no sign of 600?? where the heck is the 250??

Now "Yes, Yamaha!" seems more like fans trying to buck up Yamaha after getting knocked down by competition:
"yes, Yamaha, Yes... you can do it... Get up... don't give up... yes, Yamaha, common!!!"

Yes Yamaha... you can somehow bring a 250cc FZ. Yes Yamaha you can get us a 23 bhp bike giving 55+ kmpl ideally (or approximately)...

Jokes apart, I don't think India Yamaha has anything to be ashamed about. YZF R15 & FZ being the medals on its uniform. But yes, they're short of new releases though. (Just personal opinion)

But this song is too nasty... Yes Yamaha, you're right that you can do better here!

A company decides to have faith on a certain market and goes ahead of taking a decision to take a good chunk of 800 crores for making it's presence more profound. I do not see the reason for the mockery going around in this thread.

If any of us are or were buying bikes based on AR Rahman or Sunidhi singing good tunes, they are in the wrong forum.

Yamaha was doing well, slumped down quite a lot leading to almost death and now with some immaculate releases they have come back. It's the numbers which buyers have shown which have made them think about this kind of investment.

Let's make a mockery after they put a + sticker next to a R15 badge and call it a new release. Till then, applause for trusting our market. And of course, looking forward to the kind of releases which has set this trend to where it is now.

+1 and ironically most complaining ones comes from another clan of manufacturers. Why are you so surprised

Had it been manufacturers, I would not have been surprised.

I wouldn't have said it better, but hey as i have already wrote before, Yamaha = Apple, people show their hatred in public, it but inside their heart everyone wants one.

nope i never wanted yamaha inside my heart considering their current indian line-up.fz-fazer poser duo,neither gives mileage nor power,only thing they offer is inflated price tag with unmatched poser value.r 15 is hell of a bike but still overpriced.crux,ybr hardly sells.ss 125 and sz-r is much-praised but not seen too much on road.they should learn from bajaj about vfm proposition.although yamaha's international line up is impressive.those who feel offended reading my post,sorry....saabji..my personal opinion.

totally disagree with you on that front... being a yamaha first time fz buyer, i am indeed content with their bike's performance and after sales service in mumbai.

R-15, for a general class buyer always looks pricier coz they see the 150cc tag on it.. what people tend to forget is the technology which goes behind this bike.. which is built to be abused on tracks and redline the engine all the time and it will just thank you for it.


although i am indeed curious why is yamaha not releasing a 250cc product in india yet?... are they planning to make the same mistake which they did after their disastrous attempt to start over in india with fuel efficient bikes when the market wanted power and performance...

I hope yamaha understands that its brand name in india since RXs and RDs days has always been associated with performance and not for a regular meagre cost conscious biker... so if they again want to lose out on capitalising on their comeback with fz & R15 by not launching higher CCs, they are repeating the whole cycle all over again...

YAMAHA... we are indeed looking forward to a 250+ launch soon from your side and believe me, you WILL receive positive response for this one just as you have with FZs and R15s..

Cheers

well rtr is also-worthy track day companion,it can be red-lined continuously,even with addition of abs it doen't pinch your pocket at all.may be my above post is out of frustration of yamaha not bringing out higher cc's.but anyday i stand by my statement that fz is underpowered.

Not just for India but for the International market. Only then we'll get a R series bike which'll really place itself between the r125 and r6, IMHO.

It's not mockery, its true expectation of bikers like us (including you) who expect more from a company which can deliver...
It had delivered in past and was well applauded for that, but we can't clap forever for doing some thing 4 years back, V2.0 is an upgrade but not a game changer, If Yamaha wants praises it has to come with something new...
And sticking to a particular segment which is established now, proves that Yamaha want's to play safe... "What happened to its Sportiness?"
Or does Yamaha want to play Hero Honda of 150cc???

I don't know what is the reason of this increasing Euphoria in some Yamaha fans?
If Yamaha fails to deliver and others deliver either the other product is labeled as waste else statement like this comes out...

FYI, After having Gladiator and R15 for long i was waiting for Yamaha to upgrade so that I can too, but when Yamaha denied to grow and i could not stop so i moved on...

I must say, all auto companies must show commitment and self confidence like Bajaj...

For a manufacturer "true" expectation means market expectation and not bikers like us only. And trust me you and I are not the market, else Hero Honda would have not have been Numero Uno for so long. Market has responded well to their release imbibing a confidence in them to invest 800 crores in the Indian market. It's too early to comment if this decision will be fruitful or not for either of us in the Forum. Constructive expectations is definitely appreciated but that was not what the thread was intending to. Go through the thread again and you will know exactly what I mean. True expectation does not come in the form of songs, 150 cc powered boats/planes or 150 cc "Eliminator". A R25, 600cc, Fazer 250cc, that's expectation. Rest is nothing but mockery.

