Re: KTM RC 390 Launch confirmed: xBhp News

i wanted to comment on this post of yours somehow.
regarding the displacement-
less cylinders equates less power. thats why world over when 1000cc inline 4s are allowed, they give an extra 200cc to the twins to be in the same class. in this respect the rc should be given a fair chance to compete coz with the N300 jus coz it has a cylinder less. now thats a different matter that it produces a monstrous 43.5 bhp(relatively). it should be and is indeed being compared to the ninja. now coming to quality its a different ballgame altogether

but you cannot take away this fact that the RC wins here after compared.
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Talking about quoting out of context...
Btw he never said that it was unfair for N400 to have a 30 cc advantage or imply it.

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Ninja 400 coming here?

I don't think it will happen. It's essentially a 650 with smaller displacement. That means heavy for a 400. heavier than a street teiple.

Bringing them in India will result in similar price of 650. So 400 makes little sense in my opinion for India.

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I agree with Doga. You quoted him out of context. Read his post again.

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^^^ pointing out a contradiction in your statements makes me selective like a politician and the media ... Anyway, I rest my case on the basis of my pervious post.

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You just picked the portions which suited your intended reply. Much like what the media does .And much like the politician, I'd say I have been quoted out of context

The reason I said Ninja 400 cannot be compared with the RC(or for that matter the Ninja 300 itself) is the fact that the former is targeted at the sport tourer junta and the latter towards the corner carving/track junkie.
This of course, as I have mentioned already in my earlier post, not the case in India, where it's targeted at someone who wants to own class leading performance without breaking the bank.
If Kawasaki launches a 400 Ninja which is a bigger brother of the 300, then rest assured it'd be compared with the 390 as the intended purpose(and target customer) and character is more or less same, even if you do not like it being compared.
Look at the middleweight nakeds. The Street triple(675 cc) is routinely pitted against the FZ 09(847cc) and the ducati monster.First two are triples and the last a V twin(and air cooled). So I think more than the engine comparison and capacity differences(if they are not eye popping) what matters is the intended purpose and the character of the bike.
If we need to have everything to be same for a fair comparison then we don't have much to compare anyway.

I think the RC and the Ninja are fair game for a nice little track shootout at the BIC, on the lines of what MCN USA does(at chuckwallah). Indian Mags are you listening?

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Both statements are rather contradictory, are they not? Its ok for RC 390 to have a 70 cc advantage but not for Ninja 400 to have a 30 cc advantage on the RC 390 is it? Fact of life, for power output cubic capacity matters, period.

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I do not think it'd be unfair to compare these too. The Ninja and the RC would both be considered more or less entry level bikes abroad(along with the CBR 500). IT'd be unfair if we consider the RC with say the Ninja 400(which is a smaller 650 suited to sport touring).
I know being only entry level doesn't lend itself to fair comparison, but in this case both are fully faired sport bikes with reasonably committed riding stance and handling characteristics suited for track riding. One may be a bit more than the other but nevertheless both of them targets,at least in markets abroad which are mature and the price gap is not as significant as here, the just out of teens amateur who has more CBR/GSXR/S100RR/Panigale posters in his bedroom/studyroom than ,say ,the KTM Superduke.
The only major difference is the engine configuration. But if we could not compare a peaky twin with a quick(and reasonably high revving) single, then there would be no shootouts/street comparisons between the Jap litrebikes which are all I4s and the Euros which are mostly V Twins(barring the beemer which is I4) or V4s.
But they all compete for the litrebike crown.
And btw a lesser cylinder would mean higher displacement to coax the same power. So a 1200 CC Vtwin is allowed a 200CC advantage over a 1000CC I4 in WSBK since it's an accepted fact that more cylinders mean more power per cc(albeit with lesser horses in lower rpms). So the KTM could be forgiven the '70' cc advantage and I think there is more juice in the 300 CC twin Kawi mill than the claimed 39 bhp, while keeping it very reliable at the same time

Re: KTM RC 390 Launch confirmed: xBhp News

Wait for the RC390 only if you want a pure 'supersport' bike or if you want lesser overall costs. If you're looking at a powerful sport bike and do not want all those extra supersport goodies that the RC offers, don't even consider it if the Ninja is within your budget. The Ninja may cost more, but it'll offer more peace of mind and is highly reliable in the long run as looking at the current cost cutting methods adopted by Bajaj, the RC390 will also suffer from quality issues.

Regarding those from the American forums, those guys have some considerable track riding experience with 600cc or bigger supersport bikes. The Ninja lacks on that 'supersport' front and hence those guys find it to be a pretty bad handler. So you may feel the Ninja to be lacking on that front only if you have some decent track riding experience. Otherwise the Ninja will turn out to be a great handler too. The RC hasn't been launched yet, so no one can talk about its handling apart from what the specs say, but considering that the Duke is already a great handler, and that KTM is making it even better, I'd expect the RC to have slight edge in handling.

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First of all, this is not to start a brand war, but to clarify some points as I am a N300 owner and have been using the bike for the past 11 months.

