Engine Oils

[jeevan.life]

Re: Engine Oils

Oil turning black is not an indication that the oil has lost its lubrication. In fact it is an indication that the oil is doing its job to keep the engine internals clean. The oil turns black because it cleans the gunk from the engine and holds it in suspension and does not allow the gunk to settle on the metal parts of the engine.

The real test to find out the usability of oil is to touch the oil. If the oil is still sticky in feel and does not feel grainy, it can still be used for a few hundred kms. You will come to know of the feel with experience. Try out feeling a few used oils at a friend mechanic's workshop who changes oils. I have done this at my friend's workshop and learnt by experience.

How would you expect the oil which has gunk and turned black due to gunk to lubricate the engine? Gunk and carbon deposits post a point will start rubbing against internals and cause more damage wont it? As far as touching the oil goes, I trust my bikes feedback than what my finger says as it is the bike that needs the oil change than the finger.

Anyways, It is left to the individual and his experience to change oil as per his needs. I provided general suggestion and am no expert neither in oils nor in mechanics. So I would leave the discussion here and leave it to the owner to decide whats best for his bike

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

Again brother it will vary on the bike and riding conditions too, moreover clocking kms on an oil should depend more on the feel of the oils smoothness etc rather than the no, of kms on the odo,
Moreover fs oil should be used more for its smoother, cooler running and better protection of bikes internals rather than its lasting capacity.
Please dont be offended brother. Just a thought


divyansh....

There is nothing to be offended about. Members post their experiences here. I was just trying to clear some myths and if someone is changing oils before time then it would be a wate of money.

Still it is a personal choice to change oils after whatever intervals we want.

Also if you are really looking for better protection, cooler running then genuine FS oils will vaporize after every 2K kms. try Shell rimula or any other HDEOs. Better still, why not go for quicksilver oils??

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How would you expect the oil which has gunk and turned black due to gunk to lubricate the engine? Gunk and carbon deposits post a point will start rubbing against internals and cause more damage wont it? As far as touching the oil goes, I trust my bikes feedback than what my finger says as it is the bike that needs the oil change than the finger.

Anyways, It is left to the individual and his experience to change oil as per his needs. I provided general suggestion and am no expert neither in oils nor in mechanics. So I would leave the discussion here and leave it to the owner to decide whats best for his bike

Point one - The oil has an inherent property of keeping the gunk in suspension. When the oil feels grainy to touch, then that is the indication that it will stop lubricating and the carbon deposits will rub against the metal parts.

Point two - Regarding bike's feedback, My Honda CBR feels rough from day one when I put castrol FS oil in it, but is quite smooth when I use motul SS. Does that mean Castrol FS doesnot lubricate from day one? Or is Motul SS better than Castrol FS?? Well !! that is my bike's feedback.

Point three - As you rightly said, its left upto the individual what he wants to do with his bike, his oil and his money! My friend has a bullet 500. He puts motul FS 300 V in it and changes oil after every 2000 kms. In my friend circle, we call him paranoid.

Point four - I am leaving the thread. Thank you for the entertainment.

cheerz!!

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Engine oil starts getting black in few hundred kms, but black necessarily dosen't means that it has lost its properties of lubrication, some brands oils blackens later some sooner, checking the oil with your finger is the traditional method and is in use from as late as the invention of the oil itself,and feeling the need of an oil change through behaviour of the engine is another method, both are right, it just depends on individuals what method they choose.

[jeevan.life]

Re: Engine Oils

There is nothing to be offended about. Members post their experiences here. I was just trying to clear some myths and if someone is changing oils before time then it would be a wate of money.

Still it is a personal choice to change oils after whatever intervals we want.

Also if you are really looking for better protection, cooler running then genuine FS oils will vaporize after every 2K kms. try Shell rimula or any other HDEOs. Better still, why not go for quicksilver oils??

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Point one - The oil has an inherent property of keeping the gunk in suspension. When the oil feels grainy to touch, then that is the indication that it will stop lubricating and the carbon deposits will rub against the metal parts.


--> I mentioned after a point gunk starts rubbing, not right away. So going by you, how often should I touch the oil to see if it is fine? Also given the absence of dipsticks in most bikes, do you expect to drain the oil and see or insert something into the oil and check?

Again, dirty oil causes roughness which is an ideal time to change the oil rather than touch and say let me run for couple more 100 kms. Again, its individuals choice, his mony , his oil, his bike.

Point two - Regarding bike's feedback, My Honda CBR feels rough from day one when I put castrol FS oil in it, but is quite smooth when I use motul SS. Does that mean Castrol FS doesnot lubricate from day one? Or is Motul SS better than Castrol FS?? Well !! that is my bike's feedback.

