Engine Oils

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Magnetic drain bolts are used in most bikes these days Pulsars always have magnetic drain bolts and TVS from what I reckon they've used a strainer instead of a magnet, which does a good job of filtering the oil. The magnetic one is good stuff, have seen broken bearing components get caught up in the magnetic drain bolt of the Pulsar. Magnetic drain bolts won't be compatible with drain threads that have a system for oil strainer.

Cheers!
VJ

So which magnetic bolt is best for my bike, and what about the size of thread.

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

Thats what I was saying a few days back on this forum. Feel the oil with your fingers. An experienced guy would tell the usability of the oil by touching it.

but beware Divyansh!!. when I had posted this same info on this forum, there was a lot of debate to prove this method wrong.

Anyways. Nice info to go through. Do post some more of such knowledge.

Oil analysis by using fingers is a useless activity. Give 5 different used oils to an experienced person in the art and ask him to identify which oil has run 40 kms, 400 kms and 4000 kms from just the touch of it. Please also keep a control; brand new oil. I am sure he wont be able to identify 4000 km old oil blindfolded.

Why dont you take 20 ml samples at regular intervals from your vehicle and use the oil for 4000 kms. Now keep these samples in petriplates and blindfold yourself. Now randomize the samples and identify the 4K oil from a set of 5,6 oils. You would come to know what I mean. Do not forget to top up the oil when you are taking a sample out.

Read this FAQ section from valvolinecummins. It states that if the oil has changed viscosity 'substantially' when checked between fingers, go for oil testing, only after testing the oil decide to change it. FAQ's :: Valvoline ::

[Pinaki]

Re: Engine Oils

Iam also looking for this magnetic drain bolt plug for my bike but till now i haven't found any plug particularly for my bike(rx-100).

See if any of the TVS bike's drain bolt shall fit . TVS uses magnetic drain bolts .

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

Im taking about the gearbox oil brother, being a 2t no engine oil. Same with rx ehh? Any suggestions ksumaker?

divyansh....

The Yezdi Oil king was the first and only motorcycle which had attempted to move away from pre-mixed fuel to a separate oil lube system via an oil pump, my dear friend !!

AND the Oil king was discontinued as it failed miserably. All other yezdis had premixed fuel with sae 50 oil to be added to petrol.

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Oil analysis by using fingers is a useless activity. Give 5 different used oils to an experienced person in the art and ask him to identify which oil has run 40 kms, 400 kms and 4000 kms from just the touch of it. Please also keep a control; brand new oil. I am sure he wont be able to identify 4000 km old oil blindfolded.

A generalized statement has been issued by oil manufacturing companies that oil shud be changed after every 2K kms and we blindly follow it. Oil companies do this to increase their revenue and we help them by shelling out our hard earned money.



My dear Muztariq bhaiyya, even I can identify a difference in a 40 km and 4000 kms old oil. AND I am not an "experienced" person. As far as "blindfolded" is concerned, this is not a compeitition. It is an activity to understand whether the time has come to change the oil.

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

See if any of the TVS bike's drain bolt shall fit . TVS uses magnetic drain bolts .

Can you mention any particular Tvs model.

[Saurabh213]

Re: Engine Oils

Everyone Who Were/Are Looking For Shell AX-7 In Delhi/NCR Can Buy It From Virender Nagar in Janak Puri Or Karol Bagh .

R-Series Told Me So..

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Everyone Who Were/Are Looking For Shell AX-7 In Delhi/NCR Can Buy It From Virender Nagar in Janak Puri Or Karol Bagh .

R-Series Told Me So..

Can you give detail address of janak puri and karol bagh.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Oil analysis by using fingers is a useless activity. Give 5 different used oils to an experienced person in the art and ask him to identify which oil has run 40 kms, 400 kms and 4000 kms from just the touch of it. Please also keep a control; brand new oil. I am sure he wont be able to identify 4000 km old oil blindfolded.

Why dont you take 20 ml samples at regular intervals from your vehicle and use the oil for 4000 kms. Now keep these samples in petriplates and blindfold yourself. Now randomize the samples and identify the 4K oil from a set of 5,6 oils. You would come to know what I mean. Do not forget to top up the oil when you are taking a sample out.

