After owning karizma and p220 for a good amount of time, my understanding changed.

Many of the fiber parts break on our rough roads easily and cost a bomb to replace.

RR may have 180mm of ground clearance but beware. It’s wheel base is low too. So karizma or 220 might not scrape speed breakers but RR310 will scrape. That’s a big concern for me.

And for the guys who are complaining about no TDs. Seriously guys are you people some serious technical and experienced riders who would make a judgement within 15 minutes being on the bike !? I think the YouTube reviews are all enough for me

It’s wheel base is low too. So karizma or 220 might not scrape speed breakers but RR310 will scrape.

My RTR is 3+ years old now, never had the fiber breaking issue, touch wood.

Also, Wheel base low? how does a short wheel base lead to scrapes?

Explain the logic behind this please.

I don't care if the fiber breaks on a regular RTR. Who Cares?
I don't think they break. Because they are small. Look at RR, each piece is almost 3 ft tall. When the size increases, rigidity goes down.
Try to bend a 1 Rs Coin. Tough.
Try to bend a steel rod which is of same thickness as a 1Rs Coin and is over 3 feet. Super Easy.


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Check this image, Not a CAD guy, but a Visio guy, so image is not perfect.

The first line connecting both wheels is at the wheel center.
The second line, say is the ground clearance line.

in the case of shorter wheel base vehicle, when the vehicle goes into a ditch or pot hole, As the rear is close to front wheel, the vehicle makes a sudden dip. Causing the ground clearance line to touch the ground.
Where as in the case of Long wheel base vehicle, As the wheels are too far away from each other, when one wheel dips, the other is still far away, because of this, the ground clearance line still might not touch the ground.
God, i am not able to express correctly, i hope you got the point.

The colour defect reason was given to me as well. I was told to get the black one and get done with the purchase once and for all which is available immediately. This was a week back.

A couple of days back talked to the person who is managing the bookings. His name is Shree. He told me that there are 12 red bookings ahead of me. I am the 13th. And none of the bikes have left from Hosur. They are supposed to leave from Hosur this week. Allotment call will be made if the required number of bikes leave from Hosur. If 13 red bikes leave from Hosur, I will get the call the same day. These will take a week to reach Mumbai post which RTO formalities which will take another week. So far only 3 red deliveries have been made. So nothing concrete at the moment. The earliest I am expecting delivery is Feb end. Though now I am bit finnicky about the quality inspection that would be done at their end cause they would now be operating at more than 100% efficiency due to BMW production and their own as well.

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And for the guys who are complaining about no TDs. Seriously guys are you people some serious technical and experienced riders who would make a judgement within 15 minutes being on the bike !? I think the YouTube reviews are all enough for me. Idk how a vbox test can be staged incase you guys think that the bike is being projected faster than it actually is. Other mechanical things can be checked in the display bikes as well. Like what serious shit can you guys unearth which the experienced reviewers couldn't get !?

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Okay. One more thing. The person who was riding the dominar in the motorbeam video of drag race between RC390, RR310 and dominar, he was the among the 1st buyer of Apache 310 RR on the day the deliveries started. I was there during the time of deliveries. He had the bike to him during review for a whole day. He said there are vibrations but nothing too serious. He was mighty impressed with the bike. If that's some consolation for people wanting the TD. Although not even allowing people to sit on the bike is a little too extreme. We were allowed TD in the dealership compound. Just a small TD which I took after a month of booking the bike.

The logic, longer the plastic more fragile doesnt work that way all the time. If designed well, which iam sure would have been taken care by engineers, the length doesnt matter when comes body panel in motorcycle.
With regard to the wheel base and hitting bums, the gound clearance is calculated considering the lowest point of the bike, not the swing arm . the only time it will hit is while encountering very hig speed breaker and the motorcycle is fully loaded such a way the rear suspension is almost at its extreme compression. And for your explanation, when one wheel is in deep hole, then if the wheel base shorter, it should have more clearance because for shorter distance the angle connecting the wheel will be greater wrt horizontal since the wheel center is same for all the bikes.
I could able to understand your logic there. May be i am missing something.

RR may have 180mm of ground clearance but beware. It’s wheel base is low too. So karizma or 220 might not scrape speed breakers but RR310 will scrape. That’s a big concern for me.

I don't care if the fiber breaks on a regular RTR. Who Cares?
I don't think they break. Because they are small. Look at RR, each piece is almost 3 ft tall. When the size increases, rigidity goes down.
Try to bend a 1 Rs Coin. Tough.
Try to bend a steel rod which is of same thickness as a 1Rs Coin and is over 3 feet. Super Easy.


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Check this image, Not a CAD guy, but a Visio guy, so image is not perfect.

The first line connecting both wheels is at the wheel center.
The second line, say is the ground clearance line.

in the case of shorter wheel base vehicle, when the vehicle goes into a ditch or pot hole, As the rear is close to front wheel, the vehicle makes a sudden dip. Causing the ground clearance line to touch the ground.
Where as in the case of Long wheel base vehicle, As the wheels are too far away from each other, when one wheel dips, the other is still far away, because of this, the ground clearance line still might not touch the ground.
God, i am not able to express correctly, i hope you got the point.

RR may have 180mm of ground clearance but beware. It’s wheel base is low too. So karizma or 220 might not scrape speed breakers but RR310 will scrape. That’s a big concern for me.

Actually the Wheelbase of the RR310 is the longest of the three bikes owing to its reverse inclined engine!
Wheelbase / Ground Clearance of RR310 is 1365mm/180mm, Zmr is 1360mm/145mm, Pulsar 220 is 1350mm/160mm.

haha, I am a Visio man myself too. But brother, GC itself means the lowest point. Why or how would it be dependent on wheelbase unless you are going offroading and are having long and weird angles due to potholes.

Actually the Wheelbase of the RR310 is the longest of the three bikes owing to its reverse inclined engine!
Wheelbase / Ground Clearance of RR310 is 1365mm/180mm, Zmr is 1360mm/145mm, Pulsar 220 is 1350mm/160mm.

Adding a few line drawings showing the likeliness of a RR310 / ZMR scraping bumps based on Wheelbase / Ground Clearance.

Roads in my city resemble tough off-roading environment. I hope this answers your question
Roads around my home might resemble Dakar. I might do well at Dakar but not at top speed though.



Man, Those are some nice drawings.. Which tool did you use? Are those numbers correct, i mean as per specs of the bikes mentioned?

I didn't knew that RR310 has longer wheelbase than Zma and others.
All reviews say that TVS did Inclined engine to reduce wheelbase and used longer swing arm for agility. This was inline with other Apache's which have shorter wheelbase. Didn't care to check the actual numbers because, everyone was saying the same everywhere. Shorter wheelbase and longer swing arm. Thanks for the clarifications.

Ran through the images again.
I think, in all images of RR310, the GC line is biased. I mean, its close to the center of circle. We all know, the GC line should be hardly few inches above the ground, but in your images, its closer to center, but they are too far away for Zma and others.
Could you check once again and confirm ?

So Hyderabad has only one dealer, and he mentioned that On-road price is 2.4L(rounded it) and that both colors have a waiting period of 60 days!
Booking amount of 35k. No Test drives.

Sad life.