fz a tourer?!!!!.. that's new to me.. c`mon those fat tires were a gimmick for those who wanted huge rear tires on their bikes.

i mentioned Fazer as a tourer. The FZ is more of a street bike.
(This one's from the FZ6 page which holds good for the FZ range of motorcycles from yamaha)
The engine is tuned for more usable midrange power. As a multi-purpose motorcycle it can handle sport riding, touring, and commuting.

And Are you trying to say that fat tyres Do NOT provide more traction compared to thin tyres?

It depends on Manufacturer what it want to be a number muncher or pioneer. Ferrari is not know for the no. of cars produced nor does it want to be. In fact giving example of Yamaha itself is much better. What is Yamaha known for R1 or Crux. Comparing Yamaha with Hero itself proves which way Yamaha is going.
Imagine BMW enters India and launches a hatchback which gets successful and then BMW starts competing with Maruti for sake of No. Will that look good?
That's Y I have mentioned "Is Yamaha trying to be Hero Honda of 150cc"?? Even if it tries to do that, that segment is already over crowded. Y not create league of its own like it did with R15...

4 Yr in Indian (evolving) auto industry is long time to make changes. In past 4 yrs Bajaj improved many of its mistakes. Honda (even with limited capacity) became no 3., TVS with no new show went to no.4., Suzuki is rejected by ppl.

Even if we look at R15, from last 4 years it was leader as it was alone in its price range. Now it has many worthy competitor (CBR 150 and KTM Duke 200).

4Yrs back pulsar was no match to R15, now its comparable (if not better) at lower price (P200NS)

Yamaha got early mover advantage and gave a splendid show, but now the game is changed. Market is moved to 200 and 250cc. Does Yamaha has an answer to that??? Can it still pitch it 0-100 in 15 sec against <10sec of other bikes?? (losing 5 sec in every corner) Or it top wack of 132 against 165 (looking like a spec in rear view mirror). Considering over all performance R15 is no match now. In fact its no comparison at all.
Now it has to compete against its peer KTM 200, CBR150 and even P200NS...

By Euphoria I ment this fanboyism, that Yamaha is secrete desire of every one, even when it gave a no show ppl are still clapping

Indeed R15 was a revolution and path breaker in Indian bike world. Still its the finest 150cc available. But this is no more a India which use to shy away with good but new products (Dewoo Cielo etc.) Now it not only embraces new products but also shows its hunger towards more. 1800 CBR booking in one month of launch without even seeing the bike let alone test riding one is a testimony in it self about this fact. 250cc selling 1800 units a month, what else economy of scales Yamaha wants.??

Not only that Bajaj is always game to take the risk to do the new. It made lot of mistakes in past and got sufficient brickbats for it. But look at the guts a stand alone company with out any technical know how, did it all on its own by trial and error. Now that I call "Sportive"
And now it has every thing: R&D team, technical coloration, Efficient supply chain, dealer network, end to end every thing.

Who knows better than Yamaha how to make bikes and has very good fan following in India since long, the question why does it not make some???

It isnt easy to develop a bike for an Indian market every year, especially for an outsider like Yamaha who has only been active in the last 4 years now. Look at HMSI, as soon as they split up from Hero they are on a roll. 250R/150R/ New Dio/ New 110 commuter And there will be more to look forward to every year. But this was only possible because HMSI have been active for more than a decade now.
So give Yamaha some time and once they understand the market and its needs they too will start rolling out new models every year or two.

I could go on the tedious exercise of replying to each of your thoughts but before that, let's get back to the thread cause this is going no where. If you would have posted all this anywhere else in this forum, I too would have wondered. But in a thread where the manufacturer is committing to 800 cr in the market, does not go right.

Title of the thread : Yamaha to invest Rs 800 cr on capacity expansion, new products.

What they are going to invest on is still not out. Why such pessimism ? Is it not right to wait and watch before talking about being a spec in the rear view mirror ?

Saurabh81, you have been with Yamaha for a while. Still why such pessimism on such an optimistic thread and that's what I fail to understand that. Imagine the company one works for has been doing moderately good and to boost up the numbers company decides to invest a substantial amount. Now that someone could either say, "What the heck, 800 crores, so what" and continue cribbing on the company's moderate performance over the last few years or be happy that there could be a direction which he always wished for Or he could be pretty annoyed cause he just left the company and now the company decides a make over while he settled for the just any other option available.

I second Nithesh here... Both the products deserve respect, ok? Why are people undermining Fazer/FZ like that?

FZ is one "unique" bike and its grip, torque and ride quality levels are good enough. Personally, I consider FZ a good bike to learn geared motorcycles riding and also, a "safer" bike for newbies compared to the other bikes.

About FZ's looks, everyone (including Bikers) wants good looking motorcycles, but that doesn't make those people posers. Their character and their rule breaking habits is what makes them posers.

What is Yamaha/ FZ's offence? Is being a good looking but slow bike a crime? Then, what about Stunner 125?

Saurabh81, you have been with Yamaha for a while. Still why such pessimism on such an optimistic thread and that's what I fail to understand that. Imagine the company one works for has been doing moderately good and to boost up the numbers company decides to invest a substantial amount. Now that someone could either say, "What the heck, 800 crores, so what" and continue cribbing on the company's moderate performance over the last few years or be happy that there could be a direction which he always wished for Or he could be pretty annoyed cause he just left the company and now the company decides a make over while he settled for the just any other option available.

So according to you, if a bike isnt as Fast as its 150cc rivals and only has good design and a thick rear wheel at the back its a Poser bike eh?
Do you even know the purpose of the rear fat tyre on these bikes atleast? They are there to provide more traction. The Fatter/Wider the tyres the more contact they get with the road surface which equals high traction!
When you load up tourer bikes you should be looking at two things on ur bike. The amount of Torque available and then comes Traction(which most people have no clue about)!

The FZ/Fazer series do NOT fall under the R series which actually means They are not meant for Racing purpose.
The Fazer is more like a tourer and a very good/comfortable one at that.[/QUOTE]
i haven't complained about the rear fat tyre.and yes i am all ears for your FAT TYRE-TRACTION THEORY.so lets rewind back and see what fz offers with those INFLATED PRICE TAG that other 150 cc doesn't offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>NOTHING.ask me again.my answer will be NOTHING.
you say fazer is a tourer .BITE ME.well people do use even m-80 for their touring purposes that doesn't necesserily mean M-80 is a TOURER.
but yes fz's torquey 150 cc heart is enough for city roam about.onething other 150 cc's are doing well in terms of traction with their NOT- SO- WIDE TRACTIONLESS TYRE.

Oops I missed this point in earlier post (it was late at night)....
Anyways... As i mentioned earlier, I am among those of consumer who like to chose the best available in the market (as per requirement), and don't bother who produces it... And not like a fanboy who will wait long for any company to deliver...
And why I will be annoyed, Yamaha has not declared any bigger bike? (still they are content with 150, nice bike but I already tried it) and if it comes up with a bigger bike ill chose whats best available at that time...
I am not doing arrange marriage with bike that i have to search only in a particular cast (company) and chose what ever is available and later has to continue with same thru my life...
It's like a medium term relationships, chose the best available (as per your liking) and change to a better one when its is available. Yamaha, Bajaj or even Khaitan (if they ever do so) doesn't matter...
I wish Yamaha to bring better bikes so that I can have more choices next time (total selfish wish)...

Anyways, as I concluded earlier, it's Yamaha's money, its their decision where they want to put it...

Anyways, as I concluded earlier, it's Yamaha's money, its their decision where they want to put it