Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

that one person, is a thunderbird user, he may not like this position. But this is very comfortable when compared to sporty bikes with their crouched position.

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[MENTION=27501]rreneav1987[/MENTION] just use earphones and don't worry about engine sound , if it performs well.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

fullmoon, I don't mean to dissuade you from choosing a bike you like to buy. I'm just placing what facts I know on the table.

A lot of things can change the engine character, from gearing to camshafts. Please understand most Indian manufacturers are years away from producing an engine in house which can rival the sophistication of Japanese and European motorcycles. The ns 200 had a Duke 200 motor, with some differences. Similarly, the Duke 390 engine was shared with Bajaj as part of their agreement. Now, everybody is free to buy what they want, that's the beauty of good competition.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Can you guys confirm whether its having SOHC not DOHC?

so far i have noticed its mentioned in Bike dekho as its SOHC officially.. in zigwheels its some user who mentioned it as SOHC.. bajaj dominar site doesnt show it as a SOHC.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

great to see Japs are not loosing support regardless of what competition does

Dominar has created a lot of hype. some posts back someone was saying he wouldve got this instead of duke if it had launched then.

Anyways i feel bajaj has nailed the bike. it was apparent when i sat on it. ergonomics are just perfect. closest i can think would be gixxer. its upright and comfy but just a hint of front end feel for that connectedness and feedback.

dual dash look great. also meaty tank gives a feel of big bike.

also matt finish on handlebar and triple clamp looks great. handle bar grips are soft and much better than previous ones that earned duke range international infamy

it almost feels like bajaj put as much effort on it as yamaha when they launched r15 and fz back in 2008.

only thing remains to be seen is reliability. love duke 390 but only thing stopping is reliability. both bmw and ktm bikes are not well known for reliability. i was surprised bmw gs breaks down as much as people wrote on forums.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

I was told that mine booking is the first at malad Mumbai showroom. I would be very disappointed if someonee has already got hold of it while I m waiting for bajaj guys to call

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Did anyone notice that the top speed on the speedo is achieved around 9000rpm in you tube videos? For what is the rpm marked until 13k then? Is there enough potential that can be unlocked via custom maps? Enlighten me if the word is already out about this..

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

0-60-90 kmph video of the Dominar 400.

[video=[URL]https://youtu.be/Oh8M7t1rQjc[/URL]][URL]https://youtu.be/Oh8M7t1rQjc[/URL][/video]

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Don't get me wrong here. I wasn't talking about the age by engine tech. I was talking about the product life here.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

First of all you don't have to do in house when you can buy things off the shelf. It's a question of strategy and economics. Why do in house when you have liquid cash to splurge and you can buy what you are looking for? Companies do it all the time. Bajaj/Hero are awash with cash. Why would they expend resources on something when that thing is readily available relatively cheaper?
Do you really think if Hero/Bajaj wanted now they won't be able to mobilize the immense resources to come up with something great in house? Though I do believe somewhat that most Indian institutions/organizations are laggards when it comes to ingenuity and invention(take for example the Tejas program), but how much of that is attributable to the Indian 'mentality' and how much is because of ground realities-red tape/funding in case of government institutions and market realities for private enterprises- can be debatable. I suspect it's overwhelmingly the latter.
I'd argue this by using the example of the British motorcycle industry. Royal Enfield, BSA, Norton, all well established and respected companies in their heyday-fell by the wayside when the cheap Japanese imports started to flood in. Does it mean the English lack invention? No, in this instance they were slow or unable to react and the British government didn't interfere with the way of the market.
In the case of Indian manufacturers, the government was protectionist in the beginning so they weren't forced to invent which worked to their advantage or else they'd have been overrun by the Japs. Now they have the money and resources to invent but the consumers don't really want bigger better stuff. You and I don't count in the bigger scheme of things. Look at the numbers the Splendors and Glamours and Activas do. The Dominars get dominated big time on sales charts and are just a speck in the end of quarter power point presentations. So it's not really that Indian talent is totally incapable of developing in house(look at Isro for example), but the conditions are not really favourable.
Coming to the perceived Japanese quality. I'd say this has increasingly become a myth now. I won't vouch for quality of Indian stuff surely.I can't given the numerous niggles I had with the duke 200, but it was first batch.I am sure the later batches were better. The perception of quality by the Japs was built over time in Europe(especially for Honda, Suzuki's are usually panned for lack of quality). In India the reputation was built on selling 100cc bikes which were not new designs. The engines were usually well established copies sold in the Indian market with an Indian partner. When they launched something completely new(new means everything new, not an old engine sold in Brazil in a new frame in India), their bikes had problems as well-remember the CBR250 first batches had some niggles-even in quality sensitive Europe, though the scale might have been smaller, I have no way to confirm that. I am on the lookout for a previous gen litre and some of things I am coming across is eye opening.
The GSXR1000 K5 , the king of the pure hair chested litrebikes when it came out in 2005 had frame issues. The frame used to simply break off from the headstock welds.Suzuki did an official recall.
The 2004 zx10r, which has a reputation of being a true nutter bike, such is the ferocious nature of the engine and dynamics, had frame cracking issues as well. The frames used to crack open at the welds. Think of this, Jap bikes-not any but flagships-from two vaunted Jap companies, had frames cracking open and one ended up in an official recall. The 2004-2007 Fireblades had some parts almost identified as consumables. The rectifier, stator and other electricals in general.Check the owner forums and they are replete with threads on how to upgrade to better R/R units for the fireblade.
The 2008-09 blade had oil burning issues, in many cases upto 100 ml per 100 miles?I think there is a thread here in xbhp of an Indian guy with a black 08 fireblade and his bike used to just shut down in bumper to bumper traffic. The service centre used to simply change the battery but the problem would resurface. It is an old inactive thread but I could instantly pinpoint the problem was the RR unit not able to take up the load in the Indian heat and not working.It'd work again when cold but the heat cycles would eventually fry the R/R one fine day as it simply could not take the load in the Indian heat, may be even the stator was fried.I hope the guy diagnosed it soon enough before spending a fortune on new batteries as I don't see any fix in that thread for the issue. My cbr600 and many Honda's from the same era have a weak cam chain tensioner. In many cases bike eats them away like engine oil-almost a consumable, change every 6 months.
My point is the Japs with their year's of experience have faced problems, even with their flagships. Desi companies will eventually produce quality and bigger bikes when the market is ready as they have enough resources and money at their disposal, just not the motivation.

