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**chinmayakar** · 09-28-2013, 09:37 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Gosh!!!! CBZ, Karizma were by far the best looking bikes from HH stable, and then all HELL broke loose when they released Xtreme and ZMR. I am sorry but I find Xtreme especially in current avtar and ZMR to be most ugly bikes here. Now new ZMR seems to have taken top spot.

How tough was it to retain original designs like CBZ and Karizma? Even today a well maintained CBZ looks way better than current crop of bikes.

**rreneav1987** · 09-28-2013, 09:59 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post

Now that I see it from the front I must say that its UGLY

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I was worried when the spy pictures showed the new ZMR to seem sexy with the split seats and raised proportion and all but now am Happy

no more regrets or worries

Same here.. i thought of getting the new fairing on my zmr and now i am like what was i thinking.. lol

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**Satyamzma** · 09-28-2013, 10:17 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Oh no.... we have to wait for specs to realease till Dec..

**rreneav1987** · 09-28-2013, 10:20 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post

expected to b 250cc, 33 bhp

The 250cc will br launched next year and the expected power is 27bhp and nothing more..

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**chinmayakar** · 09-28-2013, 10:26 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Looks like people here have better ideas than the team employed by Munjals. I guess they can bring back original CBZ with Karizma's engine. Also, they can lend Karizma's engine to Impulse, in the mean time, they can ask EBR or they themselves can tune Karizma engine for higher output, like a Big Bore or something.

Right now when companies like Bajaj and Honda have taken a lead in Premium segment with Dukes, CBRs, 200 NSs Hero should do something different to get noticed, like Bajaj did with Pulsars and KTM.

They need new ideas to take them forward.

**Satyamzma** · 09-28-2013, 11:02 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Looks better than the Original ZMR.. expectations were never sky high from Hero in the first place.

Very well said...Don't expect too much from Hero....and you will be happy ... waiting for Specs eagerly

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Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post

expected to b 250cc, 33 bhp

You are thinking of Kawasaki which is a Japanese Hero but actually its Indian Hero so hold on!

**veryhiphop** · 09-28-2013, 11:08 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

Very well said...Don't expect too much from Hero....and you will be happy ... waiting for Specs eagerly

Now see you are expecting from a technical specs.....

MG · 09-28-2013, 11:16 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Karizma used to the choice of enthusiasts (innovators and early adaptors) till 3-4 years back. Now it has become a sport bike mostly for masses (the followers and laggards)except for a few guys who are not to able find an alternative to ride with pillion. Current profile of Karizma are guys who are jumping directly from Spl and Shine to Karizma based on Hero and Karizma's brand name. See below image

I guess Hero had conducted various research among these people who would have been asked what all changes they would like to see in new Karizma and this is what have come out. The masses will most probably like this design because it is big and sporty for them. Though the raised rear seat is a question mark as that thing doesn't go well with them?

Similar story for ZMR too and hence we see those headlights like P220

Coming onto the engine of Karizma by the look it seems to be exactly the same engine so I guess power output will remain same. Even for ZMR I guess the tech spec will remain same. The new engine that has surfaced is probably the one that will do its duty on the 250cc slated to come next year.

So Karizma and ZMR will remain the bike for masses and the new 250cc will be targeted at the Innovators and Early adaptors who are currently with Yamaha and Bajaj and some with Honda

**rreneav1987** · 09-28-2013, 11:39 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by MG View Post

Karizma used to the choice of enthusiasts (innovators and early adaptors) till 3-4 years back. Now it has become a sport bike mostly for masses (the followers and laggards)except for a few guys who are not to able find an alternative to ride with pillion. Current profile of Karizma are guys who are jumping directly from Spl and Shine to Karizma based on Hero and Karizma's brand name. See below image

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I guess Hero had conducted various research among these people who would have been asked what all changes they would like to see in new Karizma and this is what have come out. The masses will most probably like this design because it is big and sporty for them. Though the raised rear seat is a question mark as that thing doesn't go well with them?

Similar story for ZMR too and hence we see those headlights like P220

Coming onto the engine of Karizma by the look it seems to be exactly the same engine so I guess power output will remain same. Even for ZMR I guess the tech spec will remain same. The new engine that has surfaced is probably the one that will do its duty on the 250cc slated to come next year.