--> CBR manual recommends the use of FS oil. Now regarding the manufacturer, try Shell FS and see how it feels. Every manufacturer has his ways and it may or may not suit the bike you ride, nothing to write about in that. So the bike does give feed back that it isnt liking something? So the same way it reminds you when the oil is no longer doing its job efficiently. You just have to listen to it

Point three - As you rightly said, its left upto the individual what he wants to do with his bike, his oil and his money! My friend has a bullet 500. He puts motul FS 300 V in it and changes oil after every 2000 kms. In my friend circle, we call him paranoid.
--> Yes, TBH, there is a similar guy in our group who has never replaced his engine oil in his electra and has only topped up till date. We call him the same You find them every where dont you.

cheerz!!

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[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

Why can't India (Govt) form a public body to come up with specs like API & JASO and award certificates/renewals are much lesser price for oil manufactures?

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

There is nothing to be offended about. Members post their experiences here. I was just trying to clear some myths and if someone is changing oils before time then it would be a wate of money.

Still it is a personal choice to change oils after whatever intervals we want.

Also if you are really looking for better protection, cooler running then genuine FS oils will vaporize after every 2K kms. try Shell rimula or any other HDEOs. Better still, why not go for quicksilver oils??

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Point one - The oil has an inherent property of keeping the gunk in suspension. When the oil feels grainy to touch, then that is the indication that it will stop lubricating and the carbon deposits will rub against the metal parts.

Point two - Regarding bike's feedback, My Honda CBR feels rough from day one when I put castrol FS oil in it, but is quite smooth when I use motul SS. Does that mean Castrol FS doesnot lubricate from day one? Or is Motul SS better than Castrol FS?? Well !! that is my bike's feedback.

Point three - As you rightly said, its left upto the individual what he wants to do with his bike, his oil and his money! My friend has a bullet 500. He puts motul FS 300 V in it and changes oil after every 2000 kms. In my friend circle, we call him paranoid.

Point four - I am leaving the thread. Thank you for the entertainment.

cheerz!!

Im running on shell penzoil bro, I have seen oils last 10kkms.... depends all on the bikes condition , roadways, how throttle happy the rider is, what kind of fuel quality he gets and so much more, no company can specify hoe long an oil wil last on a bike it varies from bikes to bikes riders to riders.
Cheers!

I need to source royal purple any headsup?

divyansh....

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Why can't India (Govt) form a public body to come up with specs like API & JASO and award certificates/renewals are much lesser price for oil manufactures?

The govt. Simply lacks the interest!
Companies need to bribe the govt into it,
Just like the tyre scenario, you need isi branding and certificate on the tyre for it to be road safe in india... what do you think an isi marked ralco tyre or tvs is better or an unmarked pirelli?
Indian companies will come together and bribe the govt to pass some certification and motul, etc will pull out of the market just like michelins iircs did.
Sad and harsh I may be but truth aint always honey dew

divyansh....

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

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--> I mentioned after a point gunk starts rubbing, not right away. So going by you, how often should I touch the oil to see if it is fine? Also given the absence of dipsticks in most bikes, do you expect to drain the oil and see or insert something into the oil and check?

when u actually feel the bike going rough then u can touch the oil to understand if you can use it for some more time. U can buy a plastic dipstick for Rs 10 in the market if your bike doesnt have one.


CBR manual recommends the use of FS oil. Now regarding the manufacturer, try Shell FS and see how it feels. Every manufacturer has his ways and it may or may not suit the bike you ride, nothing to write about in that. So the bike does give feed back that it isnt liking something? So the same way it reminds you when the oil is no longer doing its job efficiently. You just have to listen to it

Shell FS didnt even lubricate my father's splendor. Shell oils are not even Jaso/ API certified. No way I will use it in CBR. What is there to write about is that my bike is giving a feedback that it does not like castrol FS from day one, that doesnt mean that castrol FS has stopped lubricating my bike's engine from day one. So the bike's feedback might be due to a dozen of reasons put together and cannot be taken as a method to decide when to change oil.

Yes, TBH, there is a similar guy in our group who has never replaced his engine oil in his electra and has only topped up till date. We call him the same You find them every where dont you.

Engine oil never changed in electra ???. Is his bike still running or has he sold it in a junkyard? R u trying to post threads for the sake of arguing?

Buddy ! I would rather leave the thread and post my views some place else.

thanks and god bless u!!

