Engine Oils

[€lixir]

Re: Engine Oils

Hi,
I own FZ25 ABS. The suggested oil grade in manual is 10W40 JASO MA Certified. It does not say Synthetic/Semi-synthetic/Mineral. The problem I am facing is with Yamalube Synthetic 10W40 oil which service center put in. The Yamalube loses its consistency/quality within 800 - 1000 kms. I changed the oil a month back in first service and it already is not up to the mark within 900 kms. The same issue I faced for the original oil which was there when I bought the bike 2 months back.

Now I want to change oil on my own and I do not want to go back to Yamalube. The option I am considering are Shell AX7 (Synthetic blend) as its available in 10W40 and fits in budget as well. However, I am not sure about putting AX7 in FZ25. I checked Motul as well, there is no semi-synth in 10W40. The synthetic oils in 10W40 (all brands) are very expensive or at least I feel them as expensive. Can someone give me expert advice for AX7. Or should I opt for FS oil.

Note-I have been using Shell AX7 for my ZMR and Super Splendor and there absolutely no issues. Both bikes are very smooth. I use Shell HX7 (semi-synth) for Santro and there are absolutely no issues. In other words I trust Shell semi-synth for all my cars.

I faced similar issue when my Yamaha FZ-S, according to Yamaha SVC new engines will either makes lot of heat or ask for frequent oil change. The problem will vanish after motorcycle's Odo reaches 4k+ kms. Better use company oil Yamalube Sporty Premium 10w40 FS (R15 & R3 oil. blue bottle) which they pour since 1st service till 4k-5k kms.
According to my observation Yamalube FS loses it viscosity after 2000kms and the nearest Yamaha SVC recommends drain interval at 3000kms. Also stay away from Shell AX7, me and my friends experience with Shell AX7 weren't good, lasted just 1500kms (reason don't know, most say Shell AX7 is mineral oil marked as Semi-Synthetic ). If using Semi-Synthetic then try Motul 5100 10w/4015w50 or ELF MOTO 4 Roadstar 10W-40.
Currently switched to Castrol Power 1 Racing 10w50 FS, driven around 1100kms and satisfied.

[AP_SF]

Re: Engine Oils

Hello everyone.

I have been riding my Apache RR310 for 6 months now.
TVS uses Motul 3100 in this bike which is a mineral oil, and rr310 engine has a compression ratio of 10.9:1. Since I felt like it's a blunder to put mineral oil in a performance bike like RR310, I switched to Motul 7100.

Despite the recommended grade of 15W50, I went for 10W50 because of availability and have been using it for more than 4000kms.

Recommended oil change duration is 10k kms. And here is my question.

Planning to change the oil, which one will be better?
Options :-
1) Motul 300V 15w50
2) Motul 300V2 10w50
3) Liqui Moly Street 15w50
4) Liqui Moly Street race 10w50 (most expensive)
5) Any other options? Please feel free to suggest.

Thanks. Also shall I keep the trend of changing a FS oil at every 4k-5k kms? The bike feels a tiny bit rough now compared to previous days with 7100. Oil's viscosity and quality seems good.


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[vvk1999]

Re: Engine Oils

Hello everyone.

I have been riding my Apache RR310 for 6 months now.
TVS uses Motul 3100 in this bike which is a mineral oil, and rr310 engine has a compression ratio of 10.9:1. Since I felt like it's a blunder to put mineral oil in a performance bike like RR310, I switched to Motul 7100.

Despite the recommended grade of 15W50, I went for 10W50 because of availability and have been using it for more than 4000kms.

Recommended oil change duration is 10k kms. And here is my question.

Planning to change the oil, which one will be better?
Options :-
1) Motul 300V 15w50
2) Motul 300V2 10w50
3) Liqui Moly Street 15w50
4) Liqui Moly Street race 10w50 (most expensive)
5) Any other options? Please feel free to suggest.

Thanks. Also shall I keep the trend of changing a FS oil at every 4k-5k kms? The bike feels a tiny bit rough now compared to previous days with 7100. Oil's viscosity and quality seems good.


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thats totally irrelevant whether u r riding a sports bike or commuter bike . Engine oil minimizes the friction (not eliminates)
. so the frequency of oil drain is important rather than using a costly oil to last for say 10000 km . better change oil at 5000km. motul 7100 is good oil can last more too. but to be on safe side drain it earlier.
motul 300v ,v2 is strictly for race use where the performance is important than the engine life . so dont use it.

