Engine Oils

[D.j]

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[prasath_xbhp]

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Why worry when you are here! I didn't picture a wet clutch and thought it had a separate gear box like the old bullets - hence the confusion. My childhood memories related to 2-strokes date back to the early 1990s - my dad's Kinetic Honda. Wonderful era. I still remember the MAX100 and Samurai were some of the most refined and silent 2-strokes at that time. One weird thing is that they had the headlight control integrated into the ignition switch - any reasons for that? Almost every Indian motorcycle/car/scooter manual recommended Servo as genuine oil those days. Servo is still a very good oil !

yes the headlight switch integrated into ignition switch is a weird thing in suzuki bikes....shogun and shaolin were an exception I think.....

[Pinaki]

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..1. Is the Castrol Power 1 Racing 2T an overkill for the MAX100R....if yes, then is it ok to use it on Shogun, RX135(5-Speed)?..

I feel it's unnecessary for the intended use of the bike . For more demanding purpose Motul has fully synthetic 2T .

..What should I do? After 1.3k kms I feel the bike has become rough, gearshifts are hard and the engine heats up pretty quickly.

That's nearing the end of useful life for 10w30 mineral in my experience too ( around 1500kms ). What if you replace the oil now with any good 10w30 mineral and don't tell the ASC ? To maintain warranty you can always fill their oil during next service .

[bala13]

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Hello all,
I have a question regarding engine oils.
I ride a honda hornet 160r it comes with a long service interval of 6k kms or 6 months. The problem is honda asc uses honda mineral 10w30 oil. I read somewhere on this thread that mineral oils can last 2k-3k kms depending on the rider and climatic conditions.
To maintain the warranty I have to stick to what asc offers. What should I do?
After 1.3k kms I feel the bike has become rough, gearshifts are hard and the engine heats up pretty quickly.

I will suggest 2 methods for you

1) Use honda throttle fully synthetic instead of honda mineral. This oil will last for 6k kms.

2) for every 3k or 3 months after servicing in ASC just replace engine oil by DIY or local mechanic. Use honda mineral oil.

[Saurabh213]

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Hello all,
I have a question regarding engine oils.
I ride a honda hornet 160r it comes with a long service interval of 6k kms or 6 months. The problem is honda asc uses honda mineral 10w30 oil. I read somewhere on this thread that mineral oils can last 2k-3k kms depending on the rider and climatic conditions.
To maintain the warranty I have to stick to what asc offers. What should I do?
After 1.3k kms I feel the bike has become rough, gearshifts are hard and the engine heats up pretty quickly.

[ashwanth.r]

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No , not gear-oil , because the clutch is also immersed in the oil and may not work well with certain gear additives . But general 4T 20w40 multigrade motorcycle oil is fine . At one time Castrol CRB was labeled as for general use in both petrol & diesel cars and not having any additives unsuitable for the clutch . So it was a popular choice then . This why mechanics & shopkeepers still remember that . Later "petrol car" usage spec was removed from CRB , but many continued to use from habit and shops continued to sell as usual . However at later stages I also switched to Servo super multigrade 20w40 , which is still very good now . As far as I remember it was the factory recommended oil for Splendor and few other bikes at that time . However even that is now sold by IOC as general passenger car oil only . So as you see it's quite a bit of history with 2-stroke motor oils , and then there is 2T ( premix) oils too .
As for storage , 5 years is nominal shelf life for motor oil . I'll happily buy anything upto ten years old , if the container is intact and storage was normal ( i.e not exposed to air or sunlight continuously ) . Kept that way , oil doesn't go bad at all , even later .

Why worry when you are here! I didn't picture a wet clutch and thought it had a separate gear box like the old bullets - hence the confusion. My childhood memories related to 2-strokes date back to the early 1990s - my dad's Kinetic Honda. Wonderful era. I still remember the MAX100 and Samurai were some of the most refined and silent 2-strokes at that time. One weird thing is that they had the headlight control integrated into the ignition switch - any reasons for that? Almost every Indian motorcycle/car/scooter manual recommended Servo as genuine oil those days. Servo is still a very good oil !

[prasath_xbhp]

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Can't we use something common and simple like Castrol GL-4 that is also easily available, or are 2-strokes GBs different? If he stocks a 5L for many years, it will degrade in quality. Am sure the legendary Max 100R requires only a few 100s of ml of GB oil.

MAX100R requires 900ml of gearbox oil....as mentioned on the kick starter side of the gearbox....

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No , not gear-oil , because the clutch is also immersed in the oil and may not work well with certain gear additives . But general 4T 20w40 multigrade motorcycle oil is fine . At one time Castrol CRB was labeled as for general use in both petrol & diesel cars and not having any additives unsuitable for the clutch . So it was a popular choice then . This why mechanics & shopkeepers still remember that . Later "petrol car" usage spec was removed from CRB , but many continued to use from habit and shops continued to sell as usual . However at later stages I also switched to Servo super multigrade 20w40 , which is still very good now . As far as I remember it was the factory recommended oil for Splendor and few other bikes at that time . However even that is now sold by IOC as general passenger car oil only . So as you see it's quite a bit of history with 2-stroke motor oils , and then there is 2T ( premix) oils too .
As for storage , 5 years is nominal shelf life for motor oil . I'll happily buy anything upto ten years old , if the container is intact and storage was normal ( i.e not exposed to air or sunlight continuously ) . Kept that way , oil doesn't go bad at all , even later .

thanks again for the info sir...u really seem to have a lot of wisdom on oils..... Its surprising to know that motor oils can be kept for that long...10+ yrs.....As far as the 2T oil is concerned, I'm currently using Shell Advance VSX.....i've bought a 1L can of Castrol GO 2T for the next oil fill.....and will try MAK 2T, Servo 2T and HP laal goodha 2T after that.... . I asked the castrol oil dealer about the availability of the Castrol Power 1 Racing 2T oil ( Fully Synthetic ).....but he has no clue abt that.....

