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  • payeng
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    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Deep down in my heart, I want TVS to come with a nice response to the P200NS,
    I am afraid that the promised 350 cc would be ready from BAL by then

    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    I am just venting out my frustration at TVS, they can deliver a lot better products. Seriously they need some young guns in the management.
    Touche



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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Deep down in my heart, I want TVS to come with a nice response to the P200NS, I am just venting out my frustration at TVS, they can deliver a lot better products. Seriously they need some young guns in the management.
    +1
    Originally posted by Ivin View Post
    So guys, what in the hell was this thing... Just another photoshopped image??
    another photo-shop work,the head-lamp does look good but dis-proportionate.
    Originally posted by payeng View Post
    But in the process, it could appear that TVS is again following the competition.

    Having said that TVS needs to be commended for trying new tech ABS and that too with not too big profits from their 2 wheeler sales.
    actually it has always been like that,bajaj makes the move,tvs follows.

    kudos to tvs for bringing abs to such low cc bike.

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  • Ivin
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    So guys, what in the hell was this thing... Just another photoshopped image??

    I know this has been a long time since the pic was on the net , but I remember I also saw some tech specs like 30bhp and 250cc..???

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  • bprags
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    Originally posted by payeng View Post
    Don't write TVS off.
    Deep down in my heart, I want TVS to come with a nice response to the P200NS, I am just venting out my frustration at TVS, they can deliver a lot better products. Seriously they need some young guns in the management.

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  • payeng
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    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Lets put it this way TVS has lost it, they never have a plan B like Bajaj has.

    Don't write TVS off. If the response to the new Pulsar 200NS (and future models like the announced 350 cc) is good, then am sure TVS would also follow suit with next generation RTR's.

    But in the process, it could appear that TVS is again following the competition.

    Having said that TVS needs to be commended for trying new tech like clutchless transmission, ABS and the announced hybrid tech and automatic transmission for scooters & bikes.. that too with not too big profits from their 2 wheeler sales.



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  • bprags
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    Originally posted by payeng View Post


    Yes, but probably nobody expected a liquid cooled engine + a perimeter frame on the new Pulsar.
    The liquid cooled engine was a given, since Bajaj had already told about engine sharing with KTM, what probably caught TVS off guard was may be the power output of 23 horses and off course the perimeter frame. Competition is really good or else TVS would still be selling the 4 geared Fiero with tweaks here and there. Lets put it this way TVS has lost it, they never have a plan B like Bajaj has, I still dont understand why they are still selling flop product like the Flame, they should have stopped selling it long time back [no plan B]. Look at Bajaj XCD, it flopped, they withdrew it and put the same engine in the discover and it is a success, perfect example of responding to market.

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  • payeng
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    Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
    One reason TVS is not being able to do that what Bajaj did because they do not have strong technical partnerships, so much experience like Bajaj and a big R&D center what Bajaj has.

    But the main reason why TVS is not being able to carry it on because of huge profit difference. TVS net profit after tax this quarter was 55crores which is not big enough for carrying out vast RnDs. In comparison Bajaj's profit was around 800crores so they can afford to carry out big RnDs. Also Bajaj earns quite well since they have 40% stakes in Duke and 20% in Kawasaki so money is what matters.
    Bajaj does have around 40% stake in KTM but Kawasaki..?? Nah..

    Developing a completely new motorcycle (like the P200NS) would be a huge task and would require focus and investment in time & resource for any R&D.

    The R&D of TVS might be very busy with so many different kind of projects it is working on. For Eg: Scooters (for India), Step Thru's (for Indonesia), technologies like clutchless gear motorcycle, ABS and recently announced automatic transmission (not the usual CVT currently found on scooters) for 2 wheelers.. etc.

    Developing a completely new flagship motorcycle would be a big deal for a stretched R&D. Still am sure that it might be a bit late but TVS will follow Bajaj and will eventually bring out the next Gen Apache RTR.




    Last edited by payeng; 03-04-2012, 12:15 PM.

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  • Enthusiastic
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    Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
    That asides Bajaj has set THE benchmark on how a flagship model should be upgraded. Can TVS do that? I dont know!
    One reason TVS is not being able to do that what Bajaj did because they do not have strong technical partnerships, so much experience like Bajaj and a big R&D center what Bajaj has.

