people affected / concerned who can help this in getting implemented. I know this suggestion will attract flak from existing SBK owners as they will have to bear the extra cost of this training certificate. But we must not forget, this is all for the greater good, for a safer tomorrow for us and our loved ones.
P.S.: Please don't assume that only the SBK owners are affected parties in this scenario here. I would not want myself / my loved ones to become a road-hit victim being hit by an immature+untrained 18 year old riding his superbike at 2xxkmph for the first time on a public road. Controlling these bikes needs training and there are no 2 ways about it.
I think this topic deserves a new thread. Comments, if any are welcome.
I would hate to see Sachin's/Ganguly's/Dravid's/ any other rich man's young boy in a similar situation a few years down the line.Signals which are timed for 50 Kmph are also timed for 100 Kmph :)
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I said "rich kids" which means rich+underage people who are not experienced enough, like...Originally posted by tibby View PostFunny!! These aren't mutually exclusive sets.
You do have rich kids who are passionate, responsible, experienced, learned bikers.
& why not have non-passionate, non-responsible, non-experienced & non-learned bikers!! What's wrong with learning on a superbike in a controlled environment if one wants to. One is not born with the knowledge of having learnt to handle a superbike, like you think they should be.
There is such a paradox in this post!! You blame everyone, & say people shouldn't blame others.
(I ain't supporting a blame game here though. Just that your post is not having a clear message)
Secondly, the outer ring road mentioned is anything, BUT a "controlled environment". Learning is a gradual process, starting from basic machinery. Even when flying, you get a single engine plane first, then you move on to faster and better planes. Start with a superbike, and you're more likely to have a tough time managing it...
And the Paradox was intentional. By blaming everyone involved, I'm trying to prove that blaming others is not going to cut it as everyone I mentioned is responsible in varying degrees. You can't punish them all, can you?
"Instead of blaming others, stand up and do something" was my point. Tibby, if you're from a big city/ metro, Why don't YOU raise this issue in your next G2G with senior members, and initiate to offer training to new Sbk owners by existing ones from Xbhp, with Dealer's collaboration and support?
If that actually happens, you would actually be contributing rather than "foruming" the issue...Last edited by Samarth 619; 09-13-2011, 06:43 PM.---
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this article seems to be sensible...
The Hindu : States / Andhra Pradesh : Azhar?s son critically injured in accident
it seems that Ayaz lost control when the surface beneath the wheels changed and skidded off the road.. very sad... i guess he was riding at relatively lesser speed by looking at the condition of the bike...
i pray to god for his speedy recovery...A crash on d road may kill d biker n d bike, but d relationship btwn d bike n d biker never dies.
Its only next to d relationship btwn d mother n her baby.
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Yes, this article seems to be a sensible one. Cemented roads do not offer the same amount of grip as tarmac. It's even more dangerous to ride on wet cemented roads. Cemented roads last longer but the ride quality offered by well constructed tarmac roads is unbeatable.Originally posted by nagsgwda007 View Postthis article seems to be sensible...
The Hindu : States / Andhra Pradesh : Azhar?s son critically injured in accident
it seems that Ayaz lost control when the surface beneath the wheels changed and skidded off the road.. very sad... i guess he was riding at relatively lesser speed by looking at the condition of the bike...
i pray to god for his speedy recovery...Signals which are timed for 50 Kmph are also timed for 100 Kmph :)
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i don't understand that why can't we just pray for his quick recovery??? Is that something big? and what are we discussing here - which bike it was, r1, gsxr, K - 9, K - 10, what speed he was, he did'nt had riding sense, who the hell are we to judge??? do we know him personally so that we can judge his riding abilities and sense - NO!!!
And please don't tell that given a chance to ride a superbike you won't cross 150kmph...atleast i can't stop myself, if this guy would have made it into some kind of international racing scene then we the people of xbhp would have praised him for starting to ride so early, just as we currently do with the GP riders.
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The average IQ level at xBhp has gone to a all time low. Ban me for saying this, but its true.
Every kid here thinks that they are the perfect bikers with no respect to others (of course you could add me in the later group of with-no-respect!)
Yes, there was an accident
Yes, it was a super bike
Yes, it was some error 'machine' or the 'man', or may be the 'environment' behind it
Playing a blame game doesnt help. Your 2 cents of advocacy doesnt help either. Your call for action (and JUST a call) doesnt help either.