So Karizma and ZMR will remain the bike for masses and the new 250cc will be targeted at the Innovators and Early adaptors who are currently with Yamaha and Bajaj and some with Honda

Quite possible with that theory of yours.. however, when they said refresh models, I was expecting something to look better, I don't think the refreshed Karizma R looks better, but looks uglier than the current model.. and the ZMR to my eyes IMO looks horrible with those huge fairings.. Not upto my taste and I am quite happy with the looks of ZMR..

but God knows how good they look in flesh so lets wait for the beasts to hit the showrooms and roads..

coming to the power point of view.. they said these bikes perform better than the current models, which means.. probably a little tweak here and there to give a better performance figures.. but we should not expect anything more than a 18.6 bhp :P and lets hope the weight of the ZMR has reduced as the fairing doesn't look as bulky as the present ZMR..

MG · 09-28-2013, 11:44 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Quite possible with that theory of yours.. however, when they said refresh models, I was expecting something to look better, I don't think the refreshed Karizma R looks better, but looks uglier than the current model.. and the ZMR to my eyes IMO looks horrible with those huge fairings.. Not upto my taste and I am quite happy with the looks of ZMR..

As I said it might not suit our taste buds but what the the prospective buyer of Karizma and ZMR thinks about these models is important for them.

New Karizma and ZMR story is very similar to the new Apache story where probably all the owners and others said that the biggest negative about Apache is that it looks small but then the company forgot it is also its biggest USP as being small and compact makes it different from other models and was catering to a niche

**rreneav1987** · 09-28-2013, 11:50 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by MG View Post

As I said it might not suit our taste buds but what the the prospective buyer of Karizma and ZMR thinks about these models is important for them.

New Karizma and ZMR story is very similar to the new Apache story where probably all the owners and others said that the biggest negative about Apache is that it looks small but then the company forgot it is also its biggest USP as being small and compact makes it different from other models and was catering to a niche

Point to be accepted.. the new ZMR will be better for touring purposes and probably thats why the dual headlights and a big front visor.. after all.. people are buying the Karizma and the ZMR mainly for touring purposes and this might help in this sense..

eagerly waiting to see the specs sheet of these bikes.. anything below 19bhp is a big let down

**chinmayakar** · 09-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by MG View Post

Karizma used to the choice of enthusiasts (innovators and early adaptors) till 3-4 years back. Now it has become a sport bike mostly for masses (the followers and laggards)except for a few guys who are not to able find an alternative to ride with pillion. Current profile of Karizma are guys who are jumping directly from Spl and Shine to Karizma based on Hero and Karizma's brand name. See below image

[ATTACH=CONFIG]118648[/ATTACH]

I guess Hero had conducted various research among these people who would have been asked what all changes they would like to see in new Karizma and this is what have come out. The masses will most probably like this design because it is big and sporty for them. Though the raised rear seat is a question mark as that thing doesn't go well with them?

Similar story for ZMR too and hence we see those headlights like P220

Coming onto the engine of Karizma by the look it seems to be exactly the same engine so I guess power output will remain same. Even for ZMR I guess the tech spec will remain same. The new engine that has surfaced is probably the one that will do its duty on the 250cc slated to come next year.

So Karizma and ZMR will remain the bike for masses and the new 250cc will be targeted at the Innovators and Early adaptors who are currently with Yamaha and Bajaj and some with Honda

Agreed to all that theorey, however when it comes to market share, Hero is behind Honda and Bajaj in Premium segments. This is not something I have made out of thin air, few days back there was an article in NDTV Business, which mentioned the reasons why Hero could loose significant market share in near future. Their share prices have made little progress compared to rival Bajaj. There was a time when Bajaj share price was half of Hero Honda, and today they are neck to neck.

Coming to the point, market has moved on from Karizma days. The fact that they are at the bottom of premium segment and loosing market share, shows people expect more from what they have to offer.

India is a big market, there are buyers for everything. Even Mojo in its previous avtar will find buyers. Hero has to move on, think out of the box.

**cool20bud** · 09-28-2013, 12:25 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Hey guys ,has anyone noticed that there are 2 types of ZMR here in the picctures.One is with full fairing and other with half fairing.Does it means that ZMR could possibly be available in 2 variants??

**veryhiphop** · 09-28-2013, 12:45 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by cool20bud View Post

Hey guys ,has anyone noticed that there are 2 types of ZMR here in the picctures.One is with full fairing and other with half fairing.Does it means that ZMR could possibly be available in 2 variants??

The half faired version is ZMA....

**rreneav1987** · 09-28-2013, 12:55 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR 2013 unveiled at Macau: xBhp News

Originally posted by cool20bud View Post

Hey guys ,has anyone noticed that there are 2 types of ZMR here in the picctures.One is with full fairing and other with half fairing.Does it means that ZMR could possibly be available in 2 variants??

Buddy.. like [MENTION=14688]veryhiphop[/MENTION] has mentioned.. the half faired is the new Karizma R - 2013 and the full faired is the ZMR..

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