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**Devilpulsarian** · 09-21-2009, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Bunny View Post

I am not really surprised seeing such kidding and immaturish replies here about the upgrapde. Most members here seem to find fault with every new bike / new upgrade , overlooking the good things.
Having ridden and thrashed the new Karizma, i can safely say it is indeed a step in the right direction. How can you guys miss the fairing, rear disc, better suspension, better rear lamp, fully digitial console et al? Just coz its almost got the same power or what? Dont miss out the FI, oil cooler and stuff. And obviously, dont judge the bike without riding it or better still, picking up our October issue

Peace!

What should we do first, ride the bike or buy Bike's Oct issue...

**Priyatam** · 09-21-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Bunny View Post

I am not really surprised seeing such kidding and immaturish replies here about the upgrapde. Most members here seem to find fault with every new bike / new upgrade , overlooking the good things.
Having ridden and thrashed the new Karizma, i can safely say it is indeed a step in the right direction. How can you guys miss the fairing, rear disc, better suspension, better rear lamp, fully digitial console et al? Just coz its almost got the same power or what? Dont miss out the FI, oil cooler and stuff. And obviously, dont judge the bike without riding it or better still, picking up our October issue

Peace!

Right post @ Right time. Thanks. Eagerly waiting for Oct issue. Any scoops?

**HydBiker** · 09-21-2009, 01:20 PM

okay... Bunny spilled some oil...! the ZMR has an oil cooler radiator... Honda has it in the Twister (CBX 250)... so some parts from the crank case would have changed at least to accommodate the oil cooler pipes.

PS: There was news that Honda imported 2 containers of CBX 250 parts about 6 months back. Could it be for the ZMR or could it be for another Honda in the making?

**vipin_s** · 09-21-2009, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

Karizma ZMR coming in Black, Blue, Red & White... full fairing, fully digital console.... hmmm... FI but no Liquid cooling. Looks - killer. But some charm of the Old ZMA would be missed.

Those crying about power... remember, the power figures people specify are the peak ones... what matters is how leaner the power delivery is across the RPM range. We have seen enough examples recently that upset our expectations. Why all this noise about power without knowing the real specifications???

Also, why don't you guys let the scoop news providers live in peace. I believe every scoop news is correct in one way or the other. Making an automobile is not a multiple choice question paper where you select the perfect answer to get your marks. Companies develop and test numerous combinations. Only one of them hits the showrooms. People who've got scoop news would have got info from any of the model tested.

After all this, there was one guys who told clearly (before HH Hunk Launch) that HH is making a fully faired ZMA FI with the same engine, clip-ons and most components would belong to existing ZMA. Someone heated him up with a very intimidating argument and he was infracted. We've lost many such people from xBhp just because of these stupid arguments and erratic comments.

If we loose such contributors there won't be much credibility to the forum in the long run. People who know info would keep numb and we would be shooting in the dark.

Originally posted by Bunny View Post

I am not really surprised seeing such kidding and immaturish replies here about the upgrapde. Most members here seem to find fault with every new bike / new upgrade , overlooking the good things.
Having ridden and thrashed the new Karizma, i can safely say it is indeed a step in the right direction. How can you guys miss the fairing, rear disc, better suspension, better rear lamp, fully digitial console et al? Just coz its almost got the same power or what? Dont miss out the FI, oil cooler and stuff. And obviously, dont judge the bike without riding it or better still, picking up our October issue

Peace!

Seniors always make up for sensible and useful posts !!

@ Bunny_Sir : ....Most immature comments are on specs. you have responsibility to bring peace to the thread by just clarifying specs .....Will buy Oct. issue in dozens if you clarify specs...

**bobby_wish59** · 09-21-2009, 01:55 PM

can anyone who has test ridden this bike tell if this is suitable for short heighted riders or is it like the new cbz x ?

**vipin_s** · 09-21-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by bobby_wish59 View Post

can anyone who has test ridden this bike tell if this is suitable for short heighted riders or is it like the new cbz x ?

