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**VIJAY BHUYAN88** · 11-14-2014, 04:15 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by avi_loveindia View Post

Pulsar 200/400 ss got stuck in water ,,, and this is in India ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmXL77mGsus

Could be a flat tyre.

But still why rev the engine so much..!!??

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**sambit** · 11-14-2014, 04:35 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

with so much revving, even a splendor would generate enough torque to cross the stream! It must be the rider or the burnt clutch plate.

A test rider of a reputed brand cant be that lame. It seems to be Clutch Plate. But again the question arises- If its the plate, then how could he not know it before hand?? Why was he risking it after knowing it? He must have had the back up, so once the issue pops up, there is no point testing any further. Should have fixed it or packed it and transported to the factory.
Or may be its the 200SS, with additional weight of fairing, its weight to torque ratio is compromised.

**Giftonsamuel** · 11-14-2014, 06:56 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by sambit View Post

A .
Or may be its the 200SS, with additional weight of fairing, its power to torque ratio is compromised.

Though it has additional weight the engine is not underpowered to this extent .
Its a 200cc bajaj so at least in first gear it should have pulled well even with a very weak bottom end .

**rreneav1987** · 11-14-2014, 08:23 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

with so much revving, even a splendor would generate enough torque to cross the stream! It must be the rider or the burnt clutch plate.

Clutch plates giving up so soon?? Doesnt sound right.. if this is the case, bajaj quality still has "????"

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**sunilg** · 11-14-2014, 10:32 PM

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Why should we assume that the plates were new?

Also it doesn't take too long for an inexperienced rider to burn the new plates, especially while riding in terrain like that.

**rreneav1987** · 11-14-2014, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by sunilg View Post

Why should we assume that the plates were new?

Also it doesn't take too long for an inexperienced rider to burn the new plates, especially while riding in terrain like that.

I am not sure about using an old clutch plate on a test vehicle.. but your assumption is valid.

But the second point still bangs my head. I dont think they will hire inexperienced guys to test a premiuim product from their line up.. that too on a terrain!! That is a risk to life of the person. But again. Dont we alway lie in interviews about our skillsets

so again a valid point of assumption..

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**Naveen1985** · 11-14-2014, 11:14 PM

Re: Pulsar 350/375 Spy pics: xBhp News

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I am not sure about using an old clutch plate on a test vehicle.. but your assumption is valid.

That is a risk to life of the person.

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Those so called big companies can do anything to save money...

**rreneav1987** · 11-14-2014, 11:15 PM

Re: Pulsar 350/375 Spy pics: xBhp News

Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

Those so called big companies can do anything to save money...

Tell me how much are they going to save by using an old clutch plate?? 2000?? 3000?? Taking such a risk on terrains! If they take such steps in flat roads, that is acceptable..

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**RSM2852** · 11-14-2014, 11:35 PM

Re: Pulsar 350/375 Spy pics: xBhp News

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Tell me how much are they going to save by using an old clutch plate?? 2000?? 3000?? Taking such a risk on terrains! If they take such steps in flat roads, that is acceptable..

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Agree, just to save 3-4k bucks a Multi-million Manufacturer wont take such a huge risk. Afterall a test rider is their employee with whim they sign Insurance agreements as well, risk to his life means a bigger risk to company's repo and bank balance as well.

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**theironhorse99** · 11-14-2014, 11:40 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by sambit View Post

A test rider of a reputed brand cant be that lame. It seems to be Clutch Plate. But again the question arises- If its the plate, then how could he not know it before hand?? Why was he risking it after knowing it? He must have had the back up, so once the issue pops up, there is no point testing any further. Should have fixed it or packed it and transported to the factory.
Or may be its the 200SS, with additional weight of fairing, its weight to torque ratio is compromised.

and why do we assume that the test rider cannot be lame.. who knows if he is one of the mech or someone's anyone's relative.. we all know how things work in india. trust me. never expect the test rider to be superior than a common riding guy.... unless its some official review...

clutch plates : no... rider being lame : yes...

you give a guy who tests platina etc to ride on a 23/43 bhp machine.. he will have no idea what to expect and what to do..

