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  • #91
    Originally posted by MJ1984 View Post
    Could you please explaine high frequency pulsations

    Well, from the released pictures; doesn't seems like engine is bend towards rear. It seems to me rather centre forward. Are you saying it in comparison to previous Ducati models (1098, 1198)? Moreover, if it is rear inclined then won't you think that it will hamper handling of the bike at high speed cornering??

    I didn't think about the repair issue at all; to be true. However, if Ducati is putting up a new concept, they must have thought and researched about it's aftereffect and resolution (in case of any issue). However, it seems to me a high level technical know-how and work of experts only...
    Last Question First :

    Repairing the bike is not an issue, but the engine as a part of the frame holding system doesn't seem right to me. Although ducati is using it as a Moto GP tech, I don't know if it is really helping them out.
    Also, I've come across articles where people complain about the problems they had to face due to their semi 'bike-on-engine' type rides, usually in their VFR 800s, and even Honda 929s,...this happens because being an enthusiast we all want to fiddle a bit with our bikes, and once you get to know how to do some mechanic type stuff, you will definitely try it on your own. And when you see that your bike isn't very much the same as a normal 'engine-on-bike' type bike, then you ought to get a bit disappointed, which was the problem faced by the owners, among other problems.

    High Frequency Vibrations

    I'll explain in a nutshell...
    An angular contact bearing firstly has asymmetrical races, secondly, the load distribution in an angular bearing is asymmetrical, as the axial load acts straight along the axis and the radial load acts obliquely, which creates an imbalance of forces when the resultant of the two is taken.
    Thirdly, at high speed, the centrifugal force generated by the balls changes the contact angle between the inner race and the outer race of the journal sys, this usually promotes to high frequency pulsations, which are although not observed while riding the bike, but can be observed through certain equipments.Hence, it might prove detrimental for the performance if we are talking at MotoGP or SBK levels, due to which the improvement has been done, as explained by me in the previous post.

    Engine bend towards the rear

    The engine is actually a V-90 but the inclination is slightly towards the rear (about 10 degrees), this was concluded by analysing the emergence of the exhaust pipe from the rear cylinder, the pipe has a different position than the other models. But since the official specs are not out, it is just a simple conclusion based on observation.

    I don't think the inclination would hamper the handling because the 10 deg angle should provide counter-balance, as the bike now has a highly oversquare engine, and will also rev up to higher rpms, thus losing engine balance. Hence, inclining the engine might help with balancing in this case.

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    • #92
      I've also heard, that Ducati is testing a 1199 panigale 'homologation special model' which would give an output power of 205 bhp at the crank...

      could somebody please confirm the fidelity of this statement, as I am myself a bit unsure about this...fact or myth???

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      • #93
        Ducati 1199 Panigale superbike caught testing!

        Ducati 1199 Panigale superbike caught testing!





        Ducati released the first teaser video of their latest superbike a few days back. The 1199 Panigale was being tested at the Mugello race track in Italy. Riding the new bike was Ducati factory superbike rider Troy Bayliss. The video did not reveal the bike much as most of its design details were kept out of focus by the film makers. Just a couple of days later, the first spy images of the latest superbike from Ducati have already surfaced.




        The Ducati 1199 Panigale can be seen on what looks like a stretch of highway just past a toll booth. The design has been tweaked a bit and the proportions of the new bike seem quite compact or could it be for the fat bloke on saddle? Ducati seems to be testing the bike for its payload capacity over an Italian highway. Coming to the bike itself, the wheels are now three-spoke which split into nine. The major feature that most Ducati owners would miss is the under-seat twin exhausts which formed an intrinsic part of past Ducati superbikes.




        The exhausts on the new 1199 Panigale are placed underneath the bike, inside the wheelbase. The twin-front lights have been sculpted and so is the fairing around them which houses air-intakes. The rake angle on the front forks also seems to have been tweaked on the new superbike.








