Helmets

[chaosaddict]

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@arihant

thats informative. but now im again in doubt. should i go for DOT SOL or some ISI vega or studd?

can anyone give a link on how helmets are given ISI? now we know how a helmet gets DOT or ECE or SNELL. but ISI? just wondering how many are really confused with choices after reading the certification details.

Don't get confused, bro! If quality is your priority, go for DOT certified SOL(long & serious rides) and if certification is your concern, go for ISI certified Vega/Studd(does the job for city riding). Search the thread exclusively and I guess the link for ISI details is up somewhere. Your choice!!

[arihant]

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@arihant

thats informative. but now im again in doubt. should i go for DOT SOL or some ISI vega or studd?

can anyone give a link on how helmets are given ISI? now we know how a helmet gets DOT or ECE or SNELL. but ISI? just wondering how many are really confused with choices after reading the certification details.

SOL available here (if genuine) would be export quality helmet. So the quality would be higher. If you have certification as a concern, if I were you, I would go for Studds Scorpion Sports (made for export, have DOT and ISI) or Vega Axor/Vega Cara (Again, has DOT and ISI) or LS2 (has ECE, DOT and ISI).

If you go for SOL, check thoroughly how they tested helmet. Features and bling come second! Go for a real export quality helmet - at least for the one which has at least 2 international certifications, that way you'd be sure it was meant to be exported.

Also note that SOL in lower range will not be fiber glass. For long and serious rides - go for a fiber glass helmet because impacts at highway speeds are severe, a local fiber glass will be much safer than SOL Metal man, which is ultimately thermospastic. Go for a thermoplastic for city rides, for it being lighter. The best you can get is a Snell approved Carbon fiber, but short of that, you are always making trade offs! So make the right ones and choose the one that fits your needs, not because a Helmet is in fashion!

[Legend Racer]

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[MENTION=64552]arihant[/MENTION]

my confusion is... my budget for helmet is Rs 5000. the rate of Studds Scorpion Sports and Vega Axor/Vega Cara is just around Rs 3000. please dont think that im demanding to spend Rs 5000. if i get a good one at Rs 2000 the better. i can buy other gears too.
But the rate of SOL metal man is around 5k. and it is export quality. i sent an e mail to sol and they replied that DJ Helmets in Kerala are authorised dealers for them. just wondering. money got no value? why would SOL and other foreign brands simply pitch products (other than top end ones), at double rates if the safety standard is same as ISI? [MENTION=64552]arihant[/MENTION], you mean 2.5k ISI helmet is gonna perform almost same as 5K DOT or ECE?
i care for my brain. so just asking if its okay to settle for less expensive helmets?

coming to theromplastic vs fiber glass. if it was as you told, then why are many good brands using thermoplastic? why 2.5 k vega uses it and not 5k SOL doesnt?

treat me as a noob in these matters. thanks.

[crazy stuntman]

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Buy THH headgear it quality is very good

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buy THH helmet its good

[payeng]

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Buy THH headgear it quality is very good

buy THH helmet its good

I checked out THH helmets.. the quality indeed is good. But the marketing and sales is not up to mark.

Nobody knows about THH Helmets, there is no website for India to get information (models, price, photos) from.
The dealership network is poor and there is no info Where to get it from.

Get these basics right.

[chaosaddict]

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^^^Right, though I pretty much see'em in most famous helmet stores in Bangalore. But yea, only a piece or two. I guess they're bringing it slow and steady. There is review here by a member, I hope more is on our way.

[MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] - Just visit DJ (whenever you go Kochi) & check out the models, you're considering - you will undoubtedly realize which one to settle for!

[DukeDey]

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Buy THH headgear it quality is very good

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buy THH helmet its good

I checked out THH helmets.. the quality indeed is good. But the marketing and sales is not up to mark.

Nobody knows about THH Helmets, there is no website for India to get information (models, price, photos) from.
The dealership network is poor and there is no info Where to get it from.

Get these basics right.

I find the padding, build, ventilation, paint quality and attention to detail much better on ls2's lets not even compare THH's it with sol, sparx or hjc's.
[MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] you can find thh in Trivandrum if you want to check them out.

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[AK3D]

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SOL available here (if genuine) would be export quality helmet. So the quality would be higher. If you have certification as a concern, if I were you, I would go for Studds Scorpion Sports (made for export, have DOT and ISI) or Vega Axor/Vega Cara (Again, has DOT and ISI) or LS2 (has ECE, DOT and ISI).

If you go for SOL, check thoroughly how they tested helmet. Features and bling come second! Go for a real export quality helmet - at least for the one which has at least 2 international certifications, that way you'd be sure it was meant to be exported.

Also note that SOL in lower range will not be fiber glass. For long and serious rides - go for a fiber glass helmet because impacts at highway speeds are severe, a local fiber glass will be much safer than SOL Metal man, which is ultimately thermospastic. Go for a thermoplastic for city rides, for it being lighter. The best you can get is a Snell approved Carbon fiber, but short of that, you are always making trade offs! So make the right ones and choose the one that fits your needs, not because a Helmet is in fashion!