    But the main reason why TVS is not being able to carry it on because of huge profit difference. TVS net profit after tax this quarter was 55crores which is not big enough for carrying out vast RnDs. In comparison Bajaj's profit was around 800crores so they can afford to carry out big RnDs. Also Bajaj earns quite well since they have 40% stakes in Duke and 20% in Kawasaki so money is what matters.

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  • payeng
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    Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
    hmm,gotta be.it has hit there mind that merely a face-lift is not gonna boost up the sales of rtr,they are going down,honda has overtaken them,they need a complete re-engineering for their flagship model.
    A flagship model usually is for building the "halo" around the brand.

    TVS probably faces the dilemma of whether to invest time/resource on a flagship brand or instead do something about the models which bring in the sales numbers (its scooters, its Mopeds and the commuter Star/Sport models).

    (Apart from combined Scooters+Motorcyle numbers) HMSI has also overtaken TVS in motorcycle sales (according to Feb 2012 numbers).



    Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
    It could very well be. And if it is so, shame on TVS to have been caught off guard. Bajaj had made it adequately clear that the new pulsar will share the jazz with KTM. And the Duke 125 showed its prowess a LONG while back. So what the Pulsar could get was adequately clear!

    That asides Bajaj has set THE benchmark on how a flagship model should be upgraded. Can TVS do that? I dont know!
    Yes, but probably nobody expected a liquid cooled engine + a perimeter frame on the new Pulsar.



    Originally posted by raja_roadster View Post
    but still i love the way a A160 cuts through city traffic than the pulsar 150 which is no were near the apache in handling terms .
    Why do you think a perimeter frame makes it appearance on the new Pulsar? Every magazine is going go ga on the handling of the new Pulsar.

    I would like to see TVS put a perimeter or trellis frame on its flagship for its next "major" upgrade.








    Last edited by payeng; 03-03-2012, 11:14 PM.

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  • raja_roadster
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    The tvs guys have planned for a hybrid scooter launch later this year i think this will be a good new market with the ever rising fuel prices back to discussion the pulsar has evolved from 13bhp to current 15bhp on the 150cc engine capacity itself tvs all it did was bore extra 10cc on the existing mill and 17 more cc for the A180 i dont think this as much of an upgrade tvs has to think about their strategy ;but still i love the way a A160 cuts through city traffic than the pulsar 150 which is no were near the apache in handling terms .

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  • satyenpoojary
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    Originally posted by payeng View Post
    Autocar India had reported about revised RTR back in Nov 2011: SCOOP! TVS to launch revised Apache RTR - News - Autocar India

    Is the delay the "200NS" effect?



    It could very well be. And if it is so, shame on TVS to have been caught off guard. Bajaj had made it adequately clear that the new pulsar will share the jazz with KTM. And the Duke 125 showed its prowess a LONG while back. So what the Pulsar could get was adequately clear!

    That asides Bajaj has set THE benchmark on how a flagship model should be upgraded. Can TVS do that? I dont know!

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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post
    they say that RTR sells more,
    obviously rtr sells more ,i tried to say that it is selling in less numbers compared to the previous months,will try to get the figures.

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  • prateek2210
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    Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
    i have been to tvs dealership 2 weeks ago,they said rtr sale is less these days,people are more interested in wego,scooty and star city.
    I have a good rapport with NCR SVCs, here they say that RTR sells more, so which one would you believe, sales also depends on areas, people , not saying that you are wrong even. Get the numbers, let them speak. Period
    Last edited by prateek2210; 03-03-2012, 02:21 PM.

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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post
    Can you explain the bold part here?
    i have been to tvs dealership 2 weeks ago,they said rtr sale is less these days,people are more interested in wego,scooty and star city.
    rtr is there without a face-lift probably for 4 years.i don't want a sticker job like hyper-edge,i want the rtr to sell more than pulsar.

    about honda overtaking tvs and falling short of overtaking bajaj,the figures are factory despatches figure,read somewhere inventories are piling up at dealership.
    Last edited by sayank10; 03-03-2012, 02:17 PM.

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  • prateek2210
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    Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
    hmm,gotta be.it has hit there mind that merely a face-lift is not gonna boost up the sales of rtr,they are going down,honda has overtaken them,they need a complete re-engineering for their flagship model.
    Can you explain the bold part here?
    No doubt Honda is leading in the sales figures but how can you be so sure for "RTR" sales, do you have any insider there?
    By the way found this, just to let know that the rat race will always be there, someday one company would be leading, next day you might find the same company in a different position

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