**rreneav1987** · 11-14-2014, 11:43 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by theironhorse99 View Post

and why do we assume that the test rider cannot be lame.. who knows if he is one of the mech or someone's anyone's relative.. we all know how things work in india. trust me. never expect the test rider to be superior than a common riding guy.... unless its some official review...

clutch plates : no... rider being lame : yes...

you give a guy who tests platina etc to ride on a 23/43 bhp machine.. he will have no idea what to expect and what to do..

Gotta admit with this.. this is indeed India we are talking about. I cant imagine bajaj using dead clutch plates on their test bikes. If they are. Then what is the point in testing their new bike? To see how the worn out clutch plates work on terrain on a new premium product which isnt on sales yet? Doesnt seem right to assume it this way..

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**theironhorse99** · 11-14-2014, 11:49 PM

Re: Pulsar 200ss Launch !!

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Gotta admit with this.. this is indeed India we are talking about. I cant imagine bajaj using dead clutch plates on their test bikes. If they are. Then what is the point in testing their new bike? To see how the worn out clutch plates work on terrain on a new premium product which isnt on sales yet? Doesnt seem right to assume it this way..

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i have seen new bikes just out of showrooms and within a few days wih busted engines an i used to blame the companies for making such shoddy products ..later i also figured out the people who buy them and how they use them...

OT though " ever seen a guy ride past you on a motorcycle doing 40kmph constantly in 1st gear " ask why ? he dint knew there were gears.. just riding like an activa... just out of showroom bike... the test riders wont be much diffrent when you give them a 1down 5 up short shifter gear pattern and then dont know how to control the power so they end up revving the engine and keep holding the clutch....

thats why they say " motorcycling is an art"

sorry for the OT guys..

**sunilg** · 11-14-2014, 11:52 PM

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Guys, you are missing the point and jumping to conclusions.

Even if the plates were the culprits, it's not that the company was trying to save a few rupees by not replacing them or they were putting the riders life at risk willingly.

Millions of rupees go into developing a product like this and they won't achieve anything by saving a few thousand bucks. The bike is evidently on long term testing and probably they were using the same clutch plates to test it's longevity and see how far it goes before actually giving up.

As far as the experience of rider goes, nobody can tell if the rider was indeed a bajaj employee. Bajaj and other companies give bikes to other riders as well also during the test phase to take their feedback as well. If I am not wrong, a pune based biking club was given to ride the new pulsar recently.

Also with due respect to the rider, he might be an experienced rider but you don't ride at 17000 feet everyday.

Again, these are just assumptions and wild guesses. But I refused to believe that the bike was too underpowered to cross that water crossing.

**rreneav1987** · 11-15-2014, 12:12 AM

Re: Pulsar 350/375 Spy pics: xBhp News

There could be number of reasons for this. Water stream, boulders under the stream and so on.. they werent able to push it or pull.. or the fairing is giving a negative impact..

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**Giftonsamuel** · 11-15-2014, 07:51 PM

Re: Pulsar 350/375 Spy pics: xBhp News

I don't think they were trying to save few bucks by using a old plate .
Its just a plate and in some cases their total manufacturing cost can be under 1000bucks including assembly .

And in some travel blog I have read some bikes busting clutch in Himalayas .
And fairing design ,bikes power can't be blamed ,if some one has ridden a NS with a pillion they will know its power(it pulls well even with a pillion and I don't think fairings weight can exceed that of a pillion ) .

Might be due to a nervous rider ,people do mess up things even if they are good at it .He might have been surprised by the rush in the stream /chillness of the water and so on.
We can't jump in to a conclusion blaming a manufacturer / rider without knowing the full details .

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