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**swingarm** · 04-12-2009, 02:51 PM

It will be great if we can have a final verdict for RD350s, RX100s, RX135s, Shoguns and Shaolins.

So far as the thread went it is something like this:

For stock ones - Yamalube/Shell2T (Green)/Mak 2T
For dragstars - Motul 800 2T

Premixing oil is being considered as one's own choice. A bit of premixing does not harm. It is true that the mechanical oil pump can fail anytime.

On another note I was wondering if we get Mobil in India? Do they make 2 stroke oils?

**Raccoon** · 04-12-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by swingarm View Post

Premixing oil is being considered as one's own choice. A bit of premixing does not harm. It is true that the mechanical oil pump can fail anytime.

On another note I was wondering if we get Mobil in India? Do they make 2 stroke oils?

In the begining I was using Mitsubushi (Tide Water Oil Co.) which was the best I'v used. It was difficult to find anyway... and was later discontinued. After this I used Mobil 2t. This too proved proved to be very difficult to get anywhere... so getting fed up of all the hunting evertime I need a bottle of oil, I just started using Castrol Jet X; even though I'm no fan of Castrol. There weren't much choises anyway. Also, JetX was and is the easiest to get anywhere.

So yes, at least Mobil did have 2t oils... but if they still have it in their portfolio, I dont know... I dont think so.

Btw, how many oil pumps have you seen failing? I think they are fairly reliable. I know couple of friends with approx decade old vehicles like Shoguns, RXs and even Kinetic Hondas whose oil pumps are still going great. Heck they they don't even know there is a pump inside, Lol!

Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post

I bought the Petronas oil yesterday. I'm just waiting for the Yamalube to be consumed now.

Its for Rs. 325 a liter for '07 stock. The new stock will be Rs. 457.

This is a fully synth oil right? Its still much cheaper than Motul.

Do let us have your review after you use it.

**NitinGirish** · 04-12-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

Btw, how many oil pumps have you seen failing? I think they are fairly reliable. I know couple of friends with approx decade old vehicles like Shoguns, RXs and even Kinetic Hondas whose oil pumps are still going great. Heck they they don't even know there is a pump inside, Lol!

I have a 23 year old RX100 and the oil pump is still intact. Most of them prefer mixing the oil while fuelling. Wonder why

If there is a fault in the pump/autolube system cant it be repaired?

**Raccoon** · 04-12-2009, 06:22 PM

^^^I guess it can be repaired... but others more knowledgeable about it here can hopefully make more useful comments. If not repair, then you could just replace it... for peace of mind. And it would be worth it.

So your pump has run trouble free for 23 years? You have never needed to repair/replace it? How many km has your bike run with that pump? Any idea what make it is? The pump in my Shogun is a Pricol... if I remember correct.

**Bladerunner** · 04-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

This is a fully synth oil right? Its still much cheaper than Motul.

Do let us have your review after you use it.

Yes. I don't see how Motul's oil can be 'that' much better to justify its price. I'm waiting to use it so I can let you'll know.

Sometime back I had used ESSO 2T oil which was manufactured by Exxon Mobil. It was pretty good. Seemed to be semi synthetic as it was the 2nd best in their line up. The shop where I used to buy it from had only got a few cartons of it and never got more after they got sold out. It was for Rs.180 per liter.

**swingarm** · 04-12-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

Btw, how many oil pumps have you seen failing? I think they are fairly reliable. I know couple of friends with approx decade old vehicles like Shoguns, RXs and even Kinetic Hondas whose oil pumps are still going great. Heck they they don't even know there is a pump inside, Lol!

Even if the oil pump does not fail, your oil indicator red lamp on the Shogun can fail. It works on a level switch that is fitted inside the 2T chamber. So even if your ignition key "check" position will show a red light, when you run out of 2T - the red lamp will not glow. You will only notice it, if you regularly check your 2T level OR if you sense that your 2T should end by now, why it has not. It happened to me once and I ran dry for 80 Kms almost, sometimes throttling hard thus screwing my piston big time. Beside that, the throttle cable that connects to the oil pump can malfunction too. Your accelerator cable is a Y cable, one controlling the 2T. Multiple dependencies, so more chance of failure. Since it has happened to me, I prefer to premix even if the oil pump is running.

