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  • #76
    Ducati 1199 spied. Again.

    Ducati 1199 spied. Again.





    DUCATI'S new 1199/Xtreme has been spotted again, this time resplendent in trad Ducati red paint, albeit with the bodywork somewhat marred by a huge number of stick-on tabs, presumably as part of the firm's aerodynamic testing.

    The rider, complete in Ducati Corse jacket just in case there was any question as to the bike's identity, is either very small or from this angle the 1199 doesn't look quite as diddy as it does in some earlier shots. The angle also reveals more clearly the intriguing semi-external exhaust header running along the side just above the silencer.

    It seems that it has to stick out, as any bodywork covering it tightly enough to not impede ground clearance would be at risk of melting from the pipe's heat. The rear cylinder's header is also clearly visible, curling around under the seat before dropping down into the belly-mounted silencer. That's why the rear shock is offset on the bike's left hand side.

    The shot also gives the first clear-ish view of the bike's tail, definitively ending speculation from some sources that there could be a further exhaust exit under the seat. Instead the upturned rear end appears to be smoothly finished underneath.


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    • #77
      Here's another one...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by AsimB View Post
        Here's another one...
        The rear wheel looks massive in comparison to the rest of bike (or is it just me!! )
        Twist your wrist and feel the shift!!

        My own thoughts - Throttle

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        • #79
          Originally posted by csajal View Post
          The rear wheel looks massive in comparison to the rest of bike (or is it just me!! )
          You're right, a lot of people are thinking it could be a 200 in the rear.

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          • #80
            Another pic...

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            • #81
              Ducati's 2012 superbike: the SuperQuadro or Panigale

              Ducati's 2012 superbike: the SuperQuadro or Panigale






              The real name of Ducati's 2012 superbike will be either 'SuperQuadro' or 'Panigale.' In a carbon copy of the leak of the Diavel's name last year, the contenders for the official title have been revealed thanks to Ducati's efforts to copyright the name and prevent other firms from using it.

              Translating to 'over-square' - a reference to the new bike's engine, which features an unusually large bore and short stroke - the SuperQuadro name could be used purely on the engine, just as the current 1198's motor is referred to as the Testaretta Evoluzione. However, the trademark application is for rights to name an entire bike rather than just an engine.

              Ducati has also applied for a trademark on the name 'Panigale' - a reference to the Borgo Panigale district of Bologna where the firm is based. Ducati already makes accessories carrying the Panigale name, but the latest trademark application includes the rights to use it as the name for an entire bike.

              Of all the names rumoured before, the SuperQuadro title is closest to the 'Superquadrata' badge that appeared with the earliest whispers of the new bike, more than a year ago. Internally, the project is referred to as 'XTreme' but that name was never intended to be carried over to the production bike.


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              • #82
                That's look like some serious trouble to the current litre class leaders..

                @M.Vinay: Friend! Could you give me some insight into this new engine used by Ducati and what kind of performance difference it will give when compared to the new Agusta's short stroke engines??

                I just need to clear some conceptual confusions about both the configurations. Hope you can help....

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by MJ1984 View Post
                  That's look like some serious trouble to the current litre class leaders..

                  @M.Vinay: Friend! Could you give me some insight into this new engine used by Ducati and what kind of performance difference
                  All the information that has been leaked about the bike is posted in this thread, wait for the bike to get launched and we'll know the exact performance difference and about the new engine...

                  And about comparing it with the new Agusta's short stroke engines- im really not that smart to answer that, and i hope our other members will answer that...
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by M.vinay View Post
                    All the information that has been leaked about the bike is posted in this thread, wait for the bike to get launched and we'll know the exact performance difference and about the new engine...

                    And about comparing it with the new Agusta's short stroke engines- im really not that smart to answer that, and i hope our other member will answer that...
                    Well, no worries friend! May be we'll find out in time.

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                    • #85
                      Ducati superbike revealed as ‘1199 Panigale’



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                      Video Link: The new Ducati Superbike 1199 Panigale is coming / La nuova Ducati 1199 Panigale sta arrivando - YouTube


                      The Italian factory confirmed the new bike’s name this morning and also revealed that the bike would NOT debut in the world superbike championship until 2013 but WOULD compete in the 2012 Superstock series.

                      The video reveals little more than some moody shots of Troy Bayliss and snatches of a black bike – either in the distance or intentionally out of focus. Spy pictures revealed weeks ago show far more detail.


                      Here’s the announcement in full:

                      “Ducati officially announces the naming of its new generation 2012 Superbike as the “Ducati 1199 Panigale” and confirms that the unveiling and first public display will be at the EICMA International Motorcycle Show in Milan 10-13 November.

                      “Having attracted massive, world-wide interest during the machine’s many test phases, the exciting new model is also now officially named in an emotional video released on the Italian manufacturer’s website, Ducati.com, and Ducati Motor Holding’s official Youtube channel.

                      "The wait to discover the incredible performance, innovative design and ground-breaking technologies of the new 1199 Panigale will continue for just a few more weeks.

                      “Pronounced “Pan-ee-gah-lee”, the new model breaks with Ducati’s Superbike tradition by adding a name to its 1199cc engine capacity (referred to as eleven-nine-nine), making a significant and warm association to its historic roots in the Borgo Panigale area of Bologna.