4 Years in a auto industry is not a long time for not coming out with a game changer. Look at Honda. One fine release and the past is forgotten. Manufacturers need sometime to recover the R&D expense they have put into for a specific market launch.

I have the same question, what happened to "Sportiness" ? A 150cc which keeps getting pitched with 180cc, 200cc, 220cc and 250cc bikes. If not for quarter mile drags at least for handling, top speed and quality. What "Sportiness" is Yamaha missing ?

Well, the news is something to definitely trigger Euphoria. Why not ? And this is not just for Yamaha fans but for anyone who would wish to have a good bike. 800 crores could result to a disaster in terms of market launches which fails left and right or could see many more bikes endorsed with 3 tuning forks.

Congratulation and that's perfectly fine. I was also inclined towards picking up the CBR but decided to go against it for my own reasons and went for the v2.0. I have not yet regretted the decision. Hopefully do not in the near future too. People move on and till the economy of scales are not effecting the manufacturer, it's really a healthy competition. If it effects and they still sit and watch, that's the time the down fall begins. But look at the comments coming in a thread like this. Yamaha is not sitting and watching. They are reacting.

Bajaj knows the pulse of Indian buyers very well. Their growth is the result of right bikes at the right time at the right price. This is supported by a perfect balance of quality and pricing. Bajaj's growth no wonder has been phenomenal. That said, I personally wish Yamaha does not start the act of balancing price and quality.

[QUOTE=abhisheksircar;770337]It depends on Manufacturer what it want to be a number muncher or pioneer. Ferrari is not know for the no. of cars produced nor does it want to be. In fact giving example of Yamaha itself is much better. What is Yamaha known for R1 or Crux.
Comparing Yamaha with Hero itself proves which way Yamaha is going.
Imagine BMW enters India and launches a hatchback which gets successful and then BMW starts competing with Maruti for sake of No. Will that look good?
That's Y I have mentioned "Is Yamaha trying to be Hero Honda of 150cc"?? Even if it tries to do that, that segment is already over crowded. Y not create league of its own like it did with R15...

4 Yr in Indian (evolving) auto industry is long time to make changes. In past 4 yrs Bajaj improved many of its mistakes. Honda (even with limited capacity) became no 3., TVS with no new show went to no.4., Suzuki is rejected by ppl.
Even if we look at R15, from last 4 years it was leader as it was alone in its price range. Now it has many worthy competitor (CBR 150 and KTM Duke 200).

4Yrs back pulsar was no match to R15, now its comparable (if not better) at lower price (P200NS)

Yamaha got early mover advantage and gave a splendid show, but now the game is changed. Market is moved to 200 and 250cc. Does Yamaha has an answer to that??? Can it still pitch it 0-100 in 15 sec against <10sec of other bikes?? (losing 5 sec in every corner) Or it top wack of 132 against 165 (looking like a spec in rear view mirror). Considering over all performance R15 is no match now. In fact its no comparison at all.
Now it has to compete against its peer KTM 200, CBR150 and even P200NS...

By Euphoria I ment this fanboyism, that Yamaha is secrete desire of every one, even when it gave a no show ppl are still clapping

Indeed R15 was a revolution and path breaker in Indian bike world. Still its the finest 150cc available. But this is no more a India which use to shy away with good but new products (Dewoo Cielo etc.) Now it not only embraces new products but also shows its hunger towards more. 1800 CBR booking in one month of launch without even seeing the bike let alone test riding one is a testimony in it self about this fact. 250cc selling 1800 units a month, what else economy of scales Yamaha wants.??

Not only that Bajaj is always game to take the risk to do the new. It made lot of mistakes in past and got sufficient brickbats for it. But look at the guts a stand alone company with out any technical know how, did it all on its own by trial and error. Now that I call "Sportive"
And now it has every thing: R&D team, technical coloration, Efficient supply chain, dealer network, end to end every thing.

Who knows better than Yamaha how to make bikes and has very good fan following in India since long, the question why does it not make some???

So according to you, if a bike isnt as Fast as its 150cc rivals and only has good design and a thick rear wheel at the back its a Poser bike eh?
Do you even know the purpose of the rear fat tyre on these bikes atleast? They are there to provide more traction. The Fatter/Wider the tyres the more contact they get with the road surface which equals high traction!
When you load up tourer bikes you should be looking at two things on ur bike. The amount of Torque available and then comes Traction(which most people have no clue about)!

The FZ/Fazer series do NOT fall under the R series which actually means They are not meant for Racing purpose.
The Fazer is more like a tourer and a very good/comfortable one at that.


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I never read ur post till i posted mine.
But you just nailed the point straightup!
This is exactly the reason why TaTa is still advertising the Nano with tiny upgrades every few months.
Too much money went into its R&D but looking at the sales figures, i still doubt if they even recovered half of the value they spent into its engineering