Engine Oils

[muztariq]

so do you mean that Honda 10w30 grade oil is better than other 10w30 when it comes to Honda engines?

its the tested oil.. Honda makes its own oil for its own vehicles.. Unlike yamaha which gets it made from motul etc.

asia.vtec.net/topics/oil1.html

also, JASO the world renowned oil testing and approving authority is headed by the same guy who heads yamaha. Yoshonobu yashiro!
The oil companies mentioned by pinakiji are western brands emphasising more on four wheelers rather than two wheelers.. Japanese are the leaders in motorcycles and motorcycle oils whether anyone believes or not.

[gallifrey]

OT: this is off topic but i just want you to request that while using Swype keyboard in your android phone please recheck the words that you to type. sometimes it can be very embarrassing too
hehe. been through it too
actually even am using Swype keyboard right now to type

Ha ha you're right.I shall double check in the future.

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[gallifrey]

They would refuse to fill any other oil in your bike as per company directives. Since your trouble started just since the service , it is possible too that it has arisen out of some other tinkering they might have done . But as the oil grade change is the most obvious thing they have done (and won't tell you the other things they played with), just drain the present oil yourself and fill it with a good 20w40 oil like the one that was been used in your bike earlier . That should hopefully solve your problem .
Edit : and yes, I too got seriously overheating engine with that 10w30 oil on 10km+ rides in summer in Calcutta .

Any tried and tested brands of 20w40? Thought of filling up with motul. Thoughts/suggestions?

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[princesirohi]

its the tested oil.. Honda makes its own oil for its own vehicles.. Unlike yamaha which gets it made from motul etc.

asia.vtec.net/topics/oil1.html

also, JASO the world renowned oil testing and approving authority is headed by the same guy who heads yamaha. Yoshonobu yashiro!
The oil companies mentioned by pinakiji are western brands emphasising more on four wheelers rather than two wheelers.. Japanese are the leaders in motorcycles and motorcycle oils whether anyone believes or not.

as far as i know HONDA does not make any oil. from where do u get this information that honda is making its own oil. plz share with us also.

and the link you have provided is about engine oils for honda CARS and not bikes.

[Pinaki]

its the tested oil.. Honda makes its own oil for its own vehicles.. Unlike yamaha which gets it made from motul etc.
asia.vtec.net/topics/oil1.html
also, JASO the world renowned oil testing and approving authority is headed by the same guy who heads yamaha. Yoshonobu yashiro!
The oil companies mentioned by pinakiji are western brands emphasising more on four wheelers rather than two wheelers.. Japanese are the leaders in motorcycles and motorcycle oils whether anyone believes or not.

Prince'Jee is correct . Honda is tied up with various local companies in it's markets to make the oils they then sell . This one of the bottle of current oils that I have here right now . Very much Made In India by either BPCL,Savita-chemicals or Tide-water oils . Same way as Yamalube here is made by Motul's India manufacturing facility . Which in turn means that they all are buying the base stock off the Govt oil Companies like IOCL/HPCL/BPCL too .



They only approve the oil as conforming to their standards , after through testing in Japan (hopefully) .



JASO is an independent Japanese body testing and certifying oils . They are neither related to Honda or Yamaha or Suzuki etc . Those are really surnames of some families in Japan .

Any tried and tested brands of 20w40? Thought of filling up with motul. Thoughts/suggestions? ..

Motul 3000 4T plus 20w40 is a good oil , I am using the same regularly now . Gulf pride 4t 20w40 is also favoured by many, but short supply at my shop . I found both to be much better than the earlier Savita made Honda 20w40 oil(white bottle) .

[muztariq]

please read this and inform who is the chairman for Jaso and who for Yamaha

New JASO 4T Motorcycle Engine Oil Standard | Top 1 Oil

[muztariq]

as far as i know HONDA does not make any oil. from where do u get this information that honda is making its own oil. plz share with us also.

and the link you have provided is about engine oils for honda CARS and not bikes.

i know its for cars, was just mentioning its vrom honda

https://www.world.honda.com/environment/report/download/2010/2010_reportdata_E_05.pdf

unlike many oil manufacturers, honda developed its own oil. That is what my post is all about..
They get it commercially made from some oil company, but they do it by their own branding after testing it.. So i can call it a honda oil.

[Rahulbarik]

Be very clear on this - HeroHonda specifically disclaims warranty if any oil than Hero-Honda 4T premium 10w30 has been used in the vehicle . Their authorised service centers refuse to fill any oil that has not been purchased from them in situ , even if it is the same HeroHonda premium 4T 10w30 you may have purchased earlier or elsewhere . They will write a note on your service record ( on your booklet and their computerised records ) if you do not buy and use oil from them . That will put a country-wide note on your vehicle number so that you'll not get warranty cover at any HeroHonda network service, ever after .
Not only a different grade etc . Considering the number of vehicles they sell and have already sold over the years , they reap great pecuniary benefit from banning their customers from using any other oil than their own product . Is that not simple ?
And they started to do that not a year back , but many years ago .