[AP_SF]

Re: Engine Oils

thats totally irrelevant whether u r riding a sports bike or commuter bike . Engine oil minimizes the friction (not eliminates)
. so the frequency of oil drain is important rather than using a costly oil to last for say 10000 km . better change oil at 5000km. motul 7100 is good oil can last more too. but to be on safe side drain it earlier.
motul 300v ,v2 is strictly for race use where the performance is important than the engine life . so dont use it.

Thanks. Any idea about Liqui Moly street?

[vvk1999]

Re: Engine Oils

Thanks. Any idea about Liqui Moly street?

I have used it. no difference felt ,same as motul 7100. I prefer mineral oil now , drain it every 2500-3000km . cheap & good for engine

[jeevan.chaukar]

Re: Engine Oils

Hello everyone.

I have been riding my Apache RR310 for 6 months now.
TVS uses Motul 3100 in this bike which is a mineral oil, and rr310 engine has a compression ratio of 10.9:1. Since I felt like it's a blunder to put mineral oil in a performance bike like RR310, I switched to Motul 7100.

Despite the recommended grade of 15W50, I went for 10W50 because of availability and have been using it for more than 4000kms.

Recommended oil change duration is 10k kms. And here is my question.

Planning to change the oil, which one will be better?
Options :-
1) Motul 300V 15w50
2) Motul 300V2 10w50
3) Liqui Moly Street 15w50
4) Liqui Moly Street race 10w50 (most expensive)
5) Any other options? Please feel free to suggest.

Thanks. Also shall I keep the trend of changing a FS oil at every 4k-5k kms? The bike feels a tiny bit rough now compared to previous days with 7100. Oil's viscosity and quality seems good.


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I will just share my experience. I have used following Engine Oils through last 4 odd years in my Triumph Street Triple 675.

Castrol Power 1 Racing (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - This brand has official tie-up with Triumph and therefore service centre will always provide this oil during a service.
Motul 300V Factory (10W40) - Fully Synthetic - This is one of the very expensive options - I have tried to buy it during Flipkart/Amazon deals or if any local dealer had some deal going.
Motul 7100 (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - Just few days back I have started using this oil.

Observations:
1) Castrol P1R - This is sufficiently good and the bike performs well.
2) Motul 300V - This is the absolute best. Bike is clearly much smoother and the acceleration is slightly more urgent - on multi-cylinder bikes with 100+ bhp power you will certainly feel this difference.
3) Motul 7100 - This is giving me an in-between performance compared to above two. It's noticeably smoother than Castrol, bike performance is almost on par with Castrol or slightly better but certainly not smooth and urgent like 300V variant. I think the urgency is also coming partly due to difference between 10W40 and 10W50 variants. 10W50 is slightly thicker oil and hence engine probably takes slightly more effort with it.

I have kept drain intervals around 10-11 months (approx 7500 - 8500 km) with both Castrol P1R and Motul 300V and likely to maintain similar interval for current oil as well. People do say that Motul 300V is for racing and doesn't last long but that isn't my observation. It remained smooth for as long as 10 months easily and even after 10 months of usage, it was still marginally smoother than Castrol P1R.

One funny thing - I could be wrong but I am feeling that GEAR SHIFTS are slightly smoother with Motul 7100 10W50 than Motul 300V 10W40 (I haven't tried 10W50)

I didn't go for Liqui-Moly as it is even more expensive than Motul though many people swear by it. Also there is one more brand that gets discussed widely in super bike owner groups - PUTOLINE - quite a few are using this as well.

I would like to know what people say about Shell Advance Ultra, Repsol etc options.

[AP_SF]

Re: Engine Oils

I will just share my experience. I have used following Engine Oils through last 4 odd years in my Triumph Street Triple 675.

Castrol Power 1 Racing (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - This brand has official tie-up with Triumph and therefore service centre will always provide this oil during a service.
Motul 300V Factory (10W40) - Fully Synthetic - This is one of the very expensive options - I have tried to buy it during Flipkart/Amazon deals or if any local dealer had some deal going.
Motul 7100 (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - Just few days back I have started using this oil.