                      “Developed as a true sport bike with competition in its DNA, the Ducati 1199 Panigale will first see racing action in the 2012 FIM Superstock Championship and, in accordance with the factory’s development program, make its debut in World Superbike in 2013.

                      Ironically, the teaser for the Panigale – the first production bike to use Ducati's monocoque frame design derived from the Desmosedici racer – has been revealed on the same day that Rossi is expected to test a conventional alloy beam framed version of the GP bike in an effort to solve the handling woes that have marred his season so far. Of course road riders will never push the Panigale hard enough to discover whether it's inherited the lack of front end feel that Rossi and other GP riders have criticised in the Desmosedici race bike, but it's sure to be a worry for WSB teams considering the new Ducati. It's also certain to be a concern for Ducati's marketing department, which was hoping to have at least a handful of Rossi/Ducati wins under its belt in preparation for the Panigale's launch...


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                      • #86
                        It's getting harder day by day to wait for the most anticipated one (for me)....

                        It's design shows a massive change from the current Ducati trend and what many of us has discussed in the thread so far. The only question that still arises that whether it will resolve the front end issue for Rossi or not...

                        I'm eagerly waiting for 13 November....sigh!!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by MJ1984 View Post
                          It's getting harder day by day to wait for the most anticipated one (for me)....

                          It's design shows a massive change from the current Ducati trend and what many of us has discussed in the thread so far. The only question that still arises that whether it will resolve the front end issue for Rossi or not...

                          I'm eagerly waiting for 13 November....sigh!!
                          Yup its a huge step away from the Ducati trend, but Rossi wont be using this bike since its meant only for WSBK, so im sure he wont be worrying about the front end issues (if any) on the 1199

                          Hopefully the GP12 helps him win.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by AsimB View Post
                            Yup its a huge step away from the Ducati trend, but Rossi wont be using this bike since its meant only for WSBK, so im sure he wont be worrying about the front end issues (if any) on the 1199

                            Hopefully the GP12 helps him win.
                            I think you might be aware of the changes from the 2012 Moto GP. The engines will be replaced by 1000 CCs.

                            So, don't know whether the WSBK will remain in action any further or not

                            However, I do hope about the Rossi's win in 2012

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                            • #89
                              As far as I've read,

                              1. The crankshaft main journals are now mounted on large dia plain bearings rather than the conventional angular contact, which gave high frequency pulsations to the crank casting and assembly.

                              2. Also, ducati's newly evolved tech ensures minimal pulsations due to their new 'Alcoa Vacural method'. Further supported by Marzocchi or Ohlins Susp Sys.

                              3. The engine is mounted another 10 deg towards the rear to improve stability and mass distribution. (V type mount, not L type)

                              4. The Testastretta Design of the combustion chambers has also been developed further and modified to meet the requirements of the newly born engine, highly oversquared with a bore/stroke ratio of 1.84 (1198 has a bore/stroke of 1.561), which should bring up the power/torque band close to 12-13 k rpm.

                              QUERY :

                              If the bike is gonna be frameless, I wonder if it might create some issues similar to other bikes of similar type, like the BMW boxers.

                              I think the bike might be a bit of a struggle in order to be repaired, bcoz the moment you loosen few screws for the repairing thing to be done, the bike's gonna fall apart, coz its all mounted on the engine, and that could be a bit problematic for the mechanic, whether it be yourself or the guy at the service cent. Also, it might be quite a critical task to set the engine alignment and balance right, with the body, after the job is done, which could further create problems.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by wiseman_10 View Post
                                As far as I've read,

                                1. The crankshaft main journals are now mounted on large dia plain bearings rather than the conventional angular contact, which gave high frequency pulsations to the crank casting and assembly.

                                2. Also, ducati's newly evolved tech ensures minimal pulsations due to their new 'Alcoa Vacural method'. Further supported by Marzocchi or Ohlins Susp Sys.

                                3. The engine is mounted another 10 deg towards the rear to improve stability and mass distribution. (V type mount, not L type)

                                4. The Testastretta Design of the combustion chambers has also been developed further and modified to meet the requirements of the newly born engine, highly oversquared with a bore/stroke ratio of 1.84 (1198 has a bore/stroke of 1.561), which should bring up the power/torque band close to 12-13 k rpm.

                                QUERY :

                                If the bike is gonna be frameless, I wonder if it might create some issues similar to other bikes of similar type, like the BMW boxers.

                                I think the bike might be a bit of a struggle in order to be repaired, bcoz the moment you loosen few screws for the repairing thing to be done, the bike's gonna fall apart, coz its all mounted on the engine, and that could be a bit problematic for the mechanic, whether it be yourself or the guy at the service cent. Also, it might be quite a critical task to set the engine alignment and balance right, with the body, after the job is done, which could further create problems.
                                Could you please explaine high frequency pulsations

                                Well, from the released pictures; doesn't seems like engine is bend towards rear. It seems to me rather centre forward. Are you saying it in comparison to previous Ducati models (1098, 1198)? Moreover, if it is rear inclined then won't you think that it will hamper handling of the bike at high speed cornering??

                                I didn't think about the repair issue at all; to be true. However, if Ducati is putting up a new concept, they must have thought and researched about it's aftereffect and resolution (in case of any issue). However, it seems to me a high level technical know-how and work of experts only...

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