As I said earlier " Premixing oil is being considered as one's own choice. ".
If you are confident about your pump do not premix. End of story. I really do not care if 1000 other people have their oil pumps running good and not premixing. I do what I feel is suitable for me.

**Raccoon** · 04-13-2009, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Bladerunner View Post

Yes. I don't see how Motul's oil can be 'that' much better to justify its price. I'm waiting to use it so I can let you'll know.

Sometime back I had used ESSO 2T oil which was manufactured by Exxon Mobil. It was pretty good. Seemed to be semi synthetic as it was the 2nd best in their line up. The shop where I used to buy it from had only got a few cartons of it and never got more after they got sold out. It was for Rs.180 per liter.

So the price you have quoted is per litre, right? Not per half litre... as most 2t oils are sold in half litre bottles.

Originally posted by swingarm View Post

Even if the oil pump does not fail, your oil indicator red lamp on the Shogun can fail. It works on a level switch that is fitted inside the 2T chamber. So even if your ignition key "check" position will show a red light, when you run out of 2T - the red lamp will not glow. You will only notice it, if you regularly check your 2T level OR if you sense that your 2T should end by now, why it has not. It happened to me once and I ran dry for 80 Kms almost, sometimes throttling hard thus screwing my piston big time. Beside that, the throttle cable that connects to the oil pump can malfunction too. Your accelerator cable is a Y cable, one controlling the 2T. Multiple dependencies, so more chance of failure. Since it has happened to me, I prefer to premix even if the oil pump is running.

As I said earlier " Premixing oil is being considered as one's own choice. ".
If you are confident about your pump do not premix. End of story. I really do not care if 1000 other people have their oil pumps running good and not premixing. I do what I feel is suitable for me.

Hmmm... yes, there are few places outside the pump that can fail. As for the oil indicator lamp, I'v never relied on it, though it has always worked fine. I always get a v good idea about how much 2t and even petrol is there in my tanks. Never been with a dry tank of either!

As for the throttle cable - the pump is regulated by two things - engine RPM and throttle twisting. So even if the throttle cable fails, it wont mean that the pump cuts off supply completely. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you think it might be a good idea to change the throttle cable as a preventive step? Mine has never been changed.

**swingarm** · 04-13-2009, 01:55 AM

I replace my throttle cable and 2T oil pump nipple every 10000 kms.

**Bladerunner** · 04-13-2009, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

So the price you have quoted is per litre, right? Not per half litre... as most 2t oils are sold in half litre bottles.

I have never seen any of the imported brands in 500 ml. Only the ones that are local or Castrol has 500 ml. I always buy 1L bottles unless I don't have the choice.

**Raccoon** · 04-13-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by swingarm View Post

I replace my throttle cable and 2T oil pump nipple every 10000 kms.

Gawd... and I'm still on the original cable that came with the bike! In fact none of the cables have ever been changed... except the speedo cable. That was changed just last year by the TVS ASC. They said it was totally rusty inside.

Whats this oil pump nipple?

Can somebody please tell me if the oil pump will continue running (with reduced output of course) even if the accelerator cable breaks?

**Bladerunner** · 04-14-2009, 10:34 PM

I have given the bike for an engine rebuild. Will only be using the oil after run in as advised by the mech.

**Bladerunner** · 04-17-2009, 12:30 AM

How much is the RX oil pump for these days? I just bought one for 600 yesterday.

**vasanth kumar** · 04-17-2009, 12:39 AM

i think it costs around 1600 rs

**swingarm** · 04-17-2009, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

Gawd... and I'm still on the original cable that came with the bike! In fact none of the cables have ever been changed... except the speedo cable. That was changed just last year by the TVS ASC. They said it was totally rusty inside.

Whats this oil pump nipple?

Can somebody please tell me if the oil pump will continue running (with reduced output of course) even if the accelerator cable breaks?

All I can say is, your accelerator cable should be in good condition and it should be smooth.

The oil pump nipple is what the cable gets locked into. Since it always under constant pressure (due to the pull), it needs replacement, as the lock gap increases over the time and the cable head tends to play when it should not.

**Raccoon** · 04-17-2009, 01:35 AM

^^^My accelerator cable is smooth. But heeding your advice, mebbe I should get it changed soon.

About the nipple... I'll check it out when I open the cover next. Didn't know there was something there that needs replacement. Hope its available with TVS. Any idea of the cost?

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