Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

135LS handles far better than the bikes present in it's segment, it's light, nimble & sharp. Were you comparing it to R15? then you need to notice there is almost 50k gap between those bikes. 200NS might not be the best handling bike, but it's one among those. Duke/R15 will be right there on top, 200NS follows them closely.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

i think one of the super sport bike that the bajaj is planning is the new variant on the older 180cc/150cc pulsar with styling similar to that of a NS and increasing the performance n a much better handling ....as they are running old in that segment after the launch of new apache rtr n r15 2.0...the change is needed definately...!!

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

that's like an exaggeration by calling it "pathetic" (it's quality is nicely improved over the P220).. still in your opinion it's "pathetic" in comparison to ? bikes that cost over 30k more ?

and about the smaller displacement Pulsar SS that is to be announced soon, lol my own feelings say that it's not gonna be anything over 220cc, may be a 225cc hardly, But they will keep it around 220cc only. But it should have superior handling and performance compared to the exsiting semi faired 220F.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Two things came to my mind.

1: People remember there was a test mule which looked exactly like p200ns last month. That could be the new p180ns. Coz the 180 need a big upgrade to fight with apache 160/180(Even we heard they are coming with bigger plans this year.)

2: People might remember when bajaj was developing a parallel twin, lc, 8v, 6 speed box & a full faring before the deal made with ktm. After that it went to scrap project. So why can bajaj develop that engine again with ktm tech & come with 500-600cc? It's my speculation when bajaj said one supersport bike & will be the fastest in the category. If they bringing this would change the game upside down.

Ps: I don't think the 300 naked or fully faired would come to market(it would be a total BS). 200ns might come with fi & fully faired.

A true rider looks for the heart(engine performance) than the make ups(looks).

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Well the speculation about 300cc is not totally bull**** per se.

If I remember correctly, I had read in a KTM blog that just like Duke 125 and Duke 200 engines belong to the same engine *platform*, there is another engine platform which ranges from some unrevealed number to 373cc (upper limit). The first bike based on the 2nd platform was obviously the Duke 390, but the lower range of this platform still remains unutilized. So a smaller capacity Duke/Pulsar/Some other bike between the existing 200 and 390 is not out of the question.

Maybe they could use the lower capacity engine on the Pulsar to keep it competitive in terms of FE with the 250s while still offering better power output (their standard process with all Pulsars). Doing this will effectively keep the positioning of the Pulsar clearly a notch below the Duke 390 which will also enable them to skimp on: (1) Metzeler tyres (use Duke 200 spec tyres instead), (2)ABS, (3)Exotic materials and (4)USD suspension without compromising on safety aspect of their product by much. Pricing it in the vicinity of CBR150R/Duke 200/ R15 will definitely send the proverbial cat among the pigeons.

Edit: Off Topic: With due respect to all 200NS owners, the switchgear on the Pulsar 220 (or for that matter, the 150 and 180 also) is much better than that used on the 200NS. Don't believe me? Try it out yourself! In the past almost 4 years, rain, snow or shine, not once has any of the switches on my Pulsar 220 switchgear has malfunctioned. Not even once! Can't say the same about a few months old 200NS (as mentioned in the post below).

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

ok, i need to clarify a bit more here...

in comparison to .... nothing. i am not comparing it with any other bike, just talking about quality.

in more detail, park it in open office parking in rainy season and in two days the pass switch start to get stuck when pressed, does not release... even other members experienced this.

two weeks ago, went to mumbai and on return journey, i stopped at a dhaba for tea. i was literally panicked when engine kill switch stopped function due to rain, bike will not start, speedometer light will not come. kept on trying like 15-20 times, when it started showing some signs of life intermittently, eventually after half an hour i was able to start the bike and ride it back home. ever since that day the engine kill switch throws tantrums once in a while if wet.

daily i have to put bike cover on it during office hours in office parking.

my old pulsar never had this problem, never used bike cover on old pulsar still no problem.

also the left handlbar switch is designed in a bit unergonomical way.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

No I did not compare 135 to R15, and please do not make the thread OT. Just using the words light,nimble and sharp doesn't help. Same three attributes are used for R15 also.
And I said that they should create a more track focused package as that's what a SuperSports badge means on bike, you get a bike that likes to be pushed hard along the straights and around the corners. Just adding a fairing doesn't mean Super sports like CBR250R is a sports tourer not super sports.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Hola..

Just peek at the Official Honda Motorcycle UK Website, the CBR150R and CBR250R (the 250R certainly is not a Track Focused bike.. not even remotely) have been categorized under "Super Sports"..

Also check out the Official Kawasaki UK website, they have NOT put the Ninja 300 (a bike that is definitely better handling than the R15) in the Super Sports category.