Bhai Rahul , where are you finding it in kolkata ? I saw pertonas once or twice on the shelves that too more than a year back . I like regularly needed stuff like oil which I can be assured of easy & long-term supply and Petronas is not one of those here . So I have never tried it .

pinaki da i find this oil just in one place all over kolkata... It is available at guddu's shop... infact it is always available off the shelf... He has a huge stock of this oil... I always buy it from him... But unable to find the full synthetic anywhere over here... The best thing in this oil is cold starts on extreamely cold winters.... Earlier my bike used to have horrible cold starting problem with whatever oil i poured used to take atleas 30 kicks that too after repeated self starts of 20-25 times and battery going dead... But after switching over to sprinta all
problems got solved... Bike started in a single self but it needed to warm up after for 5 mins after that... Engine sound got reduced, overall satisfied... But this thing wont go above 2k kms... After 1.5k it starts to loose... Searching for the fs one...

[madhav krishna]

Brought this for top ups. Engine has become smooth with just a single top up of this oil.

[shoeb2015]

Brought this for top ups. Engine has become smooth with just a single top up of this oil.

Why does your bike need top-ups ?
What drain interval do you follow ?
How much oil did you pour in to top it up ?
"Engine became smooth after top up" ??Was the engine running low on oil ?

[madhav krishna]

Why does your bike need top-ups ?

Well thats a normal phenomenon with any bike. Whenever the level goes down the recommended mark, top up should be done. Please read the earlier pages before asking a question.

What drain interval do you follow ?

Depends on the oil used. Since i used semi synth previously i will drain the oil near 4-5k kms.

How much oil did you pour in to top it up ?

Nearly a 100-200 ml.

"Engine became smooth after top up" ??Was the engine running low on oil ?

As said earlier please refer to earlier pages before asking a query. When the oil level goes down there will be a little harshness in engine & new oil in top up will obviously make the engine relatively smoother.

[muztariq]

Well thats a normal phenomenon with any bike. Whenever the level goes down the recommended mark, top up should be done. Please read the earlier pages before asking a question.
Depends on the oil used. Since i used semi synth previously i will drain the oil near 4-5k kms.
Nearly a 100-200 ml.

As said earlier please refer to earlier pages before asking a query. When the oil level goes down there will be a little harshness in engine & new oil in top up will obviously make the engine relatively smoother.

4000 to 5000 km is on the higher side for an ss oil.. You should keep the interval as mentioned in the manual.
100-200 ml is quite high oil consumption.. If you are feeling improvement in feel of the engine, its not because of this oil.. Its because your earlier oil is dead.. Replacing the complete oil with any oil will make you and your engine feel good!

[madhav krishna]

4000 to 5000 km is on the higher side for an ss oil.. You should keep the interval as mentioned in the manual.

I have estimated that figures considering that the oil might need frequent top ups. I will be changing the oil as soon as the engine turns harsher.

100-200 ml is quite high oil consumption.. If you are feeling improvement in feel of the engine, its not because of this oil.. Its because your earlier oil is dead..

Oil drying issue is quite common with motul semi synths & full synths. Especially with the ester range. Isnt it??
100-200ml is just a rough estimation. I dint measure anything. So the actual volume of the oil used for topup maybe less.

Replacing the complete oil with any oil will make you and your engine feel good!

lol....so you suggest to replace a motul 5100 at just 1400kms?? Sorry but that would be way too costly for me.

[prajnyan]

4000 to 5000 km is on the higher side for an ss oil.. You should keep the interval as mentioned in the manual.
100-200 ml is quite high oil consumption.. If you are feeling improvement in feel of the engine, its not because of this oil.. Its because your earlier oil is dead.. Replacing the complete oil with any oil will make you and your engine feel good!

I am currently running on Yamalube SS 15w50. I agree 200ml is a little too much unless his bike engine is old and burning oil, or maybe its just his phrase, and he would not have measured the quantity, but its natural to see atleast 5-10% drop over so many km,. and topping up SS oil once every 1000km is suggested to me by SVC, an ideal run for Motul SS is close to what he said, its 3000 to 5000km depending on riding condition and if oil filter was replaced along with the oil. But I would say 3000km is sufficient life and its time to change the oil. As always keeping oil level just at the level or little below MAX level always keeps the engine running smooth.

[muztariq]

I have estimated that figures considering that the oil might need frequent top ups. I will be changing the oil as soon as the engine turns harsher.
Oil drying issue is quite common with motul semi synths & full synths. Especially with the ester range. Isnt it??
100-200ml is just a rough estimation. I dint measure anything. So the actual volume of the oil used for topup maybe less.

lol....so you suggest to replace a motul 5100 at just 1400kms?? Sorry but that would be way too costly for me.

I only read what you write.. I am not God.

You say you lost 100-200ml and topped up and felt better.. I read just this.

shv18 on the FZ thread used 30 ml top up with Motul 300V FS in 4000 km on an FZ. I hardly lost any oil in my 4000 km on Shell advance Ultra (FS)!! You say you lost xyz amount (which you didnt measure) on 1400 kms on Motul 5100 which is SS and you felt better.. It must be atleast 100 ml to get that feeling!! It still is too high.
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