Good, wise words.
AFAIK, Steelbird manufactures Fiberglass helmets at a low budget. I'm unsure of the models in the market now.
Studds Scorpion is a very capable and VFM helmet for the price. The only drawback is the finish and design which is a consideration for some people.

@arihant

my confusion is... my budget for helmet is Rs 5000. the rate of Studds Scorpion Sports and Vega Axor/Vega Cara is just around Rs 3000. please dont think that im demanding to spend Rs 5000. if i get a good one at Rs 2000 the better. i can buy other gears too.
But the rate of SOL metal man is around 5k. and it is export quality. i sent an e mail to sol and they replied that DJ Helmets in Kerala are authorised dealers for them. just wondering. money got no value? why would SOL and other foreign brands simply pitch products (other than top end ones), at double rates if the safety standard is same as ISI? @arihant, you mean 2.5k ISI helmet is gonna perform almost same as 5K DOT or ECE?
i care for my brain. so just asking if its okay to settle for less expensive helmets?

coming to theromplastic vs fiber glass. if it was as you told, then why are many good brands using thermoplastic? why 2.5 k vega uses it and not 5k SOL doesnt?

treat me as a noob in these matters. thanks.

There are different considerations in the manufacture of these helmets. Some of your questions have been covered earlier as well . Why does a SHOEI or and Arai cost so much more, A Schuberth costs so much more? The certifications are the same. Snell M2010/Snell/DOT/ECE. However, safety levels do differ, as do fit, finish and design.
Coming to the budget range, Sol has good value mainly due to its finish and quality. Would I rate it too much over the Scorpion? Probably not, but it's much better than the current lot of LS2s.
Vega is MII whereas SOL is manufactured by Anyng Enterprise Taiwan ANYNG ENTERPRISE CO., LTD.?BO CAI ENTERPRISE CO., LTD.?HE CHIH INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD. . While its cost might be the same or slightly higher than Studds/Vega in its place of origin (wholesale for example China Full Faced Helmet from Xiamen Wholesaler: Xiamen YDC Industry and Trade Co. Ltd ), import duties/taxes etc drive up its price once landed. Figure in distribution/dealership costs, marketing costs and other margins, and you know why the cost comes to what it is.

I suggest you read from posts 800-900 onward and research your helmet before investing in a lid. Ensure the fit is snug. There are many posts that also elaborate on the questions you've asked.

[Ganesh R Nair]

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I find the padding, build, ventilation, paint quality and attention to detail much better on ls2's lets not even compare THH's it with sol, sparx or hjc's.
[MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] you can find thh in Trivandrum if you want to check them out.

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You have said tge right thing we cannot compare THH with other brands like sol or ls2 I have experiencenced it while using it for half a month because its non aerodynamic structure ,useless strap clip ..and fabric is not well. ..only it comes with in a cheaper range that all...


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[Sunnyside_up!]

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All crappy hemets in states have DOT too, by the way. The most strained test in DOT, AFAIK, is a 10 feet drop with a dummy head inside. The thing is, all countries make it harder for imported helmets to pass standards test. This is why imports here have a tough time getting ISI rating. If LS2 can go through a pain to partner and make it's products available here, why not work to get local standards approval? It is the same reason why Indian brands have tough time getting DOT approval. ~

Absolutely right. Though we've already seen that the same company is not above making false claims to their international certifications like their claimed 4 star SHARP rating for their flagship FF351 model. I have previously posted a reply from SHARP themselves how they have never even tested the FF351 yet.

And I wouldn't expect cops to be familiar with 200 standards of different countries. Read the ISI regulations - ISI is an extremely strict standard. The problem is - the local cheap helmet makers just print the logo without passing the test. Not that they'll ever get caught :/

Absolutely true again! Most Indian helmets are not truly certified by the BIS. However to equate the existing Indian standard with the top International ones may be a little premature. Please refer this attachment, a proposed revision of the existing BIS standard for motorcycle helmets dated earlier this year. http://www.bis.org.in/sf/ced/CED22_7887.pdf

The interesting part is a candid admission in the document itself that they are seeking to amend the standard to reflect better international standards.

"This standard was first issued as an emergency Indian Standard in 1967 (made as firm in 1968) and subsequently revised in 1976,1982 and 1993. This revision has been taken up on the basis of experience gained during these years and to bring in line with latest thinking at international level, such as European regulations. The standard has been aligned with EC Regulation No. 22, Revision 4 incorporating 05 series of amendments to the extent possible, keeping in view Indian conditions. "

The way I read it, the BIS itself feels that the existing standard last ammended in 1993 is now inadequate and they are seeking to reach international standards. This new proposed standard is not yet published as final when I last checked and is still open for study as per this report - http://www.bis.org.in/sf/pow/powced.pdf dated 1st Oct 2013. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, the newer LS2's come with ISI.

