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  • ^^How come you know? Have you seen the bike in flesh? if yes where, when?

    Edit: Oh just read the lower portion of your post.
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    • Originally posted by BANDHAV View Post
      ^^How come you know? Have you seen the bike in flesh? if yes where, when?

      Edit: Oh just read the lower portion of your post.
      It is all over the internet, Bandhav. You don't need to see the bike in flesh to notice that. Also, if you did happen to read a few previews/ reviews/ road-tests of the machine, in some, it is actually mentioned that the 250R sticker's absence might very well mislead people to believe that it is actually a 600cc machine!

      As for seeing it in flesh, I would love to, someday. Trust me!
      :)

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      • Originally Posted by chetanpulsar
        6. He also mentioned that the bike has some self-correcting feature in the Fi-Engine part (didn't understand what he meant ) and the mechanics don't need to open up anything if anything goes wrong.

        Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
        now somebody please explain me this that how it's injector will clean itself when it'll be shaking hands with our oh so pure fuel....
        There's going to be no self cleaning. If you get dirt in your tank, you better hope the fuel filter does it's job properly. Otherwise you're going to end up having to disassemble a fair bit of the bike to get to the injectors and clean them.

        The self correcting bit they are talking about is probably the lambda (oxygen) sensor in the exhaust. This is used in a closed loop FI system to measure the AFR. As he also mentions it needs CO setting less often, this would be because of running a closed loop FI. It measures the CO (not exactly, but a direct cousin of it) continuously and adjusts in real time

        Also since it is running a modern ECU, there's going to be a port for a diagnostic tool (similar to the 220FI) somewhere. This port will allow the mechanics to read out all the status codes and, if present, failure codes to more quickly diagnose a problem. Sort of car technology.

        That's about all there is to it.
        Last edited by Andante; 10-06-2009, 11:36 AM. Reason: Spelling fix

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        • Does the 250 come with the positive neutral finder as well?
          Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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          • Originally posted by Andante View Post
            Originally Posted by chetanpulsar
            6. He also mentioned that the bike has some self-correcting feature in the Fi-Engine part (didn't understand what he meant ) and the mechanics don't need to open up anything if anything goes wrong.



            There's going to be no self cleaning. If you get dirt in your tank, you better hope the fuel filter does it's job properly. Otherwise you're going to end up having to disassemble a fair bit of the bike to get to the injectors and clean them.

            The self correcting bit they are talking about is probably the lambda (oxygen) sensor in the exhaust. This is used in a closed loop FI system to measure the AFR. As he also mentions it needs CO setting less often, this would be because of running a closed loop FI. It measures the CO (not exactly, but a direct cousin of it) continuously and adjusts in real time

            Also since it is running a modern ECU, there's going to be a port for a diagnostic tool (similar to the 220FI) somewhere. This port will allow the mechanics to read out all the status codes and, if present, failure codes to more quickly diagnose a problem. Sort of car technology.

            That's about all there is to it.
            Now that is kinda good new for all the performance modders out there~!

            Heck stickers or no stickers... let the good times roll!

            Also about the Hard seat, that I believe is a standard feature in MOST sports bike... The hardshell on R15 was more like a joke
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            • Originally posted by BANDHAV View Post
              ^^How come you know? Have you seen the bike in flesh? if yes where, when?

              Edit: Oh just read the lower portion of your post.
              I guess the edit part is a hint? After all Bajaj, I would expect, will do the needful to promote its own brand (or the collaboration). So some cosmetic (stickering kind) changes are expected possibly.

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              • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                Now that is kinda good new for all the performance modders out there~!

                Heck stickers or no stickers... let the good times roll!

                Also about the Hard seat, that I believe is a standard feature in MOST sports bike... The hardshell on R15 was more like a joke
                Make no mistake here, there's going to be no benefit to performance modders, except for maybe being able to swap the exhaust muffler. Any changes that let more air into the cylinders, like K&N air filters, will still require a reprogrammed ECU, since the lambda sensor can only adjust within certain limits. For situations where you're driving with a large throttle opening, it still runs open loop. (It ignores the feedback from the sensor.) And this is where enough fuel really matters.

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                • Originally posted by Andante View Post
                  Make no mistake here, there's going to be no benefit to performance modders, except for maybe being able to swap the exhaust muffler. Any changes that let more air into the cylinders, like K&N air filters, will still require a reprogrammed ECU, since the lambda sensor can only adjust within certain limits. For situations where you're driving with a large throttle opening, it still runs open loop. (It ignores the feedback from the sensor.) And this is where enough fuel really matters.
                  Two Catcons (to get rid off ), a port to study the ECU maps... a Lambda sensor to allow even a small bump (people here even make do with a FID) ....throw in a PC3 and bingo!
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                  #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                  #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                  #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                  #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
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                  • @rennycornelius: The pillion seat can be replaced with a seat cowl ala the SBKs, look here: Kawasaki Ninja 250R | 2009 Accessories
                    Thats the advantage of having a split seat!
                    Bikes like the R15, Interceptor etc.which have a single seat will have the cowl strapped on.
                    Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                    • Originally posted by Aryan View Post
                      @ChetanPulsar: There are absolutely NO stickers whatsoever on the Ninja which says "250R". There is Ninja and Kawasaki written on it, obviously, but NO 250R!

                      If, just before the model goes on sale, Bajaj themselves decide to put such a sticker, then, that's a different story, but the Ninja 250 does not come with any "250R" sticker, worldwide.
                      Thats what the internationally going Ninja comes with. Well thats just the news that I have .
                      Btw... even I haven't seen any "250R" on the Indian going model (which are all over the net).

                      EDIT: One more thing that I can remember of is about that gears, you have to come to neutral always while you move from 2nd to 1st gear... you cannot go directly from 2nd to 1st... and it seems like works like that for all Ninjas (donno what it means and how it works).
                      Last edited by chetanpulsar; 10-06-2009, 01:12 PM.
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                      • 6. He also mentioned that the bike has some self-correcting feature in the Fi-Engine part (didn't understand what he meant ) and the mechanics don't need to open up anything if anything goes wrong.7. The whole fairing fits via 3 clips and 4 nuts and is very easily removable.
                        I think what he means is that unlike other FI bikes this bike can be diagnosed easily as it puts out the engine error code on the console under specific procedure & this procedure is much simpler to perform than what needs to be done for the P220 FI

                        Dont ask me how I know this
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                        • @bandhav, can u please confirm if there is a financing option available??

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                          • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                            Two Catcons (to get rid off ), a port to study the ECU maps... a Lambda sensor to allow even a small bump (people here even make do with a FID) ....throw in a PC3 and bingo!
                            You're assuming the ECU will allow you to access all that. It doesn't have to. Look at the R15, P220Fi. Both are running an ECU, but allow only minor adjustment. On top of that the port may not be a standard port, it can be some kawasaki specific thing just as well.

                            I don't mean to rain on your parade, just that we need to wait and watch what it actually going to be provided. I'm speaking from what I've generally seen in european motorcycles/cars. And since this one is going to be the Euro version, it should have all the same gadgetry.

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                              • @chetanpulsar: That is the positive neutral finder technology by Kawasaki that I was talking about earlier.
                                Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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