Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[Yogesh__Sj]

Re: Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

Hi Friend...
Dont follow with the above things regarding Windings and weight of the 19SWG....
Normally Glamour Electric Start 12 pole coil will be having 60 to 65 turns each pole, No need to change the Gauge. Because the Flux of the Magnet is low as compared to other vehicles. The stock setup was a Halfwave rectifier. If you change it to fullwave, its enough for all Loads. Normally Glamour start without the Battery, after modification the Bike won't startup without the Battery. But it will give enough volt & supply Max of 5 to 6 Amps if its properly connected..

Just a simple calculation
Headlight - 35W
Tail Lamp - 5W
parking lamp - 1, Speedometer Lights - 3Nos, Totally 4Nos of 3w Bulb,
Charging For Battery At 1 Amps = 10 to 12 Watts

Overall load on the coil = 35+5+12+(Charging 10W) = 62Watts
Amp = 62/12 = 5.16 Amps

This is more than enough to Light up a HID Kit and even for Charging a battery (Need to change all other Lights to LED)

If you want more current than this go for 19 SWG, But you wont get More than 7 Amps, Its also related to the Magnetic Flux in the Magnet

Don't wind the coil with different turns in each pole. SWG related to Current, Only turns determine the volts. Proper winding will give a good result.

If you need more help mail me at [email protected]

Thanks
Amjeth





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Mr Yogesh
No Need to go for Ape RR
You can buy a Pulsar UG4 RR the Part number is DJ201202... (Cost's Rs - Around 450/-)
If you want Ape RR then ask for OLD APE RR(4 wire) (Cost Rs 1100/-)

Decide...

Thanks

Thanks bro Amjeth , but i want to upgrade to 55w HID kit and it will take 4 - 4.5ah current and i already have dual tone horns in my bike from last 3 years and i have 7 ah ups battery from last 3 years , so for that i need to rewinding my stator coils and need Ape rr to get more current and more voltage .
here i checked everywhere , no one is selling old Ape rr unit even not the big dealers of Piaggio parts and not even service station . and i really need it very badly . but here no one is helping me in getting that ape rr unit

[amjeth]

Re: Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

Hi Friend...
Dont follow with the above things regarding Windings and weight of the 19SWG....
Normally Glamour Electric Start 12 pole coil will be having 60 to 65 turns each pole, No need to change the Gauge. Because the Flux of the Magnet is low as compared to other vehicles. The stock setup was a Halfwave rectifier. If you change it to fullwave, its enough for all Loads. Normally Glamour start without the Battery, after modification the Bike won't startup without the Battery. But it will give enough volt & supply Max of 5 to 6 Amps if its properly connected..

Just a simple calculation
Headlight - 35W
Tail Lamp - 5W
parking lamp - 1, Speedometer Lights - 3Nos, Totally 4Nos of 3w Bulb,
Charging For Battery At 1 Amps = 10 to 12 Watts

Overall load on the coil = 35+5+12+(Charging 10W) = 62Watts
Amp = 62/12 = 5.16 Amps

This is more than enough to Light up a HID Kit and even for Charging a battery (Need to change all other Lights to LED)

If you want more current than this go for 19 SWG, But you wont get More than 7 Amps, Its also related to the Magnetic Flux in the Magnet

Don't wind the coil with different turns in each pole. SWG related to Current, Only turns determine the volts. Proper winding will give a good result.

If you need more help mail me at [email protected]

Thanks
Amjeth

Here's the full report:
1. Ungrounded as required.
2. Made connections as required.
3. Stock winding(21g) giving 9.5 to 10 V only.
4. Rewinded (19g) gave 6.5 to 7 V only.
5. Again rewinded with 21g giving more turns.......now giving 13.5V
6. Everything else was performed as required.

Now issues are:
Discharge rate is faster than charging rate.
How to rectify it?????????????????

The CDI is running from battery(12V 4Ah). therefore, whenever the battery is near to getting empty, the bike does not run as it normally does.....it kind of runs when fuel is empty.....stops ..goes...stops...goes....!!!!!

Now I having to recharge the battery at a garage.....after little long trips.....load is somewhat 120-130W.....

Please help.....how to increase charging rate??????????

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is there anyone who can tell me that where i can get this Ape RR unit in Delhi ? i have not got it till yet anywhere . i really need it soon friends

Mr Yogesh
No Need to go for Ape RR
You can buy a Pulsar UG4 RR the Part number is DJ201202... (Cost's Rs - Around 450/-)
If you want Ape RR then ask for OLD APE RR(4 wire) (Cost Rs 1100/-)

Decide...

Thanks

[nirmal_w]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

has anyone done coil rewinding and dc conversion on their dazzler ?
I found out in this thread that dazzler has 12-pole coil.
Is the procedure any different from that for other bikes ?

[Yogesh__Sj]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

is there anyone who can tell me that where i can get this Ape RR unit in Delhi ? i have not got it till yet anywhere . i really need it soon friends

[Cleaner]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

I'm not sure how much it is going help. Check this post : Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC. - Page 117

This xBHPian's (. @Srinivas sr143sr) persistence paid off & he got 6 wired Ape RR eventually. On the bill it has same Part# : ED22158 . This means

either (very unlikely)
1. Billing software is not updated with new Part# details => leads to inconsistent parts distribution reports

or (very likely)
2. Part# has remained same, 2 extra wires are added in new version. Someone (. @gmagesh14) remarked they're(2 extra wires) for Ammeter.


Edit: @Cleaner got the Part# for the new APE-RR : ED33204
Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc - Page 499

The billing software could be at fault, parts management in Piaggio is a mess, trust me. Check the packaging to see which part number is written there.

