Engine Oils

[Divya Sharan]

Re: Engine Oils

Once a diesel, always a diesel. No wonder psr ji vouches for it. Strange why didn't you try the Mobil Delvac, performing flawlessly this side.

Cheers!
VJ

Delvac not available either. Moreover, due to puja celebrations, most shops are shut near my area. I'd done 2200 kms already and didn't want any risks. Would be back to diesel next time pakka.

[sinnerz2000]

Re: Engine Oils

Here's the reply I got from shell



P.S this is in reference to their post on FB



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[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

Here's the reply I got from shell



P.S this is in reference to their post on FB



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How come a company say that!!? I am surprised. When the manufacturer recommends 20w40 an oil company cant ask anyone to use 15W50 oil. Clearly, manufacturer warranty is voided even before the whole oil goes inside. I mean, you think of it and the warranty goes for a toss

The person who was given this suggestion can also drag motul to court for any damage (whether inflicted after or before this!)

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

Here's the reply I got from shell



P.S this is in reference to their post on FB

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They are surely doing marketing of the product. When i had gone to buy the 20W40 oil of same, i had not seen 15W50 spec. Looks like they have launched it very recently.

Cheerz!!

[sinnerz2000]

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How come a company say that!!? I am surprised. When the manufacturer recommends 20w40 an oil company cant ask anyone to use 15W50 oil. Clearly, manufacturer warranty is voided even before the whole oil goes inside. I mean, you think of it and the warranty goes for a toss

The person who was given this suggestion can also drag motul to court for any damage (whether inflicted after or before this!)

A higher grade oil may make the engine sluggish but it doesn't harm it in any way, it actually reduces engine wear alot decreases and dampens the vibrations too, maybe that's why they want people to try it. If u noticed they cleverly haven't answered to my question that wouldn't it make the bike sluggish, they've just said it reduces engine wear and heat which is true.

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[B7ACKTHORN]

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How come a company say that!!? I am surprised. When the manufacturer recommends 20w40 an oil company cant ask anyone to use 15W50 oil. Clearly, manufacturer warranty is voided even before the whole oil goes inside. I mean, you think of it and the warranty goes for a toss

The person who was given this suggestion can also drag motul to court for any damage (whether inflicted after or before this!)

Really surprised to hear this from you Muzz. Even if you're sure enough to drag the folks for a hearing, Motul still has its arse backed up. How? They've clearly said, *TRY* not straight off the line to use it in ones bike. Plus they've never really used the word *use* which in law's hands is a big loophole.

But apart from the above, second the points you've made regarding voiding the warranty.

Cheers!
VJ

[muztariq]

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A higher grade oil may make the engine sluggish but it doesn't harm it in any way, it actually reduces engine wear alot decreases and dampens the vibrations too, maybe that's why they want people to try it. If u noticed they cleverly haven't answered to my question that wouldn't it make the bike sluggish, they've just said it reduces engine wear and heat which is true.

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Thats what you and I believe. An oil company cant recommend oil for an equipment that they didnt manufacture.

Nowadays, 0w20 and 5w30 are more favored than 20w40 and 15w40 oils in automobiles. Technology is trying to reduce emissions by reducing viscosity and theses guys are favoring higher spec than the recommended spec.

An example:

Will the use of Mobil 1 void my new-car warranty?

With the exception of the Mazda rotary engine (Mazda does not recommend any synthetic oils), Mobil 1 will not void new-car warranties where an API certified oil is recommended. Mobil 1 meets or exceeds API (American Petroleum Institute) and ILSAC (International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee) motor oil service requirements of all new-car manufacturers, both import and domestic. If in doubt, always check your vehicle owner's manual or contact the vehicle manufacturer

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Isnt it clear that use/no use of a particular oil rests with the manufacturer of the equipment rather than the oil.

[sinnerz2000]

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Thats what you and I believe. An oil company cant recommend oil for an equipment that they didnt manufacture.

Nowadays, 0w20 and 5w30 are more favored than 20w40 and 15w40 oils in automobiles. Technology is trying to reduce emissions by reducing viscosity and theses guys are favoring higher spec than the recommended spec.

An example:

Will the use of Mobil 1 void my new-car warranty?

With the exception of the Mazda rotary engine (Mazda does not recommend any synthetic oils), Mobil 1 will not void new-car warranties where an API certified oil is recommended. Mobil 1 meets or exceeds API (American Petroleum Institute) and ILSAC (International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee) motor oil service requirements of all new-car manufacturers, both import and domestic. If in doubt, always check your vehicle owner's manual or contact the vehicle manufacturer

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Isnt it clear that use/no use of a particular oil rests with the manufacturer of the equipment rather than the oil.

Hmm true, its not common for them to recommend a grade other than the factory specified that's why I put it up here. Does higher grade means more emission?

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[psr]

Re: Engine Oils

For protection against engine wear two specific ingredients, ZDDP and Calcium long chain Alkaryl Sulphonate are required, both of which is no longer present at adequate levels in any Gasoline engine oil ..

[sinnerz2000]

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For protection against engine wear two specific ingredients, ZDDP and Calcium long chain Alkaryl Sulphonate are required, both of which is no longer present at adequate levels in any Gasoline engine oil ..

But we do get ZDDP additives separately in the market right?

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[devils_friend]

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But we do get ZDDP additives separately in the market right?

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Not advisable to put such additives in the oil. Else, its upto ones discretion to use it or not.


Cheerz!!

[psr]

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But we do get ZDDP additives separately in the market right?

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not to the best of my knowledge in India.....In UK, USA and Australia it is available...

Not advisable to put such additives in the oil. Else, its upto ones discretion to use it or not.


Cheerz!!

May I know the reason behind your warning ?

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

May I know the reason behind your warning ?

Sir, with due respect, had read on a forum that, one of the guy had mixed boron in his engine oil. Over a period of time he started facing issue witht the engine. When the problem was diagnosed, it was seen that the crankshaft and cylinder walls had some wear issues on it. Although, he was using the recommended grade oil, he used boron since it was marketed as friction reducer and increase in mileage.

Cheerz!!

[psr]

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Sir, with due respect, had read on a forum that, one of the guy had mixed boron in his engine oil. Over a period of time he started facing issue witht the engine. When the problem was diagnosed, it was seen that the crankshaft and cylinder walls had some wear issues on it. Although, he was using the recommended grade oil, he used boron since it was marketed as friction reducer and increase in mileage.

Cheerz!!

Boron is a very useful friction reducer. I had used it in my Two cars and Bikes as also in most of my Friend's vehicles without a single complaint...The problem is the Purity and particle size...if there are scratch marks on the bore after use, obviously there must have been impurity in the material used....

Here is a useful link....

http://www.anl.gov/articles/nano-boric-acid-makes-motor-oil-more-slippery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8yqWBEd5CE

[sinnerz2000]

Re: Engine Oils

Sir, with due respect, had read on a forum that, one of the guy had mixed boron in his engine oil. Over a period of time he started facing issue witht the engine. When the problem was diagnosed, it was seen that the crankshaft and cylinder walls had some wear issues on it. Although, he was using the recommended grade oil, he used boron since it was marketed as friction reducer and increase in mileage.

Cheerz!!

But we're talking bout ZDDP which is already present in engine oils not boron, as psr sir is saying the quantity of ZDDP isn't enough in oils these days, so i feel its better to add an additive. But where do we get it is the question

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