I think TVS is just trying to be different from others and busy in creating new categories for itself and excel in it. Or can i say they are investing in new virigin areas where there is no competition. And by the time competition catches up in these areas they would have moved the benchmark still further.
From the simple mopeds(heard of ongoing project to improvise mopeds) to the different Jive, ABS on motorcycles and now with the two wheeler hybrids and new automatic technology. Atleast they are thinking to challenge the Honda in scooters category.
I wish them all the best to excel in these new categories of two wheelers.
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Have to agree. Recently TVS showcased new automatic transmission technology. I too think TVS RnD is very much active, just that in a different direction. With Bajaj launching Pulsar 200NS, expectations are very high now and it will be difficult for TVS to match up. Lets wait and see how potent 200NS actually (on road) is and that may be a guiding stone for TVS.Originally posted by bprags View PostLeave a comment:
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leaving aside the finer details, what the whole discussion boils down to is that TVS is taking far too long to respond to a market thats maturing very very quickly. The first mover advantage means a lot in this kind of a market and TVS isn't even the second here.
There are umpteen reasons why TVS couldn't keep up but thats a separate thread in itself. What matters is the fact that it didn't and now it really needs to dig in deep to be counted as a worthy contender.Leave a comment:
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Sweeping Statements. Kindly do a background check before making such statements.Originally posted by ceebeer View Post
Here is proof that TVS did take help from else where too after their break up with Suzuki.
[1] TVS + AVL of Austria
Link: TVS MOTOR COMPANY
The new four stroke 125 cc Flame, fires up a revolutionary three-valve engine, which is propelled by Controlled Combustion Variable Timing Intelligent (CC-VTi) technology. Developed by the R&D team at TVS Motor Company in collaboration with AVL, Austria,
[2] TVS + Engines Engineering of Italy
Link: TVS Motor launches 3 racing bikes - Economic Times
The company has produced six bikes (for motocross racing), three of the TVS 125 X, two TVS 250 X and one of the TVS 400 FX models. The bikes have been developed jointly by the research and development wing of TVS Motor and its offshore consulting institution, Engines Engineering of Italy.
[3] TVS + Ricardo of UK
Link: http://www.mopedriders.org/viewtopic...cb0fd180fbbd60
“It is too expensive to get the vehicles designed abroad. We work with companies like Ricardo and AVL. But we have to be selective about what we take from them. We use the overseas expertise for fine-tuning,” says Srinivasan.
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It's the other way around.But,what nithesh said is right,TVS don't outsource technology/engines from other.They make their own bikes,and TVS was the first company to make a fully indigenous bike in India.I don't quite understand why aren't they expanding their line up,they have upto 500cc engines and still no news of any performance bike in the 250cc category.Originally posted by payeng View PostLeave a comment:
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Samarth:- It is not a point of TVS investing abroad in R & D, the point is, TVS R & D is very capable, it is just that they are not allowed to showcase it, the management is very laid back, they just dont want to take risks. Look at Rajiv Bajaj, he knows that if he has to compete with the Jap's on his own across the globe, it will take him years to match them, so he wisely tied up with KTM and you have the first product from them. To simply put it Rajiv Bajaj is ambitious and TVS isnt, he has a vision and he is sticking to it.Originally posted by Samarth 619 View PostLeave a comment:
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Nobody stopped them from investing abroad. They should do it, at least get some engineering R&D personnel from Japan, if not the entire company.Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
Now, TVS don't have much of a choice when it comes to the new RTR: Now, even 20 bhp is inadequate for them, forget about matching 56 kmpl even in test conditions.
Their ONLY trump card is "more power & lesser weight". In both these aspects, they can beat Pulsar hands down, if they put in their full efforts. Think about it: A 25 bhp, 140 kgs RTR 220/200 for under 1L... (forget the mileage though.)Leave a comment:
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What people fail to realize is, TVS works indigenously, Unlike Hero/Bajaj it doesnt have a foreign brand investing into its R&D.
Correct me if im wrong!
