Engine Oils

[psr]

You mean Motul 300v 10w-40 with Jaso-MA2 label is already selling... they dont even list it on their website but just as JASO MA
Welcome to Motul

Can you upload a pic or link so I can talk to distributors here.....

Sorry if you wrote about other ranges in 300v

Most oil manufacturer of repute have JASO MA2 spec for their motorcycle oils..including the Valvoline and Motul ones...Just google and you will get it.

[WarpSpeed]

Most oil manufacturer of repute have JASO MA2 spec for their motorcycle oils..including the Valvoline and Motul ones...Just google and you will get it.

JASO effectively added the JASO-MA2 & JASO-MA1 specifications by splitting the existing JASO-MA spec into two groups by friction-performance (MA1 is the lower friction oils; MA2 the higher friction oils suitable for bikes).
Motul 300V as far as i know doesnt have JASO-MA2 "yet"on their labeling...I use the Castrol Power racing 1 (labelled MA2 and needed as per service manual) and moved to Motul 300v but labelling of MA2 isnt there; even though when it would; it will say MA2 as thats what it is....The link from motul itself classify it as JASO-MA not MA2 yet
Note that JASO-MA2 can now be API SJ formulated if you want to go that way... But the reason of asking me the question was If you have seen 300v with MA2 label as that will help me really...
None of the shops in US or Au have Motul 300v with MA2 labeled yet... If you have it there... its awesome but I highly doubt it...But do let me know so I can ask them to get it...

[Pinaki]

Ok , I found another API-SG rated motorcycle oil .. Anyone knows the prices of these ?
Castrol India - Castrol Two Wheeler Oil

Wont there be any clutch slippage ?
I am asking because I have a Litre of Castrol GTD 15w40 in the car's boot and wondering if can be used it in the bike

Unlikely , diesel rated oils do not contain friction reducer additives like molybdenum compounds . One thing for sure , if your engine is quite old and you run for say 1000 kms on it , it'll flush out pretty much all the dirt in it .

..Motul 300V as far as i know doesnt have JASO-MA2 "yet"on their labeling...I use the Castrol Power racing 1 (labelled MA2 and needed as per service manual) and moved to Motul 300v but labelling of MA2 isnt there ...

Motul 300v & Castrol p1r4T contains a sign like this on the package or just it's said to be jaso compliant on the label ? Unless this label is present with the Jaso approval certificate number etc , it's just the manufacturers claim that it conforms .. not certified , beware .

[psr]

To clear the cloud over the JASO certification and what it means...just read the contents of the link...Motul 300V is JASO T 904 certified.

Do I need to use JASO certified "motorcycle" engine oil in my bike? - Dirt Rider . Net, Dirt Bikes - Motocross - Off-Road - Supercross

[Honda_CBF]

Ok , I found another API-SG rated motorcycle oil .. Anyone knows the prices of these ?
Castrol India - Castrol Two Wheeler Oil

HP Racer (also in API-SG) is also there. price was around Rs.150 two months earlier at HP outlet.

Unlikely , diesel rated oils do not contain friction reducer additives like molybdenum compounds . One thing for sure , if your engine is quite old and you run for say 1000 kms on it , it'll flush out pretty much all the dirt in it .

Now I'm thinking of using/testing one

Motul 300v & Castrol p1r4T contains a sign like this on the package or just it's said to be jaso compliant on the label ? Unless this label is present with the Jaso approval certificate number etc , it's just the manufacturers claim that it conforms .. not certified , beware .

Same is also applicable to API ratings

this oil is not certified but claimed (by manufacturer) unless it carries similar "stamped" kinda logo by API certifying authority
EDIT:
here's what a API certification looks like http://www.carbibles.com/images/apisymbol.gif
btw, dont think that Valvoline champion 4t oil is a bad oil (actually its one of the best oil I have used) just because it doesnt carry a certification symbol, that image is been used just as an example
sorry.. that gif link isnt working.. so here's the whole article http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

[bimalvak]

Engine Oil

I have Pulsar 220F, i purchase in nov-2011, after first service i m facting problem of engine, its vibrate so much and i feel its not giving good result, i m very uncomfortable with it, i now i m thinking to change Engine Oil? so please help me to choose good oil, coz bajaj recommanded DTS-I 10000 oil but i think its not available in market please help me

[psr]

Same is also applicable to API ratings
this oil is not certified but claimed (by manufacturer) unless it carries similar "stamped" kinda logo by API certifying authority

Yes I am aware of this difference in confirming to and certified..Ever since the oils have been divided into API and JASO certification,many manufacturers are keen to get certification only towards their targeted end user and mention "confirming" to the other standard as a piece of information.I think in future there is going to be one oil fills all needs become a reality.