Moral: There is no fixed guidelines that defines which models a manufacture can categorize as Super Sports and which ones they cannot.. so Chill.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

I agree with what you said about the ongoing topic discussion.
About the switch gear discussion.. few weeks backs when I test rode 220F the only thing that I didn't like about it was it's switch gear alone and tachometer, the look of it, the quality was dated. But as you say here.. perhaps it's more reliable and well built than NS' and doesn't malfunction as often... or ever. but that's your own personal experience, doesn't mean no 220F ever had malfunctioning or getting stuck sort of issues. Just like that princesirohi shared his bad experience with the switch gear, while I haven't seen any problems with mine, yet. Could be he picked up a piece with faulty sort of switch gear. Inconsistency in quality from Bajaj is still there. They will improve. Leaving the debatable "malfunctioning" aside.. when I say switch gear quality improvement over the 220, i mean the looks, design and feel of it. And for many the indicator switch is not ergonomic.. though i've totally adjusted to it.

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Add the R15's fairing to a Passion pro and you got yourself a "Passion pro Super sport", cos it's India !! Have full rights to take it to the track. cos it's India !! (btw, im not insulting R15)

Unlike Yamaha not every company can create a 100% track focused bike, they have to build a performance bike that looks great, handles well, provides the racer boi sort of feel to an average rider on our roads.. and still is practical and comfortable to ride for very long distances. Like 200NS does while still being a naked bike. It's practical and I certainly don't look silly sitting on it, (I do look silly on R15) and it's immensely fun to throw this bike into curvy corners and sharp turns. and that for me is enough of a "track focused" bike.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Yes because its India, then just fool the people and lets add some fairing and an SS badge and sell it, what would they know about motorcycling.
Do you know that the new ZX 636, has been built keeping average rider in mind and yet it is track focused. It hasn't lost any of the track performance compared to the 2012 model yet better to drive on streets.
So bikes can be track focused while keeping an average rider in mind.
But it seems pulsar fan boys can not accept the fact that Bajaj can do no wrong.

And also you don't need to add faring to a normal bike to take it track, any bike can be ridden at track but the one which is a track focused package would be the most fun to drive.

Bajaj preparing 2;Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Just out of curiosity, what does the "rr" in sz-rr stand for? Look brother, this is india, most people here dont know what "track focused" means let alone want it. I get it. R15 is a track bike. Its well and good. Bajaj bikes are street bikes. They are built for the masses keeping in mind what they want. Every company puts meaning less stickers and claims on their bikes. Its been there for ages. So please dont get worked up over a name. If its a bike people like they will buy it. If they dont it wont sell. Its simple.

Bajaj is a company which started work on its own bikes not more than a decade ago insted of relying on the japaneese big four. They got in to a true technical partnership with a foreign brand rather than the basic indian policy of "you give engine and we make body" policy that has been there for ages. Give them some time and they will surprise you with an actual track focussed bike.

For the record: I am not a bajaj fanboy. I am a yamaha fan.
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Re: Bajaj preparing 2;Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Yes, that's what my point has been from the beginning. Companies not just Bajaj even Yamaha keeps fooling people by meaningless badges. It's because we are happy with whatever they give us. We don't demand don't ask for more.

I am a fan of Yamaha, still I hate what they are doing currently simply launching same bikes with new livery every now and then.

My point was if you are calling it a SS then it should behave & perform like one.
Anyways thread has gone OT so this is my last post on the SS badge topic

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

If youre a R15 fan boy then I must tell you that R15 v2.0 only appears like a track focused bike, it's merely a demo of what "a sports riding position" feels like while being impractical in everyday life in many ways. Forget the track, in a Stock bike there is hardly any power and torque to play with. You know YZF R125 on the other hand is even more aggressive in it's riding position but it's even more impractical for India. Duke200 however is an example of what a sports bike for India should be like, a bike that actually makes sense to me. 200NS being it's sibbling offers alot of the same while offering more in comfort + cheaper cost. Bajaj does know very well about Motorcycling in "India". Better than Yamaha/Honda.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

1.) SS is not a badge, it is a category. RR is a badge for track bikes (SZ-RR not included, its a moped in disguise).
2.) Pulsars were never meant for track and the faired ones wont be either. KTM version will be track focused as it is a export model whereas Faired pulsar is designed keeping aam janata in mind, it is designed so that the owners can, commute to office, pick up there children from school,take wife/gf out for shopping in 45Degree weather in massive raffic jams and Tour on weekends all on the same bike.
3.) Pure Track bikes are not practical in India. MMRC track is in south and in north india we have only BIC and its shitly expensive for a 150cc/250cc moped owner to go there every weekend just to feel there bikes underpowered in those huge corners.

Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

No I am not a R15 fanboy and I never said that its the perfect package for track. CBR150R is more suited to track because it performs at higher rev range, but still you'll be able to push much harder into a corner on a R15 than a 200NS.
Also, the example of 636 was to give you an idea that putting together a track focused package while keeping average rider in perspective is possible if the manufacturer wants. It doesn't matter how many cc's the bike has.

And at no point in my posts I have mentioned anything about R15, it was you who added 200NS and 135LS to the discussion. The thread was not about how a R15, a 200NS or a 135LS handles it was about how the bikes that Bajaj is planning under SuperSports category could be.

Is that so? That completely shows your fan boyism and utter ignorance to what every other manufacturer has to offer.