Observations:
1) Castrol P1R - This is sufficiently good and the bike performs well.
2) Motul 300V - This is the absolute best. Bike is clearly much smoother and the acceleration is slightly more urgent - on multi-cylinder bikes with 100+ bhp power you will certainly feel this difference.
3) Motul 7100 - This is giving me an in-between performance compared to above two. It's noticeably smoother than Castrol, bike performance is almost on par with Castrol or slightly better but certainly not smooth and urgent like 300V variant. I think the urgency is also coming partly due to difference between 10W40 and 10W50 variants. 10W50 is slightly thicker oil and hence engine probably takes slightly more effort with it.

I have kept drain intervals around 10-11 months (approx 7500 - 8500 km) with both Castrol P1R and Motul 300V and likely to maintain similar interval for current oil as well. People do say that Motul 300V is for racing and doesn't last long but that isn't my observation. It remained smooth for as long as 10 months easily and even after 10 months of usage, it was still marginally smoother than Castrol P1R.

One funny thing - I could be wrong but I am feeling that GEAR SHIFTS are slightly smoother with Motul 7100 10W50 than Motul 300V 10W40 (I haven't tried 10W50)

I didn't go for Liqui-Moly as it is even more expensive than Motul though many people swear by it. Also there is one more brand that gets discussed widely in super bike owner groups - PUTOLINE - quite a few are using this as well.

I would like to know what people say about Shell Advance Ultra, Repsol etc options.

Thanks brother.

Thinking to try out 300V next time then.

[Aswinlogi]

Re: Engine Oils

I have used it. no difference felt ,same as motul 7100. I prefer mineral oil now , drain it every 2500-3000km . cheap & good for engine

Might be way cheaper but how can you justify mineral oil is good for engine?

[Aswinlogi]

Re: Engine Oils

I will just share my experience. I have used following Engine Oils through last 4 odd years in my Triumph Street Triple 675.

Castrol Power 1 Racing (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - This brand has official tie-up with Triumph and therefore service centre will always provide this oil during a service.
Motul 300V Factory (10W40) - Fully Synthetic - This is one of the very expensive options - I have tried to buy it during Flipkart/Amazon deals or if any local dealer had some deal going.
Motul 7100 (10W50) - Fully Synthetic - Just few days back I have started using this oil.

Observations:
1) Castrol P1R - This is sufficiently good and the bike performs well.
2) Motul 300V - This is the absolute best. Bike is clearly much smoother and the acceleration is slightly more urgent - on multi-cylinder bikes with 100+ bhp power you will certainly feel this difference.
3) Motul 7100 - This is giving me an in-between performance compared to above two. It's noticeably smoother than Castrol, bike performance is almost on par with Castrol or slightly better but certainly not smooth and urgent like 300V variant. I think the urgency is also coming partly due to difference between 10W40 and 10W50 variants. 10W50 is slightly thicker oil and hence engine probably takes slightly more effort with it.

I have kept drain intervals around 10-11 months (approx 7500 - 8500 km) with both Castrol P1R and Motul 300V and likely to maintain similar interval for current oil as well. People do say that Motul 300V is for racing and doesn't last long but that isn't my observation. It remained smooth for as long as 10 months easily and even after 10 months of usage, it was still marginally smoother than Castrol P1R.

One funny thing - I could be wrong but I am feeling that GEAR SHIFTS are slightly smoother with Motul 7100 10W50 than Motul 300V 10W40 (I haven't tried 10W50)

I didn't go for Liqui-Moly as it is even more expensive than Motul though many people swear by it. Also there is one more brand that gets discussed widely in super bike owner groups - PUTOLINE - quite a few are using this as well.

I would like to know what people say about Shell Advance Ultra, Repsol etc options.

How about the drain interval in the above mentioned oils?

[#bpk]

Re: Engine Oils

Might be way cheaper but how can you justify mineral oil is good for engine?

Fresh oil is good for engine not expensive oil with longer drain period. Put tvs semi synthetic oil ( red bottle) in your apache, change it every 2k kilometers and you'll have a long lasting engine. No need of synthetic oil for 160cc engines.