And I need to learn how to express myself in fewer words

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Wonder why Bajaj don't have a Black D400.

Sorry. No Indian bike manufacturer is capable of "coming up with something great in-house"

There's no beating around the bush here; There aren't any Indian engineers in India who have the brains to build an Inline 4 'in-house.'

Hero/Bajaj would have to BUY the technology. Heck, Even the D400 exists purely because of the KTM 390.

History kinda repeated itself with the RC390/D400 just like the Kawasaki Eliminator/ Bajaj Avenger.

If you open up a Kawasaki Eliminator and compare it to the innards of a Bajaj Avenger... the Eliminator engine is a thing of beauty.

There is very little hope for this generation to see a proper Superbike from India. It's a hard pill to swallow.

But Indian manufacturers are the equivalent of academic backbenchers.


ALL companies around the world run with their primary motivation being profit.

But, in India, these losers want to be protected by the government and continually just build 100/200cc scooters/bikes forever.

In a third world country, there is zero scope (technologically/financially) for an 'in-house' superbike.

India has bigger problems to solve. Like building proper roads and infrastructure, and educating Indians on the meaning of civic sense.

Yes, eventually it will happen. It will be decades later.


The Pulsar 180 came out more than 15 years ago. And now we have a decent 400cc. But this 400cc would not have existed if not for KTM tech.

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Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Doga - the British motorcycles companies actually built motorcycles before the Jap imports came in. Name one Indian company which built a fresh, new, indigenous motorcycle before British and Jap tech came to India.


Hero was making bicycles before. RE was a British company. Ashok Leyland? British. Hindustan Motors built cars based on European cars.

Hero and Bajaj and Maruti Udyog cannot, even now, make a reliable engine inhouse, even if they had 50,000 crore to spend on RnD. That's why they enter into a partnership with a foreign "tech partner" with their tails down.

The problems you mentioned with Jap bikes were due to cost cutting and "cheapest bidder" economics, which were solved with the later models, not because of lack of technology. Wrong example, mate.

And don't blame the Indian mentality and bigger scheme of things for lack of products from Indian companies. ISRO is doing a marvelous job, but they don't make motorcycles.

The Duke 200, you own, is a result of foreign technology. You actually believed Bajaj made them? Even the Chetak was based on an Italian scooter Vespa Sprint.

If it was only about money, then Indians would be ruling the world now. But it never was about money alone. Technology is the reason we failed to check invaders, and technology is the reason why we are a third world country.

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

[MENTION=74845]srisathiyan89[/MENTION] it is SOHC Buddy [MENTION=58594]leech[/MENTION], It's great to know CBR 250 is quiet okay with mineral oil.If one has bajaj bike, they need to use engine oil separately,not depending on bajaj service center.Xionite is right, p180 would have been quiet happy with motul 300 [MENTION=12965]xionite[/MENTION], see that is the reason, why Indian companies doesn't want to spend on R&D, When they launch an expensive bike with quality equal to its foreign counterparts, people will not buy it, thinking "why should i buy a indian bike so costly?"...

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Moreover.another reason to the such a deal breaking price of Dominar is, they didn't have to invest too much on the R&D which has been already invested by KTM!!

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

Thanks for the info dear!

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

No not the drag race videos. Vikash owns a D390 and it's more of a Duke vs Dominar comparision video. He is making some sense also like Dominar gives a big bike feel, high seeped stability is better on the Dominar and it a more practical bike based on our road conditions. That's what is confusing me now.

For me exhaust note doesn't make much difference, all I'm looking for is fresh looking motorcycle with good performance and should be reliable when taken good care of the bike. And heart is set on the 2017 Duke 390.

The video I'm talking about:

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Launched at 1.36 Lakh with 35Ps and 35Nm!

ok i saw his 0-100 timing videos. if dominar is managing 0-100 runs under 7 secs thats really impressive.

if you want better performance, duke is right choice. only thing duke may get beaten is reliability provided dominar is as reliable as pulsar 200ns. having used duke for long rides and being r15 rider, i find it to be very comfortable. engine heat is managable but i rode it in September. may-june may be different story.