Seriously?? Dude,its clear that you are not a fan of Short Stroke motor.You are more fan of refined long stroke,cruiser type engines. But an honet request,please dont change the RTR characteristics(by replacing the A180 with P180 engine)... ..It was the only reason I bought my RTR.
And about milage,yes,you are right,my friend's P180 shows more milage than mine.(mine is around 40-42 and his is 43-45)and we rip our bikes almost alike...
And while talking about performance,you are forgetting the 0-60 and 0-100 timings...

Handling dont always means cornering...the cbr250 doesn't corner well so what it makes up in straight line stability... Pulsars always had an advantage over apache in highway cruising and high speed stability... ................................................
............ low rolling resistance... One more thing apaches have very short gearing which makes us feel that it is very powerful... People who say apaches ar fuel ...................................
........ bike 10 kilor heavier.... I simply wish if a pulsar 180 engine could be fitted on a rtr180 chasis...that thing could smoke a stock apache anyday... Put a 120/80...................................
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And tvs is trying to have just a tieup with bmw.... Hero made a tie-up with eric but what bajaj did is not a tieup... Bajaj OWNS ktm...
And no offence to anyone but apache and pulsars both perform best what they are meant to be...

This is where Husqvarna comes in

Its an accpted fact that the 1st Gen Pulsars did not love cornering. But in 2012 the Pulsar 200NS with its Perimeter frame changes everything.. its an awesome handler. Even the Pulsar 135LS is a sweet handler.

That's the only puzzling part of this deal, coz BMW doesn't have any experience with small engines unlike KTM. So, it's really interesting to see what TVS gets & what BMW is looking for out of this deal.

As for Pulsar's handling, P135LS was the first product that changed it all. P200NS takes it to next level. I won't be surprised if P200NS comes out on top in a race with R15. Excellent handling coupled with extra power will certainly help P200NS exit each corner a lot faster than R15.

I would love to see 200 -300 cc tvs bikes with some fantastic tech inputs from bmw/husqvarna. But the exhaust should be handled only by the TVS boffins who simply create the best sounding 4 stroke exhausts (victor, centra, fiero, rtr fi)

cheers!
sai

I was with you till the bold part. TVS rtr chassis was good, not as great as r15 but the best after that. But no pulsar chassis till date comes close to the way an rtr corners inspite of its achilles heel (literally) - the tvs tyres.

I would love to see 200 -300 cc tvs bikes with some fantastic tech inputs from bmw/husqvarna.

Bajaj had always been better on the technology front event their earlier gen-bikes like P220i, P220DTSFi, P135LS were much better on the tech front. Powerful 220cc bikes as early as early 2007, 4 valve tech, smoother engine etc, DTSi engine as early as 2003. Even the chasis of these bikes though not very good but were better than Apache.

Great !!! Hope it comes true and TVS shares go sky high as well

Some more news
Shares of TVS rose on the news and at 0647 GMT they were up 6.4% at 38.95
Source : TVS, BMW in Talks for Technical Pact - WSJ.com

NEW DELHI -- TVS Motor Co. is in talks with BMW AG's motorcycle division for a possible technological alliance, a move that may help the Indian company in developing higher powered two-wheelers to compete with local rivals Hero MotoCorp Ltd. and Bajaj Auto Ltd. as well as Japan's Yamaha Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co.

"We will share more details on the nature of the talks in due course," Venu Srinivasan, chairman of Chennai, south India-based TVS, said by phone on Monday.

A technological alliance is key for TVS to expand its product portfolio and arrest dwindling market share. TVS lost its position as the third-biggest scooter and motorcycle maker by sales in the last financial year ended March to Honda's two-wheeler unit in India.

A collaboration will help TVS develop bigger motorcycles and be better equipped for the fast-changing Indian two-wheeler market. Even though two-thirds of motorcycle sales in India are in the entry-level segment -- with engines in the 100-125 cubic centimeter range --the market for bigger motorcycles is expanding rapidly.

Local sales of motorcycles with engines above 125cc rose 17% in the past financial year to 2.99 million units. The growth outpaced a 12% rise in total local sales to 10.1 million motorcycles.

"A pact with BMW will change the fortunes of TVS," said Deepak Jain, an auto analyst at Sharekhan Ltd. "TVS has been stuck with its products, and technology from BMW will help it become a major player in the bigger-motorcycle segment."

Mr. Jain said a possible pact will also help BMW as the German auto maker can utilize TVS's sales network to sell its products in India.

A BMW India spokesman didn't respond to calls.

Shares of TVS rose on the news and at 0647 GMT they were up 6.4% at 38.95 rupees on the Bombay Stock Exchange, where the benchmark index was down 0.8%.

Earlier Monday, the Mint newspaper, citing Mr. Srinivasan, said TVS isn't considering selling any stake to BMW.

If talks with BMW conclude favorably, TVS will join Hero MotoCorp and Bajaj Auto in tying up with global two-wheeler makers to source technology for making larger motorcycles.

Hero MotoCorp had recently signed an agreement with U.S.-based Erik Buell Racing LLC for sourcing engines, while Bajaj Auto uses the technology and sells some products of Austrian bike maker KTM Power Sports AG, in which the Indian company has a 47% stake.

BMW's motorcycle division, BMW Motorrad, sells models under its R and K series and the S 1000 RR superbike in India.

BMW Motorrad's chief, Hendrik von Kuenheim, said in February the company was seeking partnerships with two-wheeler manufacturers in emerging markets, including in India, to locally build its motorcycles or some parts.
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Bajaj and Hero both went to their respective partners because both of them needed some new pathbraking technology and i'am glad bajaj found it. But both hthese guys had LOADS of money.
TVS does not exactly require new tech. they have it, they can make more of it. TVS doesn't have the kind of money Bajaj and Hero have(just a rough calculation). TVS' one year profits are less than bajaj 1/2 month profits...