[punarvasu]

Ok , I found another API-SG rated motorcycle oil .. Anyone knows the prices of these ?
Castrol India - Castrol Two Wheeler Oil

Yes. Castrol 4T 20W-40 was for Rs. 189/- two years ago. I am using their 15W-40 Power1 SS for a very long time in my GS 150R and Fiero and its price when I bought last on 7/2/2012 was Rs. 319/- for 1 litre.
Don’t know anything about their FS and other oils.

[Honda_CBF]

Yes I am aware of this difference in confirming to and certified..Ever since the oils have been divided into API and JASO certification,many manufacturers are keen to get certification only towards their targeted end user and mention "confirming" to the other standard as a piece of information.I think in future there is going to be one oil fills all needs become a reality.

yes sir I know that you (one of the most respected, experienced & knowledgable person in Xbhp) are aware of such certifications & all gimmiks. My post was in addition to pinaki's post and for all other who take API ratings into consideration while choosing oil (which is not so needed for bikes)
I used your posted image just because it was easily available.
Btw, i liked your "future" thinking!!

[psr]

yes sir I know that you (one of the most respected, experienced & knowledgable person in Xbhp) are aware of such certifications & all gimmiks. My post was in addition to pinaki's post and for all other who take API ratings into consideration while choosing oil (which is not so needed for bikes)
I used your posted image just because it was easily available.
Btw, i liked your "future" thinking!!

In API rating the temperature range is also included..ie. SL and SM has better thermal stability than the previous ratings...which is why i was looking for this rating in oil..I drive a bike with Air cooled engine and the better the thermal rating the better the Reliability......otherwise a JASO MA2 spec oil is good enough...
The future of using one oil for most application is here..starting with Rotella T ,and the demand for it is so high the supply is always far behind .

[muztariq]

JASO effectively added the JASO-MA2 & JASO-MA1 specifications by splitting the existing JASO-MA spec into two groups by friction-performance (MA1 is the lower friction oils; MA2 the higher friction oils suitable for bikes).
Motul 300V as far as i know doesnt have JASO-MA2 "yet"on their labeling...I use the Castrol Power racing 1 (labelled MA2 and needed as per service manual) and moved to Motul 300v but labelling of MA2 isnt there; even though when it would; it will say MA2 as thats what it is....The link from motul itself classify it as JASO-MA not MA2 yet
Note that JASO-MA2 can now be API SJ formulated if you want to go that way... But the reason of asking me the question was If you have seen 300v with MA2 label as that will help me really...
None of the shops in US or Au have Motul 300v with MA2 labeled yet... If you have it there... its awesome but I highly doubt it...But do let me know so I can ask them to get it...

JASO Specs does not work as you have said.. Neither was the MA spec bifurcated.. Two different grades in addition to MA was added.
Yes you are right when you say MA1 is having lower viscosity than MA .. But it is having lower viscosity than MA2 also. Its for the consumer to decide which oil he wants to buy.. MA, MA1, MA2 or MB(for dry clutch bikes, not seen in India).
And it is also not correct to consider that MA will be upgraded to MA2.. Both are totally different specs. MA is nowhere inferior to MA2.
The results of various tests decide that bike oil falls in which category. And one more important thing - all oils whether MA MA1 MA2 MB are for motorbikes.. But can be used for other equipment like snowmobiles which psr sir's post on 0w40 grade amsoil showed.
If you want more smooth ride go for MA1 ratings. I am not sure whether ma2 or ma is for power.. If castrol power 1 racing is MA then its for power.. Not sure for this.

Surprised.. But this is the truth..

Dear PSR sir, Reputed manufacturers use MA2.. Not correct. Reputation is not linked to these specs.. All three, actually four specs are independant of chronology.. Its just your oil falls in which of the four category.

Cheers.

[muztariq]

In API rating the temperature range is also included..ie. SL and SM has better thermal stability than the previous ratings...which is why i was looking for this rating in oil..I drive a bike with Air cooled engine and the better the thermal rating the better the Reliability......otherwise a JASO MA2 spec oil is good enough...
The future of using one oil for most application is here..starting with Rotella T ,and the demand for it is so high the supply is always far behind .

thanks for the information about API SL and SM oils..
If your oil is JASO certified, just relax, the oil is tested for everything you require from a bike oil. There is a high shear high temperature test also.

Regarding one oil for all applications.. My opinion is different.. Its getting more and more specific.. If your bike is wet clutch you have three categories in JASO alone.. Which depends on your requirement.. Want smoothness go for this.. For power go for this.. For control go for this.. Yes if you want better control on the bike and brake efficiently one spec is there.
Oil specs for cars are going towards 0w20.. As bike oils are also moving in that direction the regulatory viz JASO is introducing more stringent testing like gear pitting test.. In which thin oils like 5w will not qualify.
Other authorities are busy making low pollution specs.
Some other authority is making energy conservinh specs.. Though one oil for all purpose is getting more and more difficult for the manufacturer, the consumer is greatly benefitted.. More and more choices are coming for us!