Just think of it this way, maybe TVS was waiting for the new pulsar to come out so they can do some final changes on their high end product to gain upper hand in the competition?Leave a comment:
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+million times!!!Originally posted by bprags View Post
Basically TVS is scared as nervous cat to take risk; atleast that's what it shows or probably they want to minimize risk by focusing too much on commuter segment (or unwilling to make one on the premium segment). They've so many variants on their best selling models (read sticker job) Star City. Guess Jive didn't take off as expected or for whatever reasons, RTR, despite looking & sounding a good ride, hasn't seen much upgrade like you said. The triple spark plug is more than a threat to several rides out there.Leave a comment:
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how I wish they listened to people, if they had, they wouldn't have been knocked off from the 3rd largest seller to 4th.Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post
Their present products are a direct result of their management, tell me one exciting product in their lineup, when was the last time the RTR was upgraded? They launched the ABS in the same looking RTR without any exterior changes, visual appeal is the first impression and they have to realize that, look at the Pulsar 200 thread, people havent even ridden the bike, but the visual impact created is amazing. Take for example hero they launched the Impulse, TVS has been in motocross for ages, but not one single product came in that category from them.
Make no mistake I presently own two TVS products and all the above is pure frustration due to TVS's inability to lead from front.
Regarding your original query, TVS is testing a 200+cc bike, but I dunno if that will come out this year coz of the pulsar 200NS's smashing specs, they might have to go back to the drawing board. I can get some confirmed news in a couple of weeks time.Leave a comment:
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@Soulonaroll : Where I have mentioned that I am against any other brand, I jut asked to stick to the topic whether TVS is going to launch something or not but here people are more busy in "comparing" Bajaj and TVS. Sorry if I sounded rude, I noted P150 in your currently owned bikes, so I assumed. Period
No offense, but if you know every top notch official of companies why don't you suggest someone more knowledgeable for TVS.Originally posted by bprags View Post+100, I whole heartedly agree to what ever you have mentioned. The management at TVS is useless, unfortunately they dont have someone like Rajiv Bajaj at their top management
I am not here for brand wars, I personally respect each as they have their respective pros and cons. What Dman has said is correct, even I want to see TVS bringing something revolutionary, at the same time I am happy to say that Bajaj products have started new chapter in Indian two wheeler industry.
P.S : Last reply on this topic, people who want to take sides can do that. I am out, have made my point clear.Last edited by prateek2210; 02-07-2012, 02:35 PM.Leave a comment:
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Just agreed with your view.Originally posted by Dman View Postbut they still have a gem of a veteran called Venu srinivasan. the problem i think is that most of the guys at tvs takes racing as of more importance and tries to make a good race bike out of a road bike instead of making a damn good road bike out of the race version bike. That is where bajaj plays the card right, they built bikes keeping in mind the idea of practical usage... and they just seem to do it right by creating day to day sports commuter bikes with a pinch of fun also injected into it.that is also what TVS should follow instead of making outright crouch rockets for the road. this is just my humble opinion.To me tvs and bajaj are equally good competitors.Leave a comment:
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but they still have a gem of a veteran called Venu srinivasan. the problem i think is that most of the guys at tvs takes racing as of more importance and tries to make a good race bike out of a road bike instead of making a damn good road bike out of the race version bike. That is where bajaj plays the card right, they built bikes keeping in mind the idea of practical usage... and they just seem to do it right by creating day to day sports commuter bikes with a pinch of fun also injected into it.that is also what TVS should follow instead of making outright crouch rockets for the road. this is just my humble opinion.To me tvs and bajaj are equally good competitors.Originally posted by bprags View Post+100, I whole heartedly agree to what ever you have mentioned. The management at TVS is useless, unfortunately they dont have someone like Rajiv Bajaj at their top management
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+100, I whole heartedly agree to what ever you have mentioned. The management at TVS is useless, unfortunately they dont have someone like Rajiv Bajaj at their top managementOriginally posted by soulonaroll View Postsame goes to you about TVS. so focus on the news as you say! and i've never owned a bajaj all my life. its just that i see it pulling away when there are others like TVS who could give it a run for money but are just falling behind. what ever be the reasons. given a choice between a 200 from Bajaj & TVS, i would bet my money on TVS given its racing outfit and the learnings it ploughs back into its bikes. but never mind. you are obviously not interested in what others think.
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