We at mumbai+pune realised this some time back, and pledged 100% compliance in enforcing a riding gear protocol. It has reached a level where we are even sharing extra gears with people, obtaining discounts through bulk orders and helping every other member.
THIS is NOT the thread to discuss that. Your analysis of the issue stays on a thread where families are involved, people have been hurt, and this nonsense anlalysis paralysis goes to further hurt thier wounds.
He might have erred, but you have no rights to brand him a rich spoilt brat or anything! How is he any different from any of you who constantly flout the Indian road speed limits??
Cut the discussion. Take it your individual regions offline thread, learn from the incident, implement corrective actions IN YOUR respective societies. Sounds difficult, but trust me there are groups in mumbai who dont want to be a part of xBhp rides ONLY because of our strict impossition on riding gear rules.
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What a missile being launched. LOVED the BOLD partsOriginally posted by satyenpoojary View PostThe average IQ level at xBhp has gone to a all time low. Ban me for saying this, but its true.
Every kid here thinks that they are the perfect bikers with no respect to others (of course you could add me in the later group of with-no-respect!)
Yes, there was an accident
Yes, it was a super bike
Yes, it was some error 'machine' or the 'man', or may be the 'environment' behind it
Playing a blame game doesnt help. Your 2 cents of advocacy doesnt help either. Your call for action (and JUST a call) doesnt help either.
We at mumbai+pune realised this some time back, and pledged 100% compliance in enforcing a riding gear protocol. It has reached a level where we are even sharing extra gears with people, obtaining discounts through bulk orders and helping every other member.
THIS is NOT the thread to discuss that. Your analysis of the issue stays on a thread where families are involved, people have been hurt, and this nonsense anlalysis paralysis goes to further hurt thier wounds.
He might have erred, but you have no rights to brand him a rich spoilt brat or anything! How is he any different from any of you who constantly flout the Indian road speed limits??
Cut the discussion. Take it your individual regions offline thread, learn from the incident, implement corrective actions IN YOUR respective societies. Sounds difficult, but trust me there are groups in mumbai who dont want to be a part of xBhp rides ONLY because of our strict impossition on riding gear rules.
- My prayer for the poor kid, I hope he survives, I hope he realizes the issues around Indian motorcycling, While the poor me shall do what I can do about it, I hope the rich and the powerful also contribute to the cause!
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SaiPranav and Satyen, Guys you two particularly make me proud with your commonsensical no-bull$hit no-prisoners approach to move forward.
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I hope he gets well soon and recovers is a proper manner. I know his life is changed forever now. The physical scars may heal with time but the mental ones can never be healed. Even I have fallen down from my first bike, although its my first and only fall in 2.5 years of biking and I didnt even get a scratch, it wasnt my mistake as well but still that fear is there in my mind everytime I insert the key as well as everytime I press the rear brake of both of my bikes very hard.
May God grant peace to the deceased soul and help his family.
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totally agree.Originally posted by saipranav View PostI really feel sick after reading the comments on this thread... first of all i dont believe the accident happened completely due to his mistake, i have passed on that road many times (yes,bikes are not allowed on it), around 50 meters of the either side of the toll gates are cement road and most of the toll gates are surrounded with lot of sand... it was just bad luck that he crashed...
Times of India reported that the crash was at 200kmph... **** them... were they present at the crash site with a speed gun?
I dont think the crash was even 100kmph... if anyone crashes a bike to a toll gate at that kind of speed, the bike would have went spinning in the air and it would have ended up in bits and pieces, but we can clearly see that even the fairing isnt damaged totally...
I dont think anybody here has a ****ing right to judge him or his parents(i'm saying this even when i hate azhar as a politician)... If you want to judge, go judge yourself and your family members... if you think you are perfect, go see a psychiatrist... the last thing people want after an accident is some lame ass idiot judging who is right and who is wrong...
And finally, when a luxury bike/car is involved in an accident, it does not mean that they are travelling at mind boggling speeds... i have seen countless articles in news papers where old worthless jeeps which have met with accidents and all the people in it have died...
From the bike's condition it looks like accident must have happened below 100 KPH. In India people always have something against bigger or better things than what they own. Most of the times reality is shadowed by non technical assumptions.
If this was happened with 100cc bike, all would have started blaming the roads and system. And why shouldn't a 19 year old kid ride 1000cc? What makes 23-25 year guy more mature than him considering nobody takes training of how to drive anything.
Age of 18, 19 is more suitable for learning such bikes. If you think otherwise then please care to explain me why the **** motoGP's only indian face hasn't even crossed 18.
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