HH bikes are mostly "comfort fit" for variety of physiques. Since ZMR has clip-ons we need to wait and feel the bike before commenting. Clip-ons look like they are adjustable like one on RTR.

**Satellite.kid** · 09-21-2009, 02:06 PM

@Bunny: Thanks man, you and the likes should post more often on this site, so that some sense will always prevail!!! I am impatiently looking forward to ride this motorcycle , similar specs or not!

**Andante** · 09-21-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by bobby_wish59 View Post

can anyone who has test ridden this bike tell if this is suitable for short heighted riders or is it like the new cbz x ?

Nobody on the forum has test ridden this bike as of yet, except for Bunny. However, he won't say anything, since it's for the magazine he's with. So wait and see.

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

HH bikes are mostly "comfort fit" for variety of physiques. Since ZMR has clip-ons we need to wait and feel the bike before commenting. Clip-ons look like they are adjustable ones ....not like 'fixed type' that are on P220.

As for this comment, why drag the P220 into the discussion? You really seem to like making inflammatory comments.

As said, no one here has test driven this bike, except people like Bunny, and I'm pretty sure they won't drop the ball until the october issue is out.

**vipin_s** · 09-21-2009, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Andante View Post

As for this comment, why drag the P220 into the discussion? You really seem to like making inflammatory comments.

I just told the fact to make understanding clear, many big bikes too have fixed type clip-ons. But adjustable ones should be convinient.

Sorry if I had offended any one.

**antz.bin** · 09-21-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

HH bikes are mostly "comfort fit" for variety of physiques. Since ZMR has clip-ons we need to wait and feel the bike before commenting. Clip-ons look like they are adjustable ones ....not like 'fixed type' that are on P220.

Why do you have to drag a P220 / RTR180 in every discussion about non Bajaj/TVS.. are you intimidated by them.. or just plain scared?

Anyways, back to topic. Much needed upgrade has finally arrived, But it has disappointed me, as a tech buff. I would have loved it too be more like 19.5/20bhp as previously speculated (how hard could it be). The PGM-Fi will make the response crisper, and none seems to notice, the 17.6bhp is @7000rpm, you dont need to keep it in the high rev band to extract the power. I for one, respect all the flagship premium motorcycles of all brands and know for a fact, that all of them, R15, P220, ZMR & even RTR180 cater to different audiences and can never be compared to each other.

Karizma was a vehicle which needed a proper upgrade since a long time ago, when we finally have one, learn to respect. When they put the Oil (is) Cooled under the full fairing, they must have tested the thing a couple of thousand times at least, to check if it is efficient enough to cool the engine under all temperatures/loads/speeds as if HH have one thing going with thm, its the legendary "Reliability".. and they wont want to lose that EDGE to the Bajajs and the TVSs of India. That is the thing that has made the ZMA IMO the most reliable tourer in the country.. and they wont want to lose that badge due to a stupid "Full Fairing with Inefficient Cooling" and "Badly designed clip-on handlebars leading to back pains". Please ride first and then comment about what parts you "Dont Like".

P.S.: I would only want to discuss performance. Least Interested in Looks...

**TNiranjanT** · 09-21-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Andante View Post

Nobody on the forum has test ridden this bike as of yet, except for Bunny. However, he won't say anything, since it's for the magazine he's with. So wait and see.

As for this comment, why drag the P220 into the discussion? You really seem to like making inflammatory comments.

As said, no one here has test driven this bike, except people like Bunny, and I'm pretty sure they won't drop the ball until the october issue is out.

Cool down guys now! All he said was that A is not like (equivalent to) B. He dint say A is better than B or in any way degrade B.

Lets just chillax and wait for the some official statements!

Peace!

**fast_ferocious** · 09-21-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Bunny View Post

Most members here seem to find fault with every new bike / new upgrade , overlooking the good things

Completely agree sir.