[SparKot]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

... i know the part no. of old rr with 4 wires that is ED22158 , but i want to know the part no. of new model rr with 6 wires . plz frnds help me .

I'm not sure how much it is going help. Check this post : Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC. - Page 117

This xBHPian's (. @Srinivas sr143sr) persistence paid off & he got 6 wired Ape RR eventually. On the bill it has same Part# : ED22158 . This means

either (very unlikely)
1. Billing software is not updated with new Part# details => leads to inconsistent parts distribution reports

or (very likely)
2. Part# has remained same, 2 extra wires are added in new version. Someone (. @gmagesh14) remarked they're(2 extra wires) for Ammeter.


Edit: [MENTION=61791]Cleaner[/MENTION] got the Part# for the new APE-RR : ED33204
Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc - Page 499

[Yogesh__Sj]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

New APE RR has 6 wires. Ignore the extra 2 wires(that have a small connector).

thanks bro , can you tell me the part no. of this new rr unit with 6 wires ? i didn`t get it anywhere , and dealer is asking for part no. so they can try to find it . i know the part no. of old rr with 4 wires that is ED22158 , but i want to know the part no. of new model rr with 6 wires .

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Is there anyone who can help me in finding a place to buy APE rr unit ? i didn`t get it anywhere , and dealer is asking for part no. so they can try to find it , so can you tell me the part no. of this new rr unit with 6 wires ? i know the part no. of old rr with 4 wires that is ED22158 , but i want to know the part no. of new model rr with 6 wires . plz frnds help me .

[kusmaker]

Re: Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

can any delhi member knows best electrician in delhi for coil rewinding, who is competent, genuine, and knows what he is doing.

[sri__t]

Re: Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

Can you anyone please let me know where in Chennai we can get APE OEM RR. When I contacted the APE Service Centers, they said they don't sell spares over the counter.

Thanks,
Sridhar T

[mbsam2003]

Re: Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

Hi guys,
I bought P8 bixenon 4300 K HID kit, costed 8.5 k. Do I need to bypass the BCU to connect that. Mine is full DC pulsar. Hid kit came with relay harness. So can I connect it directly, writing for expert's comments
Cheers

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[rprathin]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

Thanks bro , i called them they also didn`t have the old Ape rr unit with 4 wires , now it makes me mad , is there any other option other than this old ape rr unit ? what about new ape rr which have 6 or 7 wires ? plz help me guys in this . i need it really as soon as possible .

the new will work just leave the other two extra wires i am also using the new ape rr which has 6 wires.

[sandeepcf]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

Thanks bro , i called them they also didn`t have the old Ape rr unit with 4 wires , now it makes me mad , is there any other option other than this old ape rr unit ? what about new ape rr which have 6 or 7 wires ? plz help me guys in this . i need it really as soon as possible .

New APE RR has 6 wires. Ignore the extra 2 wires(that have a small connector).

[Yogesh__Sj]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

there is one in Noida as per there site-


DYNAMIC AUTOMOBILES
A 1, 70 ADARSH NAGAR, NH-24, KHODA COLONY,
OPP.INRAPURAM,
NOIDA - 201301.
UTTAR PRADESH.
TEL: 1206547740, 1202543281,9811089505.
EMAIL: [email protected]

Thanks bro , i called them they also didn`t have the old Ape rr unit with 4 wires , now it makes me mad , is there any other option other than this old ape rr unit ? what about new ape rr which have 6 or 7 wires ? plz help me guys in this . i need it really as soon as possible .

[rprathin]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

Thanks bro there not even a single service center in Delhi of Piaggio , there is one service station near about 90-100km away in Rohtak (Haryana) , today i called them and they said that they don`t hv this old Ape rr unit.
soon i will go to Karol bagh dealer and ask him to arrange one , is there any way to buy this rr without taxes (less than MRP) ? i hv inquired about it they said that its 1250(MRP) + tax total near about 1350-1400.
do you alreadhy have this rr in stock ? how much it cost with shipping charges in Delhi ? how many days it will take if i will buy it from you ?
i have message you on that facebook id also . you can answer me facebook also if you want . thanks again .

there is one in Noida as per there site-


DYNAMIC AUTOMOBILES
A 1, 70 ADARSH NAGAR, NH-24, KHODA COLONY,
OPP.INRAPURAM,
NOIDA - 201301.
UTTAR PRADESH.
TEL: 1206547740, 1202543281,9811089505.
EMAIL: [email protected]

[Devraj]

Re: Pulsar 150 UG3 converted to full DC finally.

Thanks bro there not even a single service center in Delhi of Piaggio , there is one service station near about 90-100km away in Rohtak (Haryana) , today i called them and they said that they don`t hv this old Ape rr unit.
soon i will go to Karol bagh dealer and ask him to arrange one , is there any way to buy this rr without taxes (less than MRP) ? i hv inquired about it they said that its 1250(MRP) + tax total near about 1350-1400.
do you alreadhy have this rr in stock ? how much it cost with shipping charges in Delhi ? how many days it will take if i will buy it from you ?
i have message you on that facebook id also . you can answer me facebook also if you want . thanks again .

Here in kolkata it will be 1400approx only , so it will be better if you could buy that from karolbagh .
& if your coil is not rewinded yet , then we can get is rewind it with 18gauge wire , machine winding .

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Rewinded the 1985 Royal enfield bullet's coil in single phase manner with 18gauge , calculated output is 223W , upon installation on bike it generates 203W max at 5300rpm . take a look guys , I hope this information might help you