Engine Oils

[catchdoon]

New stock MRP is 545, you can get them for 500-520.

That's the problem! He's such an A** he won't sell below MRP. Bloody!

[B7ACKTHORN]

Cool BTW what's the MRP for 1l 5100? The dealer here is quoting 545INR.

And Doon, I know you're a good monger (remember ) Perhaps while billing you can reduce some amount, but after you've become a regular dealer, I've got close to 150 bucks discount for two cans (a while back)

The price is more or less the same. I usually source it directly from one of a main dealer's warehouse, so he offers me discounts as I always buy from him. Just deal it way this time and once you're a regular, the rest follows.

Cheers!
VJ

[Pinaki]

.. Now a days, all the car engine oils are certified for both (CI & SI engines). But, never heard that, bike oils certified for diesel categories also.
Any oil with both credentials on it?? Cheerz!!

Yes , but not in India yet . It is actually the opposite - some originally diesel engine oils are rated for motorcycle use too now . An example is Shell's Rotella T . Both the multigrade conventional oil 15W-40 Rotella T and the synthetic SAE 5W-40 Rotella T6 meet the newest API certification of CJ-4/SM and does list on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets .
Rotella is not marketed in India , but shell says that the Shell Rimula brand is multi-national and comparable in all aspects, including the classification names. (i.e. T-5, T-6, Etc.) . But they are silent about Rimula's JASO status or suitability for motorcycle use in India . Our dear PSR'Jee is sucessfully trying it out (Rimula R3 15W40) in his Karizma .
Remember that most car oils are now marked Energy Conserving , i.e contains molybdenum to compensate for lack of ZDDP and are unsuitabe for wet-clutch (motorcycle) use . Diesel rated oils on the other hand are most unlikely to contain moly as that does not play well with turbocharging , and so they have retained the ZDDP and is devoid of the API energy-conserving markings . Still , as you can see , product documentation and information is not free and forthcoming to the consumers in India without which you never know exactly what they put in the oil , and how much of it . So uninformed use is discouraged .

[B7ACKTHORN]

And if you Google about the info you've mentioned, you can clearly see even they using the Rotella in superbikes.

And perhaps Psr Ji nailed it back quite a few pages

Cheers!
VJ

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[muztariq]

Yes I am happy with Gulf oil but would like to try other engine oil also. Since I am hearing a lot of positives with Shell Rimula and Mobil Delvac wanted to try the Mobil Delvac. Does this mean that the diesel engine oils should not be used normally rather as an engine flush once evert 10000 kms?

Kindly elaborate on what do you mean by 1300 contains a lot of detergent and 1400 contains a lot of ZDDP. What are the pros and cons between them?

Since these engine oils are available in 15W40 and 20W40 should one stick with 20W40 if the engine specs say to use 20W40 or 15W40 can be used? Any pros and cons using Mobil Delvac Super 1400 15W40 over Mobil Delvac Super 1400 20W40 ?

First of all, 15w40 is good enough as per my experience. It is quite viscous. 20w40 would appear more viscous (I dont think my eyes have any viscometer, but you can feel the difference in engine noise and vibrations when you use different grade oils). FS oil (shell ultra 10w40) feels like water in the engine, smooth, light and rev happy engine. Other mineral oils feel heavier.. This diesel engine oil feels heavier than all. Though a very good oil for long drives, but for very short drives (less than 5km/ride) avoid heavy oils.

Delvac 1300 contain lots of detergent - It helps clean the engine better than usual oils.

Delvac 1400 contain lot of ZDDP - This ingredient is a lubricant cum engine protector at high rpms. At high rpms there is a lot of chance of metal to metal contact. This ingredients due to its polarity arranges itself over metal and when two metal come near to each other, this ZDDP layer prevent metal to metal contact. This layer is present even when you drain the engine oil or keep it during the night. When you crank the next day this layer protects the metal parts to come in contact. (Ever seen a Castol Magnatec Ad ?) its ZDDP which they talk about. These clings to the engine like a magnet. Though its not a great technology, every oil (yes, nearly every oil) has it. Racing cars add extra amount for better protection.. But of course, extra is not always better. ZDDP is available off the shelf in many automobile shops like reliance autozone. If you put extra ZDDP in your engine oil and run the engine for 10 mins and drain the oil. The ZDDP layer would prevent engine from siezing for a long duration. Bardhal engine oil additive uses these properties of ZDDP to market their product. There are some videos on youtube called the "no oil run" etc which particularly shows engine running for wxyz kms without engine oil and not siezing. My brother's HH passion's engine got seized after 35 km run without oil (The technician was busy watching a match in which Zaheer khan was hitting sixes some 4-5 years ago, he failed to put back the bolt!)

I made a mistake by not opting for Delvac 1400. Its Delvac 1300 mentioned all over the internet so I bought 5 L of it. Though the engine oil is great in every sense, but I would have loved to have a high ZDDP oil rather than high detergent oil, particularly because the engine in my bike is just 13000 km old and it was only 7-8K old when I started using Delvac 1300 oil.. so, the high detergent level was not required in that young engine which was fed Ultra 10w40 after second service.

Anyways, its one's choice what he want to do to his engine and how he want his ride to respond.

Oh, I forgot to mention that ZDDP is actually a sacrificial layer, the moment metal rubs against this layer, it breaks down. Over prolonged usage the ZDDP levels keeps depleting. So what you started off with doesnot remain when you throw the oil. Hence higher amounts are better. Of course there is another way of replenishing the ZDDP content apart from using diesel engine oil- Frequent oil changes!

[B7ACKTHORN]

Precisely. The same way bardhal is marketed by Bajaj folks. They are almost hellbent on using it on all motorcycles due their first service.