[jeevan.life]

Re: Engine Oils

--> I mentioned after a point gunk starts rubbing, not right away. So going by you, how often should I touch the oil to see if it is fine? Also given the absence of dipsticks in most bikes, do you expect to drain the oil and see or insert something into the oil and check?

when u actually feel the bike going rough then u can touch the oil to understand if you can use it for some more time. U can buy a plastic dipstick for Rs 10 in the market if your bike doesnt have one.


CBR manual recommends the use of FS oil. Now regarding the manufacturer, try Shell FS and see how it feels. Every manufacturer has his ways and it may or may not suit the bike you ride, nothing to write about in that. So the bike does give feed back that it isnt liking something? So the same way it reminds you when the oil is no longer doing its job efficiently. You just have to listen to it

Shell FS didnt even lubricate my father's splendor. Shell oils are not even Jaso/ API certified. No way I will use it in CBR. What is there to write about is that my bike is giving a feedback that it does not like castrol FS from day one, that doesnt mean that castrol FS has stopped lubricating my bike's engine from day one. So the bike's feedback might be due to a dozen of reasons put together and cannot be taken as a method to decide when to change oil.

Yes, TBH, there is a similar guy in our group who has never replaced his engine oil in his electra and has only topped up till date. We call him the same You find them every where dont you.

Engine oil never changed in electra ???. Is his bike still running or has he sold it in a junkyard? R u trying to post threads for the sake of arguing?

Buddy ! I would rather leave the thread and post my views some place else.

thanks and god bless u!!

Abhi, I dont have any need to post for the sake of argument and neither I am interested in arguing over some silly oil. I was mentioning what I felt and experienced and you did what you have been doing and shared your experience. I did not mean any offences to you. I hope you did not take my posts in offensive manner, but looks like you already have.

And for the electra owner, he has replaced the oil once that too close to a month ago in his total run of 14K kms after forcing him to do the same.

For leaving the thread, neither I am asking you to leave nor am I holding back and yeah, god bless you too.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

Engine oil starts getting black in few hundred kms, but black necessarily dosen't means that it has lost its properties of lubrication, some brands oils blackens later some sooner, checking the oil with your finger is the traditional method and is in use from as late as the invention of the oil itself,and feeling the need of an oil change through behaviour of the engine is another method, both are right, it just depends on individuals what method they choose.

Exactly my point. The black color of the oil is not a method to decide when to change the oil

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Exactly my point. The black color of the oil is not a method to decide when to change the oil

I will give you an example recently i changed the oil of my motorcycle, the oil was only 1200kms odd old, but still it was utter black,(black like tar) in colour, although oil was sticky if you rub the oil between your two fingers, there was glue like substance in it, but i changed it, so the thing is it was black,still it was providing lubrication,engine wasn't sounding abnormal, still i changed it, so bro both of the methods for checking oil is right one cannot say that this method is wrong and this one right,you are absolutely right, its just personal learning, personal feeling of an individual on oil change.

[tej1]

Re: Engine Oils

I think 5100 semi synthetic will be better or wait for what experts says

tej

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

I will give you an example recently i changed the oil of my motorcycle, the oil was only 1200kms odd old, but still it was utter black,(black like tar) in colour, although oil was sticky if you rub the oil between your two fingers, there was glue like substance in it, but i changed it, so the thing is it was black,still it was providing lubrication,engine wasn't sounding abnormal, still i changed it, so bro both of the methods for checking oil is right one cannot say that this method is wrong and this one right,you are absolutely right, its just personal learning, personal feeling of an individual on oil change.

oil was utter black at 1200kms? something wrong with the engine ot the quality of oil??

Oil was sticky, engine wasnt sounding abnormal, it was still providing lubrication?? still you changed it???. Interesting !!!

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

oil was utter black at 1200kms? something wrong with the engine ot the quality of oil??

Oil was sticky, engine wasnt sounding abnormal, it was still providing lubrication?? still you changed it???. Interesting !!!

Yes that's the interesting part isn't it, on the quality of the engine oil because the mechanic changed the oil in my absence i can't comment on quality although he said he has used genuine yamalube, i even asked that why did he changed the oil he said it was necessary as the existing oil was not good in colour, i was not convinced with his answer but then i thought that after all it's for a good purpose, but this time when i drained the oil i found oil was less in quantity plus black in colour, quite possible because iam not riding hard nowadays my bike's engine has survived.

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

I will give you an example recently i changed the oil of my motorcycle, the oil was only 1200kms odd old, but still it was utter black,(black like tar) in colour, although oil was sticky if you rub the oil between your two fingers, there was glue like substance in it, but i changed it, so the thing is it was black,still it was providing lubrication,engine wasn't sounding abnormal, still i changed it, ...

Which make & grade was that old oil?