[MotoMan]

Re: Engine Oils

It's right. Mineral, FS or SS whatever the type of oil maybe it will not last more than 3000km in an air cooled engine due to ever varying temperature condition. I am saying it from my experience.
I used to use mineral oil and change every 2000km and every thing was good. One day I went to buy new oil and the shopkeeper recommended castrol power 1 semisynth. I had a notion that it would last longer. So I bought and extended the interval to 4k km. Performance wise it was great but it simply didn't last that long. After using two cans of SS oil for 4k km each, my bike went straight to the SVC for bore-piston change. [emoji854]
In a liquid cooled engine tha case may be different though. A constant working temperature is maintained in these engines. I have read about a cbr250r which has done 125000+km with all stock internals. The owner mentioned about missing two or three services but still the oil lasted for 20k km!

[#bpk]

Re: Engine Oils

It's right. Mineral, FS or SS whatever the type of oil maybe it will not last more than 3000km in an air cooled engine due to ever varying temperature condition. I am saying it from my experience.
I used to use mineral oil and change every 2000km and every thing was good. One day I went to buy new oil and the shopkeeper recommended castrol power 1 semisynth. I had a notion that it would last longer. So I bought and extended the interval to 4k km. Performance wise it was great but it simply didn't last that long. After using two cans of SS oil for 4k km each, my bike went straight to the SVC for bore-piston change. [emoji854]
In a liquid cooled engine tha case may be different though. A constant working temperature is maintained in these engines. I have read about a cbr250r which has done 125000+km with all stock internals. The owner mentioned about missing two or three services but still the oil lasted for 20k km!

Which bike you own bro ? ( piston work bike , which is it ? )

[MotoMan]

Re: Engine Oils

Which bike you own bro ? ( piston work bike , which is it ? )

It's a passion pro. But the fact is applicable to all air cooled engines. My bike was not consuming oil till 81K km. Super smooth, no hassles. When I drained the first can of SS oil after 4k km there was a drop of about 300ml in oil quantity. But I was naive. I just ignored it, poured another can and used it for another 4k km. [emoji28]

Now I use only mineral oil and drain it every 2k km.

The castrol power1 SS I used was of 15w40 grade. Hero 4t plus mineral oil from the ASC is 10w30 grade. We would think that power1 is thicker than hero 4t plus. But actually it's the opposite. 15w40 semisynth oil is thinner than 10w30 mineral oil. So I guess in older/air cooled engines with low compression these FS/SS oils get past the piston rings and burn in very minute quantity. Hence there will be no visible smoke or drop in performance but the oil level will drop very slowly.

Another problem is that these oils do not lose their viscosity even at drainage time. Your bike will be smooth even when the oil level will be low. So you don't notice it until you check the level or the engine gets seized!

But with mineral oil the bike will become very harsh during the drainage period. So you will naturally notice it and change the oil.

Note: All my points are related to bikes with air/air-oil cooled engines.
I don't know about oil life in liquid cooled engines.

Motoman.

[#bpk]

Re: Engine Oils

It's a passion pro. But the fact is applicable to all air cooled engines. My bike was not consuming oil till 81K km. Super smooth, no hassles. When I drained the first can of SS oil after 4k km there was a drop of about 300ml in oil quantity. But I was naive. I just ignored it, poured another can and used it for another 4k km. [emoji28]

Now I use only mineral oil and drain it every 2k km.

The castrol power1 SS I used was of 15w40 grade. Hero 4t plus mineral oil from the ASC is 10w30 grade. We would think that power1 is thicker than hero 4t plus. But actually it's the opposite. 15w40 semisynth oil is thinner than 10w30 mineral oil. So I guess in older/air cooled engines with low compression these FS/SS oils get past the piston rings and burn in very minute quantity. Hence there will be no visible smoke or drop in performance but the oil level will drop very slowly.

Another problem is that these oils do not lose their viscosity even at drainage time. Your bike will be smooth even when the oil level will be low. So you don't notice it until you check the level or the engine gets seized!

But with mineral oil the bike will become very harsh during the drainage period. So you will naturally notice it and change the oil.

Note: All my points are related to bikes with air/air-oil cooled engines.
I don't know about oil life in liquid cooled engines.

Motoman.

Same thing happened with my brother's super splendor,( 36k kilometers on odo ) i used motul semi synthetic 10w 30 and after 3k kilometers when i drained it i was surprised that , about 300 ml of oil was consumed, the engine felt smooth and no smoke came from engine from that time i decided to use only mineral oil for my Hornet and super splendor.

[vengymgen]

Re: Engine Oils

Which is the best engine oil for rtr 200?