[dabu]

Engine Oil-Pulsar 150 UG3

Hi to all.This is my first post and I am sorry if I broke any forum rule. I am using pulsar 150cc UG 3 from last 3 years. As per manual it states use 20w40 oil, and I was using Castrol active 4t 20W40 mineral from last 2 years. Oil was ok kind but not good enough. Bike is about to complete 18K.
I never use to change oil in Bajaj service center as I feel they do not change it, instead they use to top up. Recently I move to Pune …oh I was there in Bangalore earlier. I was giving it to one of the Bajaj service station, but still did not ask to replace oil. One day the service station guy told that if I do not change oil in his shop, he is not going to do the service. I was very angry.
Since I was new to the city and I was not aware if there is any other authorized service station, I asked him to put Castrol active 4t 20W40.. But recommend 20w50 and also told Bajaj has changed the recommended grade for all pulsar dtsi engines. I have found a new service station and never go to him.
I sent a mail to Bajaj customer care to confirm about the oil grade to use in pulsar UG3 150cc and they also confirmed the same...use 20W50. I know Bajaj changed the oil grading to 20w50 from UG 4.5, but I did not know about 20W50 recommendation for all pulsar dtsi series.
Please let me know should I continue using 20w40 or I should go ahead with 20w50 in my pulsar UG 3. If it is 20W50, I am thinking of to try Motul 3100 gold, 20W50 and see how my bike behaves. I searched in net and somewhere I read the Bajaj changed the grade for all dtsi series as they are not able to control heating problem in the dtsi engine bikes
Please put your valuable input, let me know if you need any other information.

[muztariq]

Hi to all.This is my first post and I am sorry if I am broke any forum rule. I am using pulsar 150cc UG 3 from last 3 years. As per manual it states use 20w40 oil, and I was using Castrol active 4t 20W40 mineral from last 2 years. Oil was ok kind but not good enough. Bike is about to complete 18K.
I never use to change oil in Bajaj service center as I feel they do not change it, instead they use to top up. Recently I move to Pune …oh I was there in Bangalore earlier. I was giving it to one of the Bajaj service station, but still did not ask to replace oil. One day the service station guy told that if I do not change oil in his shop, he is not going to do the service. I was very angry.
Since I was new to the city and I was not aware if there is any other authorized service station, I asked him to put Castrol active 4t 20W40.. But recommend 20w50 and also told Bajaj has changed the recommended grade for all pulsar dtsi engines. I have found a new service station and never go to him.
I sent a mail to Bajaj customer care to confirm about the oil grade to use in pulsar UG3 150cc and they also confirmed the same...use 20W50. I know Bajaj changed the oil grading to 20w50 from UG 4.5, but I did not know about 20W50 recommendation for all pulsar dtsi series.
Please let me know should I continue using 20w40 or I should go ahead with 20w50 in my pulsar UG 3. If it is 20W50, I am thinking of to try Motul 3100 gold, 20W50 and see how my bike behaves. I searched in net and somewhere I read the Bajaj changed the grade for all dtsi series as they are not able to control heating problem in the dtsi engine bikes
Please put your valuable input, let me know if you need any other information.

hi, welcome to the forum.. I dont think you have broken any ruoe here, but you have definately broken a rule by just topping up (unintentionally) and not changing your bikes oil at regular interval. You can always check the quality of the oil from the dipstick.
You are thinking in the right direction.. Motul is one of the best mineral oils in the country. The garde is also matching. If you have recently replaced the bikes oil you can wait until your next oil change interval, which should be arond two months or 3000 kms whichever comes first. 20w40 which was being used by you for so long does not become caustic if pulsars recommendation changes.. Keep a look at the oil levels.
There is some vital inputs about using diesel oils as engine flush.. As you have not changed oio for a long duration in a bike thats notorious for engine heating problems.. There may be some carbon deposits which can be removed using deisel engine oil.. Mr. Pinaki may help you if 20w50 grade is available.. As you are using it as a flush for lets say 800 kms any w40 or w50 grade will do in my opinion.
Isnt it sir?

Hey can you tell us for how long (in duration and kms) you didnt change the oil?

[dabu]

muztariq- I think there is a confusion , i told I never use to change oil in Bajaj service center as I feel they do not change it, instead they use to top up and thats why I use to change oil by myself. I was using 20W40 castrol active 4t and use to change it every 1500km max. Castrol is not that good...and I read in Xbhp about motul and think of to use it in my next change.

What do you think.. should I use 20W50 for my pulsar 150cc from now onwards or 20W40 is good enough?