Originally posted by Bunny View Post

Having ridden and thrashed the new Karizma, i can safely say it is indeed a step in the right direction.

This indeed is a sigh of relief!

Someone said 85K Ex-Showroom price?

**amvj** · 09-21-2009, 03:28 PM

Copycats

front: stunner's front
Rear: yam gladiator
Tank: blank !

Straight opposite to FZ (no muscle no sticker or no emblems....)

Dashboard: nice

overall: not so impressed externally ! even disappointing specs.

**spiderweb** · 09-21-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Jithu View Post

if i already said that thats because you already posted something here before .
Now dont deny that too.every know that ..

dude i dont want to hurt you or argue with you and make this OT
just told my suggestion .. coool..

Firstly you dint read my reply to ur post properly.

Second thing, I post or not, people still want to fight anyways.

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

@Spiderweb : If your source can't be trusted then your source is as good as mine. You should not have posted anything and trying to create sensationalism.

Maybe or maybe not...

P.S: Sources, urs or mine or anyone else's can never be trusted I think. Coz people just speculate in excitement, even the sourses. My friend came running to me, who actually shot the ZMR commercial, told me its 100% a 350cc, & I posted in excitement, and then you all saw what happened. First you people dragged me into a fight & then yes I was wrong, never denied that. Just was trying to stay away from that & same time maintaining my excitement level by posting nothing speculated. I hope all understand this & I do not need to repeat this again.

NOW AGAIN people are posting n quoting sumthing misleading (maybe) as 85K prise tag, dat we all know is not possible, wot about it?

GUYS PLZ I dont wanna fight, Lets wait for the Official specs...

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

May be true, But I adore your super vision

ROFLMAO... (Bole toh Rolling On Floor Laughing My Arse Out

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Originally posted by Bunny View Post

I am not really surprised seeing such kidding and immaturish replies here about the upgrapde. Most members here seem to find fault with every new bike / new upgrade , overlooking the good things.
Having ridden and thrashed the new Karizma, i can safely say it is indeed a step in the right direction.** How can you guys miss the fairing, rear disc, better suspension, better rear lamp, fully digitial console et al? Just coz its almost got the same power or what? Dont miss out the FI, oil cooler and stuff. And obviously, dont judge the bike without riding it or better still, picking up our October issue

Peace!

Finally, the POST I WAS WAITING FOR...

**Perfectly true, Agreed.

CHEERS...

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

HH bikes are mostly "comfort fit" for variety of physiques. Since ZMR has clip-ons we need to wait and feel the bike before commenting. Clip-ons look like they are adjustable like one on RTR.

HH had almost tested it now for 2-3 months, No doubt it'll be on the lines of its legacy of comfort.

Originally posted by TNiranjanT View Post

Cool down guys now! All he said was that A is not like (equivalent to) B. He dint say A is better than B or in any way degrade B.

Lets just chillax and wait for the some official statements!

Peace!

One more sensible post, But dude we are just making OTs

**2fazt4ya** · 09-21-2009, 04:05 PM

Wait eagerly for the Oct. BIKE India Issue.... Thats the best we can do instead of fighting over brands n all....

This pre launch discussion about the ZMR-Pgm Fi reminds me of the RTR180 launch.... Heck.... There were all sorts of speculations in the air before its launch.... Like Semi fairings,Fuel injection system,Projector headlamps,close to 20 bhp of power and most weirdly ABS

!! But when the 180 finally came out it created an initial disheartening for all the RTR enthusiasts including me for missing out all these features (But almost all including me finally got to like the new 180)....In this case all the blame would b on the speculations that quoted over 20 bhp power for the ZMR n other stuffs....

Atleast HH Reworked on the exterior appearence of the Karizma that remained mostly unchanged for years(Except the famous Sticker Jobs by HH....

) And provided it with new technologies n looks!

Setting apart the performance which is not known to us till now.... Lookwise I prefer the old Zma R.

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