Engine Oils

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Guys, i recently drained 300V from my R15 after running 4000kms on it.. I got just 900ml out of 1L when i drained...Is this ok? I guess FS tends to evaporate in summers.

PS: Why is thread moved to Help me section?

900 ml out of 1L , i think it's pretty ok 100 ml oil might have got evaporated, and after running for 4000kms you are pretty much there to change the oil, so i would say don't top it up and change it completely keep an eye on your bike's radiator it shouldn't be clogged the coolant must be upto the level.

[siddharthsure]

Re: Engine Oils

Are you seeing any white smoke? Or any oil in your coolant? If no then your fine its just evapoting.
But that also shouldn't happen a lot since your engine is liquid cooled.. maybe it is overheating. Are you hearing the fan kick in a lot?
Some oil evaporation using fs oils is normal, try downgrading, or drain andnchange coolants for a change tonser if your bike runs cooler.

divyansh....

900 ml out of 1L , i think it's pretty ok 100 ml oil might have got evaporated, and after running for 4000kms you are pretty much there to change the oil, so i would say don't top it up and change it completely keep an eye on your bike's radiator it shouldn't be clogged the coolant must be upto the level.

No white smoke and no oil in coolant... 2000kms out of 4k was done in super hot summer and heavy stop and go traffic where radiator fan would kick in...


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[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

No white smoke and no oil in coolant... 2000kms out of 4k was done in super hot summer and heavy stop and go traffic where radiator fan would kick in...


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I think your bike is fine not to worry, and above all you are riding yamaha man, the most reliable bikes are made by them.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

No white smoke and no oil in coolant... 2000kms out of 4k was done in super hot summer and heavy stop and go traffic where radiator fan would kick in...


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Then relax, your bike is fine.
If the fan kicks in in stop and go trafic its normal, but if the fan kicks in a lot on long highway rides its a worry cause usually the moving air is enough.

And its ok... 4000km with a loss of 100ml is ok.
Fs oils last that much and hence are worth the price but if you are using it in a high traffic area I would drain it a wee bit early say 3000km since oil would degrade more. Oil degrades more in city trafic I belive because our engine runs more kms than the odo shows,....
You ran 2000 km out of the 4 k on odo in city traffic
But your engine ran more... simply because the engine was still running in stop and go trafic and that running of the engine without the bike moving is not accouted for.
To compensate make your drain interval a little quicker,

100ml fs loss is normal in super hot city traffic.

divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Why don't you use waterless coolant, i think it's better than these water mixed coolants,and Divyansh bro you have described it very well, great buddy.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Why don't you use waterless coolant, i think it's better than these water mixed coolants,and Divyansh bro you have described it very well, great buddy.

thanks bro,
Premix coolants (the coolantsnyou dont have to add water to) are also water based I think in the ratio of 50:50.. but cost twice as much... I mean double the price for distlled water:banghead: y not mix by hand?
But premix is goo if you have to do topups.


Mods can this thread be renamed "engine oils and colants"? No coolant thread is there I suppose and many bikes now a days are coming with liquid cooling

divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

thanks bro,
Premix coolants (the coolantsnyou dont have to add water to) are also water based I think in the ratio of 50:50.. but cost twice as much... I mean double the price for distlled water:banghead: y not mix by hand?
But premix is goo if you have to do topups.


Mods can this thread be renamed "engine oils and colants"? No coolant thread is there I suppose and many bikes now a days are coming with liquid cooling

divyansh....

Hmm if they are already premixed then yes why not mix it by hand, fair answer buddy.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

And its ok... 4000km with a loss of 100ml is ok.
Fs oils last that much

A genuine FS oil should last for more than 6000 kms. As per The American Petroleum Institute (API), a genuine fully synthetic oil is one which is made from group 4 or 5 base stock and will essentially contain PAO (group 4), PAG / polyesters (group 5).

Oil not made from group 4 or 5 base stock will be manufactured by hydrocracking and should not be termed as FS oil.

Moreover, FS oil has a tendency to vaporize and hence it is recommended to topup after every 2000 kms.

[jeevan.life]

Re: Engine Oils

A genuine FS oil should last for more than 6000 kms. As per The American Petroleum Institute (API), a genuine fully synthetic oil is one which is made from group 4 or 5 base stock and will essentially contain PAO (group 4), PAG / polyesters (group 5).