Read this FAQ section from valvolinecummins. It states that if the oil has changed viscosity 'substantially' when checked between fingers, go for oil testing, only after testing the oil decide to change it. FAQ's :: Valvoline ::

Yeah im no expert just been doing this for a few years now, and trust me sit with my grandpa someday:P he owned his first vehicle in 1940s and works on them regularly till date, he dosent ride or drive anymore but helps everyone in the village and me and all my uncles
Unfortunately I cant stay with him all throughout the year
Hez having over 70 years experience with cars and bikes and tractors and all:P he can touch oil and tell you about it, trust me. Some guys experience outweighs our knowledge, he cant see much though..,, weak eyes... but he is the best I know. Even the old yezdi factory mech nearby my place is a gem of a guy. Unparalleled experience some guys have man,
yeah maybe I wont be able to touch and feel the oil as well right now, few years down the line hopefully my experience will outweigh my knowledge
(But I dont wana grow old ever)

I cant question these old timers, they have been rinding longer then I have been breathing, there methods though old are bullet proof. Yeah oil testing and equipment and all that is there but id still prefer experience over knowledge, books can only take one so far.
People are free to choose what they prefer these are old methods I knew of and learnt hence posted.

Sorry if this is offensive to anyone.


Ps:- please tell us where we can go for oil testing here in india, sending oil to usa is......

divyansh....

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Oil analysis by using fingers is a useless activity. Give 5 different used oils to an experienced person in the art and ask him to identify which oil has run 40 kms, 400 kms and 4000 kms from just the touch of it. Please also keep a control; brand new oil. I am sure he wont be able to identify 4000 km old oil blindfolded.

Why dont you take 20 ml samples at regular intervals from your vehicle and use the oil for 4000 kms. Now keep these samples in petriplates and blindfold yourself. Now randomize the samples and identify the 4K oil from a set of 5,6 oils. You would come to know what I mean. Do not forget to top up the oil when you are taking a sample out.

Read this FAQ section from valvolinecummins. It states that if the oil has changed viscosity 'substantially' when checked between fingers, go for oil testing, only after testing the oil decide to change it. FAQ's :: Valvoline ::

Forgot something,
40 to 400 km oil will be difficult to diffrentiate but not impossible.
But anyone can different between 40 and 4000km oil....

divyansh....

[saumyadip]

Re: Engine Oils

So which should i use for my ignitor 125cc

fully synthetic or semi synthetic ?

will Honda Racing 4t 10w30 work fine or i shall use Motul 7100 10W40 ?

you cannot use motul 10w40 . Because company recommends ignitor users to use 10w30.. so don't go above 30.

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

Is there any HDEO oil in Indian market with API CI-4 Plus spec bearing proper API Logo(donut) like JASO's?

A bump.
I like API's donuts & JASO's biscuits.

What I was telling about was just the JASO management fee. The testing fee would be very high.

How much?

A gentle bump.

Coz, Motul offers affordable mineral oils with JASO certification. Will add all certified oil available in India later.

Volkswagen does oil analysis for the cars that come in for service, ill be going there someday hopefully will request them to send a sample of my bikes oil too if they agree, im willing to pay for it though...

Keep us posted buddy.

... the MIXING(home-brew).

Motul has only two Semi-Synth oils with JASO-MA2(2011) certification in India, viz:

Motul 5100 10w30
Motul 5100 15w50

an intermediate grade something like 15w40/10w40 is missing...

Anywayz, I would like to brew a mix of above two Semi-Synths to get something between 10w40 - 20w40;

Found an useful calculator: purely theoretical !
Mixing viscosities

Check other valuable/useful info/tools on that site.

Duty rates on lubricating oils is as follows
1. 10% basic duty.
2. Landing charge 1% CIF.
3. Countervailing duty 12% Cifd + landing charge.
4. Cess 3% duty + countervailing duty.
5. Additional countervailing duty 4%.
...

That's like 30% tax cumulative if I can trust my math skills.

Apart from that import duty, we have 14.5% VAT here in Karnataka, that makes 44.5% tax in total; right?

Import-duty(tax collective) on engine-oils
I need another opinion on this taxation info from experienced seniors. @Pinaki , @psr ?

@B7ACKTHORN

Here is the direct link for "chemistry and technology of lubricants - 3rd ed" book @muztariq was talking about.

http://do.rulitru.ru/v22251/?download=1

FileSize ≈ 10 MB

Yes, read the thread from first post; it was worth it. Felt like "spring summer fall winter & spring" movie

[Infiltrator]

Re: Engine Oils

how good is bajaj engine oil? its refill and replacement is claimed at 5,000km.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

how good is bajaj engine oil? its refill and replacement is claimed at 5,000km.

As per fellow xBhpians, the oil doesn't even last for 2k kms.

Cheerz!!

[CHINMAY_PATHARE]

Re: Engine Oils

Many of them suggested me to use 10w 40 !! semi synthetic & are u are suggesting me not to use 10w40

now m confused

[Divya Sharan]

Re: Engine Oils

Many of them suggested me to use 10w 40 !! semi synthetic & are u are suggesting me not to use 10w40

now m confused

Don't be confused. Yes, the recommended grade is w30, but it often fails to provide adequate protection in summers at least. Use w40 semi synth without a shadow of a doubt!