        Source: Ducati.ms
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        • #94
          Originally posted by wiseman_10 View Post
          Last Question First :

          Repairing the bike is not an issue, but the engine as a part of the frame holding system doesn't seem right to me. Although ducati is using it as a Moto GP tech, I don't know if it is really helping them out.
          Also, I've come across articles where people complain about the problems they had to face due to their semi 'bike-on-engine' type rides, usually in their VFR 800s, and even Honda 929s,...this happens because being an enthusiast we all want to fiddle a bit with our bikes, and once you get to know how to do some mechanic type stuff, you will definitely try it on your own. And when you see that your bike isn't very much the same as a normal 'engine-on-bike' type bike, then you ought to get a bit disappointed, which was the problem faced by the owners, among other problems.

          High Frequency Vibrations

          I'll explain in a nutshell...
          An angular contact bearing firstly has asymmetrical races, secondly, the load distribution in an angular bearing is asymmetrical, as the axial load acts straight along the axis and the radial load acts obliquely, which creates an imbalance of forces when the resultant of the two is taken.
          Thirdly, at high speed, the centrifugal force generated by the balls changes the contact angle between the inner race and the outer race of the journal sys, this usually promotes to high frequency pulsations, which are although not observed while riding the bike, but can be observed through certain equipments.Hence, it might prove detrimental for the performance if we are talking at MotoGP or SBK levels, due to which the improvement has been done, as explained by me in the previous post.

          Engine bend towards the rear

          The engine is actually a V-90 but the inclination is slightly towards the rear (about 10 degrees), this was concluded by analysing the emergence of the exhaust pipe from the rear cylinder, the pipe has a different position than the other models. But since the official specs are not out, it is just a simple conclusion based on observation.

          I don't think the inclination would hamper the handling because the 10 deg angle should provide counter-balance, as the bike now has a highly oversquare engine, and will also rev up to higher rpms, thus losing engine balance. Hence, inclining the engine might help with balancing in this case.
          Thanks for the technical explanations dude! Though I had to try hard to get through to the explanation for High frequency vibration part

          Thanks buddy!

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          • #95
            some more pics just before EICMA

            Here's the 1199 - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
            drive safely... if not for you then for the sake of others!!

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            • #96
              spy shots

              Has anyone seen these yet?

              Ducati 1199 Panigale revealed - Motorcycle news: New bikes - Visordown



              http://www.1199panigale.ducati.com/en/#
              Last edited by R-series; 11-08-2011, 08:37 AM. Reason: Please excuse the title..after positing didn't know how to edit the title.
              Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean its impossible...expect the unexpected.

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              • #97
                Yep saw that yesterday.
                Just when you think they couldnt top the 1198, this comes along.
                Cant beat the Italians when it comes to design can you.
                Looks like a million bucks. Props to Ducati
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                • #98
                  Pictures don't do the bike justice. I so want to upgrade :P

                  Ducati Superbike 1199 Panigale - Checkmate. - YouTube

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                  • #99
                    i somehow didn't like the looks of the bike

                    looks like a cross between the 1198 and fireblade.
                    Biking is a religion, not a hobby!!

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                    • Originally posted by AsimB View Post
                      Pictures don't do the bike justice. I so want to upgrade :P

                      Ducati Superbike 1199 Panigale - Checkmate. - YouTube
                      Now that's just wrong dude
                      As if we all were not already jealous of you.
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                      • Wow!! It has now replaced Desmo RR from my dream Ducati's position..........

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                        • a race spec picture

                          drive safely... if not for you then for the sake of others!!

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                          • will reserve my comments untill i see it in flesh, but it looks like an engineering master piece.
                            is it just me , or are those mirrors butt ugly?
                            gorgeous speedo man..... it just looks so cool.
                            so, considering the usual ducati tradition..... whats next..... 1199 panigale streetfighter
                            849 panigale??
                            cant wait to test ride this new machine
                            drive safely... if not for you then for the sake of others!!

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                            • Yeah the mirrors suck. thats why i like the video better, no unnecessary equipment on the bike.

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                              • CHECK FREAKING MATE
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