1. Is the Castrol Power 1 Racing 2T an overkill for the MAX100R....if yes, then is it ok to use it on Shogun, RX135(5-Speed)?

[Pinaki]

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Can't we use something common and simple like Castrol GL-4 that is also easily available, or are 2-strokes GBs different? If he stocks a 5L for many years, it will degrade in quality..

No , not gear-oil , because the clutch is also immersed in the oil and may not work well with certain gear additives . But general 4T 20w40 multigrade motorcycle oil is fine . At one time Castrol CRB was labeled as for general use in both petrol & diesel cars and not having any additives unsuitable for the clutch . So it was a popular choice then . This why mechanics & shopkeepers still remember that . Later "petrol car" usage spec was removed from CRB , but many continued to use from habit and shops continued to sell as usual . However at later stages I also switched to Servo super multigrade 20w40 , which is still very good now . As far as I remember it was the factory recommended oil for Splendor and few other bikes at that time . However even that is now sold by IOC as general passenger car oil only . So as you see it's quite a bit of history with 2-stroke motor oils , and then there is 2T ( premix) oils too .
As for storage , 5 years is nominal shelf life for motor oil . I'll happily buy anything upto ten years old , if the container is intact and storage was normal ( i.e not exposed to air or sunlight continuously ) . Kept that way , oil doesn't go bad at all , even later .

[ashwanth.r]

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The oil is used in the gearbox/clutch of 2-stroke bikes . It doesn't circulate the entire engine like in 4-strokes . Very few ( if any ) specific 2-stroke gearbox oil available anymore now .

Can't we use something common and simple like Castrol GL-4 that is also easily available, or are 2-strokes GBs different? If he stocks a 5L for many years, it will degrade in quality. Am sure the legendary Max 100R requires only a few 100s of ml of GB oil.

[prasath_xbhp]

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CRB worked just fine on my Max-100R gearbox for years , no problems . For RX100 & later RX135 I remember using general 20w40 motorcycle oils like Servo , so that would be fine too .

The oil is used in the gearbox/clutch of 2-stroke bikes . It doesn't circulate the entire engine like in 4-strokes . Very few ( if any ) specific 2-stroke gearbox oil available anymore now .

1. thanks for your comment, many mechs and oil dealers instantly said 'Castrol CRB' when I said I want a gearoil for my max100r.

2. thats exactly the reason I've made this purchase....as I don't want to sell my faithful and beloved max100r.....

[Pinaki]

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Btw is there any difference between scooter and motorcycle engine oils??

The scooter oils sold in India are for bikes having dry clutch & should not be used in motorcycles that use a wet clutch and circulate same oil as engine in the clutch . The scooter oils usually have friction-modifier additives ( like most car oils ) that shall harm clutch system of wet clutch common oil motorcycles . Naturally these dry-clutch scooters can safely use petrol car oils too , which the motorcycles can't .

I'm going to buy this Castrol CRB Plus ( 20W40 ) ( CF-4 ) ( 5-Litre ) Pack oil for use as gearbox oil for my suzuki max100r...

CRB worked just fine on my Max-100R gearbox for years , no problems . For RX100 & later RX135 I remember using general 20w40 motorcycle oils like Servo , so that would be fine too .

It clearly says on the can that its for tractors and heavy use applications, why would you still buy it?

The oil is used in the gearbox/clutch of 2-stroke bikes . It doesn't circulate the entire engine like in 4-strokes . Very few ( if any ) specific 2-stroke gearbox oil available anymore now .

[joshdsy]

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Did you get the oil change done? If yes, what did you go for. I've done 6,700 on my AS200 and still running Bajaj oil. Gonna change it to either 5100 or 300V.

I'm at 8500 km .. last month IV bearly used the bike due to the monsoons. I'm still on bajaj oil. But I change it every 2000-2500 km. I bought motul 5100 from Amazon on a sale. But haven't used it yet. I will mostly use it at 12500 or so km.

[Vicky_New_Guy]

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What would you guys recommend for an as200 it's a month and a half old and done 2900km . Did first service at 590km using bajaj dtsi oil I wanted to switch to motul 5100 but these chaps at the service centre insist on using this bajaj oil . I can feel the oil wearing out and it's just about 2300km since last service.

Did you get the oil change done? If yes, what did you go for. I've done 6,700 on my AS200 and still running Bajaj oil. Gonna change it to either 5100 or 300V.

[Valkyire]

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I'm going to buy this Castrol CRB Plus ( 20W40 ) ( CF-4 ) ( 5-Litre ) Pack oil for use as gearbox oil for my suzuki max100r...as I see there are no oils targeted specifically for use in 2-stroke bikes as gearoils. ( yamalube gearoil is an exception though ). after enquiring many mechanics and oil dealers, i've made this decision. the seller agreed to sell this to me for rs. 1450/-.

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It clearly says on the can that its for tractors and heavy use applications, why would you still buy it?

[curve_king]

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Hello.. when the engine is standing cold then the oil level display hardly shows some oil (only when i tilt the bike - i can see its there)
But after i comeback from a ride i will see that the oil is upto the optimum level and got some frothing ..

haha what's this !?
inspection window incorrectly placed ? ( i.e too upstream of a position :sly: )
so defect ?
P.S: hope you have noted down your problem carefully.
and the User manual gives all the details for things like these.