Oil not made from group 4 or 5 base stock will be manufactured by hydrocracking and should not be termed as FS oil.

Moreover, FS oil has a tendency to vaporize and hence it is recommended to topup after every 2000 kms.

Not sure on the vapourization part of FS oil, never had to top up between drains and the drain quantity would be pretty much same in my case.

For our riding conditions, FS can last max for 4 to 4.5k kms. Always recommended to re fill in the above interval.

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[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

A genuine FS oil should last for more than 6000 kms. As per The American Petroleum Institute (API), a genuine fully synthetic oil is one which is made from group 4 or 5 base stock and will essentially contain PAO (group 4), PAG / polyesters (group 5).

Oil not made from group 4 or 5 base stock will be manufactured by hydrocracking and should not be termed as FS oil.

Moreover, FS oil has a tendency to vaporize and hence it is recommended to topup after every 2000 kms.

+1 ont he vaporizing issue, and the need to topup.
Unfortunately the 6000km quote cannot be same for all bikes or conditions even something as dirty or too free flowing (not cleaning) air filter can screw up your engine oil faster!

Not sure on the vapourization part of FS oil, never had to top up between drains and the drain quantity would be pretty much same in my case.

For our riding conditions, FS can last max for 4 to 4.5k kms. Always recommended to re fill in the above interval.

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Yes oil does vaporise and infact a bike running 20w40 mineral should use a 20w50 or a 15w50 synthetic just because it will be thicker and more resistant to vaporization in extreme heat, also it will loose its viscosity a little less quickly.

divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Why to stretch even an fs oil to 6000kms.

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

Contrary to the above poll graph:

http://averagejoesmotorcycles.com/files/Download/motorcycle_oil_study.pdf

check Motul oils performance against 4-ball wear test.


WARNING: The document is pro-AMSOIL.

Contrary to above pro-AMSOIL study: (about 4-ball wear test)

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1584948

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Has anyone used Servo full synthetic oil in motorcycles, if someone has used this oil pls mention it's benefits and drawbacks.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Has anyone used Servo full synthetic oil in motorcycles, if someone has used this oil pls mention it's benefits and drawbacks.

Stay away from servo,
You cannot use a 4 stroke oil on a 2 stroke bike simply because 2 stroke engine oil is designed to be burned and hence dosent leave any residiue where as a 4t oil when burnt will leave deposits on your sparkplugs and what not... overtime this is bad and you will need decarbonisation etc,
My advice is to go find
Motul 800 factory line 2 stroke engine oil
Shell vsx 2 stroke engine oil
Castrol power 1 2 stroke
Castrol 2 stroke jettex
All these are very good oils


Here is what my uncle did (unfortunately hes no more)
He used motul 20w40 engine oil in the bike and premixed petrol at home with 15ml/liter castrol 2t oil and poured it in. (Suzuki samurai)
divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Stay away from servo,
You cannot use a 4 stroke oil on a 2 stroke bike simply because 2 stroke engine oil is designed to be burned and hence dosent leave any residiue where as a 4t oil when burnt will leave deposits on your sparkplugs and what not... overtime this is bad and you will need decarbonisation etc,
My advice is to go find
Motul 800 factory line 2 stroke engine oil
Shell vsx 2 stroke engine oil
Castrol power 1 2 stroke
Castrol 2 stroke jettex
All these are very good oils


Here is what my uncle did (unfortunately hes no more)
He used motul 20w40 engine oil in the bike and premixed petrol at home with 15ml/liter castrol 2t oil and poured it in. (Suzuki samurai)
divyansh....

I think i haven't been able to clear my requirement properly ,Bro, iam talking of engine oil or the gear oil for my bike, and not 2toil which is mixed in petrol through autolube pump, right now iam using yamaha's semi synthetic 2t oil for mixing with petrol, the gear oil curently sitting in my bike is 20w 40 of yamaha brand, but it's been six months since i last changed my bike's gear oil so thinking of changing it with atleast semisynthetic oil, and how about this oil from Total lubricants they have got a product which is 20w50 compatible to petrol, diesel, and cng and exceeds API sj specification that's what is written on the can, problem with castrol is you are never sure that whether it's genuine or not, moreover i have heard from most of the people, that the product castrol is providing in India is nowhere near of there product which is available outside India, they are just robbing people.