When I inquired them about the same, they had no clue what it was, and all they said was it will make your engine smoother.

Well I just wish all these mech folks read this thread regularly.

Cheers!
VJ

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[shoeb2015]

Long Term Update On Delvac 1400 In Splendor

Done close to 1900 kms on Mobil Delvac 1400.(First ~1300 kms by me,last ~600 kms by my father.)

Today I took it for a long ride and I was surprised to see that the smoothness is just the same as it was when I had left the bike at 1300 kms. Whereas the other conventional mineral/SS motorcycle oils make the engine feel rough at around 2000 kms. Oil's color has not changed much and the clutch is not slipping even under heavy load.
Ride it for more than 10 kms at a stretch during day time to feel the difference.

If you guys think that I am exaggerating then try this oil and see for yourself. (I cannot guarantee how it feels on other bikes,as far as splendor is concerned-this is the best oil I have used till date)
@Pinaki- You always felt that splendor feels harsh in summer,Try this oil and you will never complaint .

[Pinaki]

How is -
i) any engine noise (clutter) after it gets very hot (as is usual with 10w30) ?
ii) compression is better or .. . ?
iii) heat is felt on legs @ 20kms fast runs ?
iv) quick cold starts and easy revving as with 10w30 ?
v) Quick acceleration from cold to hot engine ?
vi) overall fuel efficiency effected ?
vii) what is the plug looking like ?
viii) cost of oil working out cheaper , say running a fill for 2000kms/4mnths ? which size can to buy ?

please

[muztariq]

How is -
i) any engine noise (clutter) after it gets very hot (as is usual with 10w30) ? - Engine will calm down for sure. Your engine will become very silent.
ii) compression is better or .. . ? No effect
iii) heat is felt on legs @ 20kms fast runs ? What is heat!? There would be no heat even after 50 km run
iv) quick cold starts and easy revving as with 10w30 ? No problem with cold starts.. But it wont be easy revving, you would feel it little heavy, but you would feel better protected from the revs. Its like using 20w40 oil in place of 10w30.
v) Quick acceleration from cold to hot engine ? Acceleration wont be impacted.. but dont accelerate when cold.
vi) overall fuel efficiency effected ? No.. its any other w40 oil after 5 mins.
vii) what is the plug looking like ? No idea. Never seen in 5k-6k kms, no misfiring ever.
viii) cost of oil working out cheaper , say running a fill for 2000kms/4mnths ? which size can to buy ? You can use this oil for 3500 kms/ 6 months on a splendor any given day! You can look at the color of the oil and decide.. It hardly changes color in 2000-3000 kms.

please

Worth a try.. costs 250 bucks only!! Replies in color

[princesirohi]

That is what I suspected . Shell India's entire advance range of motorcycle oils are not JASO certified . Never recall seeing JASO MA or MA2 badges on labels of AX3 , AX5, AX7 or Ultra .

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Can anyone please confirm if the Shell Advance series AX3/AX5/AX7 and Ultra oil bottles have the JASO certification symbol and number on them ? Front or back ?

i am using Shell AX7 since last 7-8 months and it is mentioned at the back -->> "Specifications and Approvals: API SL & JASO MA2"

Sir, Gt250R has oil change interval every 3k kms. Once i asked for that when i went to Hyosung showroom to have a detailed view of the Hyosung Gt-250R.

GT250R has an engine oil change interval of 4000 kms as mentioned in user manual.

[fardeen]

Many here have sucessfully used diesel rated oil on their motorcycles to good effect without problems . They have written about their experiences upto now here too . Please read up about it in previous pages of this thread , as well as google for it . I myself am still reading up their updates and want to try such oils soon . But as Psr'jee has warned many times , this is experimental and there are risks involved , particularly with random and un-informed use . Be aware the risk is entirely yours .
Go ahead with it if you clearly understand the risks and still want to experiment , else stick to the oils that you know works well for your bike .

Yes Pinakiji I understand the risks involved and have been reading all the posts so as to get a better understanding. After reading psrjee, Muztariq and Shoeb's post mentioning the benefits of Diesel engine oil in the earlier pages I got interested and wanted to try it.

[Pinaki]

@ fardeen - Me too .

..i am using Shell AX7 since last 7-8 months and it is mentioned at the back -->> "Specifications and Approvals: API SL & JASO MA2"..

Yups , I know . Problem is that they say that on the label without appearing for either API or JASO tests . Can you check and tell me if the JASO symbol/badge with certification number is on any of the labels front or back ? it looks like this , the number/year of approval shall ofcourse be different .

[psr]

With so many oil Brands, Grades, Additives, Standards and Claims,...It is extremely difficult for the un initiated to select an oil which would serve well..from my limited knowledge i would prefer to select an oil on following lines...

1. The oil must be free of Molybdenum Di Sulfide...so called Friction Modifier

2.The oil grade is selected based on Ambient and max Temp likely to reach on real time running..

3. The Oil must have ZDDP of 0.8~1 % to safe guard engine moving parts esp., the drive train which at higher temperatures ,comes under greater stress.

4. The Flash point of oil should be as high as possible, at least 210 C, so that even under severe temperature stress, the oil and additives will not breakdown...

5. The Oil should have high Viscosity Index, and the least possible difference in Kinematic Viscosity between 40 C and 100 c.

6. The oil should have moderate quantity of Dispersant and Detergents, to keep the engine free of deposits, and SLUDGE..

[Touseef Ahmed Mohammed]

GT250R has an engine oil change interval of 4000 kms as mentioned in user manual.

Oh! Thanx for correcting me sir, I think the showroom guy was wrong. He told every 3k.

[sunilyo]

so is it good to add ZDDP as an extra additive with the oil? My bike is also new with only 4.5 k on the odo hence want to know.