Your calculations about maintaining the bike are a bit off if I may say so. Yes, the parts are expensive no one can argue against that. However, what really matters is how long those parts last under normal wear and tear. Lets take the example of the oil filter that you have mentioned. The recommended oil and oil filter change interval for a N300 is 11,000 kms. Whereas the recommended oil and oil filter change for a Duke 390 (RC390 should also be similar) is 7,500 kms. Therefore, don't look at it as Rs. 900/- per filter, look at it from a cost per kilometre proposition. I don't know the cost of the Duke 390 oil filter, but I am assuming that it cost around 300 to 400.

Yes, the parts are expensive, as almost nothing is made out here, however the long service intervals do make up considerably for the cost.

Now coming to your point about some American forum people thinking about 'upgrading' to RC390, its because they want to try something different and has nothing to do with the quality of the Ninja. Nowhere on those forums do people say that because they are not satisfied with the quality of the Ninja they want to shift to the RC390. Not one of them says that they have tried the RC390 and found it to be a superior bike to the N300. They are again doing a comparison on paper.

In motorcycling world Kawasaki has reputation of being the BMW of Japan. The bikes created by Kawasaki are infamous for being long lasting bikes. That reputation is well deserved. Ask long time N250 owners and they will tell you that many of them have clocked over 65,000 to 75,000 kms, and their bike and engines are still going strong.

I will buy the RC390 for the reasons mentioned in my pervious post, but to compare it with the N300, nope, not happening, the N300 is a different animal.

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I had almost finalized my decision about getting the ninja. But I realised that buying the bike is just one thing, maintaining it afterwards is also a very costly affair. For example I read (correct me if I'm wrong) that the front fairing of the ninja, the whole thing is somewhere close to rupees 72,000! The brake pads are something like 1800 and the oil filter is..... wait for it.... 900 bucks (this freaked me out the most). I know you have to pay more for quality yada yada but this is ridiculous! I decided that it's in my best interest to not buy the ninja for now and wait for the rc390.
The funny thing is that I read on some American forum people are thinking of 'upgrading' from a ninja 300 to an Rc390/d390. Both bikes cost the same there. This made me think, do the people here rate the ninja above the Duke just because the former costs more? The mentality of majority of the people is to think that if something costs more, it must be better. I mean no offence to anybody on this forum.

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No point comparing the N300 with the RC390, because though they seem comparable, at the end of the day they offer different things. All said and done if I had the money I would go with N300 without as much as a blink. The quality of build and butter smooth revving twin from mid to high end and superior handling is worth every penny.

The RC390 packs a punch for the price it will be sold at and that's what makes it a great deal. The torque, ABS, 375cc and KTM in one package is something that cannot be dismissed. The only grouse being the Q from Bajaj.

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I'm having a really hard time deciding among the ninja 300 and the rc390. I watched almost all comparison videos and reviews on YouTube for both bikes. Read many reviews, went through many forums etc. etc. from the past one week. Although I'm a big fan of the ktm, I couldn't get the flawless ninja 300 out of my mind. I had gone to banjara Hills ktm (Hyderabad) yesterday and really loved the big bike feel of the ninja. But I had a great deal of fun while riding the Duke. I liked the 390 not just because it was more powerful and cheaper than the ninja, but because I think it's a genuinely great machine. I'm gonna go crazy!

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What you said is totally right.

I haven't ridden the N300 but I have ridden the N250R. I really liked the high revving twin cylinder engine on that. That's why I said that the Ninja leads on the engine front.
I know it is unfair to compare these bikes and I would love to own both if I had the money but when I can afford only one of them, it is only natural to compare among the options available. The specs I compare are only on paper as the RC hasn't been launched yet as you know. But the specs are too obvious to make the RC a better sport bike. The Ninja doesn't even have a clip on handle bar to start with. On the other hand, the RC has clip on handle bars, USD WP suspension, better rubbers among others which are the characteristics of a real sport/ a supersport. I have read all over the web where many current N300 owners who also ride 600cc bikes on track, have bashed the N300 for its supposedly bad 'commuter' handling and are eagerly waiting for the RC. I, on the other hand am a complete amateur compared to them and found the N250R to be a great handler and will find the 300 to be a great handler too. But when I can find an overall better sport package at a better price, I'll definitely consider that. I know the the RC's handling looks good on paper and hasn't been tested. But when the Duke is such a great handler, it's sort of expected that the sportier RC with more track focused adjustments will only handle better.
Moreover, some of the more experienced people I know who have ridden both the 300 and 390 have been of the opinion that the 390 is more fun to ride and the 300 feels tamer in comparison. So, I'm more inclined towards a bike which supposedly provides more fun and better handling at a better price. The quality is a bummer, so I'll wait for a year to check on them. If the poor quality of the KTMs continues, Ninja will hit the top of my priority list.

Re: KTM RC 390 Launch confirmed: xBhp News

You beat me to it. For the same reason I wanted to book the duke along with my Ninja 250, but decided otherwise. There is actually no comparison between the 2.

It's like comparing cars to bikes, apples to oranges, boys to girls and so on..