I didn't know that - do you have any references to back this up? I'd like to be better informed.

Edit: I must also mention that DOT testing is done by companies themselves, not by authority; while ISI is performed at Bureau of Indian Standards.

Thats not true. The BIS accepts test certificates from outside labs too, and in the case of foreign manufacturers, they can submit their own lab results. Of course, BIS ensures compliance by random testing. This information is available on their website.

But if people start demanding DOT frequently, I can guarantee you the cheaper fakes with counterfeit that logo just as easily - only this time with no Indian law available to even punish them when caught. That's why you need local standards!

You're absoultely correct here. We DO need local standards AND enforcement!

SOL available here (if genuine) would be export quality helmet and So the quality would be higher.

Spartan ProGear is the only licensed Indian distributor of SOL International - that can be verified by the SOL website. Click on the link and it takes you directly to the SPG website. SPG sells also only through authorised dealers listed on its website, so chances are very good that you would get a genuine helmet if purchased from one of the dealers with a tax invoice.

If you have certification as a concern, if I were you, I would go for Studds Scorpion Sports (made for export, have DOT and ISI) or Vega Axor/Vega Cara (Again, has DOT and ISI) or LS2 (has ECE, DOT and ISI).

Without impinging on the reputation of the Indian manufacturers, I cannot help but wonder why Studds and Vega would put a DOT certification on their helmets when they do not sell in the US - or do they? Perhaps you could shed some light? As far as LS2 is concerned, lets not even go there.

If you go for SOL, check thoroughly how they tested helmet. Features and bling come second! Go for a real export quality helmet - at least for the one which has at least 2 international certifications, that way you'd be sure it was meant to be exported.

I cannot agree more. SPG displays the DOT test certificates at the Chennai Experience Centre of every shipment of helmets imported. You should make it a point to visit and inspect the same. I dont understand why two certifications would be needed though, since most foreign brand helmets are sold in either Europe (ECE certification) or North America (DOT certification).

Also note that SOL in lower range will not be fiber glass. For long and serious rides - go for a fiber glass helmet because impacts at highway speeds are severe, a local fiber glass will be much safer than SOL Metal man, which is ultimately thermospastic. Go for a thermoplastic for city rides, for it being lighter.

I would love to be educated as to how you arrived at this, since the standards for the helmets, ECE/DOT/SNELL, do not specify the composition of the helmet. Indeed there are several 5 STAR SHARP rated helmets listed made of Thermoplastic/Polycarbonate. Properly certified fibreglass shells are more expensive to make and that is the reason why manufacturers utilise thermoplastics to contain costs. Again, I would welcome correction if I am wrong.

The best you can get is a Snell approved Carbon fiber, but short of that, you are always making trade offs! So make the right ones and choose the one that fits your needs, not because a Helmet is in fashion!

Unfortunately SNELL approved Carbon Fiber helmets are frightfully expensive and largely unavailable, so one must do what one can.

[hypheni]

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Just to know how do you guys manage with Sun protected Visor (Black) at night. I know most of the people do not use this Visor but still those who use how do you maintain. Do you carry one Clear Visor for Night ?

[Divya Sharan]

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Just to know how do you guys manage with Sun protected Visor (Black) at night. I know most of the people do not use this Visor but still those who use how do you maintain. Do you carry one Clear Visor for Night ?

Either
1. Carry an extra plain visor OR
2. Keep the dark visor flipped up.

[krish2778]

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Then, we Delhities are enjoying.

I am so much jealous right now..!!! I wish there was some way to make things enter the thick skull of these guys..

Just as a lighter note, tell them, I know Oommen Chandy and he's approved this DoT law, you're free to go.



It's purely politics, de-legitimizing or cannibalizing our own standard for an international standard is, what I think is kind of a prestige issue for the Indian Gov. You see ISI is in almost every crap out there, and guess what, it still is approved *crap* at least most of the times. But if you can try sticking ISI stickers or doing an ISI etching on your helmet, then you're set. It may sound crazy, but well, you have no hope.

Cheers!
VJ

Lol...the political scene here is bad enough , and now with this it might be a new level.
Macha..don't give suicidal advices.... :-P :-P

I checked out THH helmets.. the quality indeed is good. But the marketing and sales is not up to mark.

Nobody knows about THH Helmets, there is no website for India to get information (models, price, photos) from.
The dealership network is poor and there is no info Where to get it from.

Get these basics right.

Payeng, actually the dealers here in Kochi are not in favor of Tih, they feel that the product is just not good enough, it has a good finishing , that i have to agree, i was under the impression that it will do good, but the resellers themselves are feeling reluctant to order fresh set even though it is selling quite nicely here.

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

[pcgamer]

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From what I have seen in this thread since a month or so, LS2s have received some bashings. I would like to know if the LS2 helmets are really good or are just plastic buckets(if bought from authorized shops)

[Legend Racer]

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BUDGET- Rs 5000

SIZE- XS or S

TYPE- FULL FACE

KINDLY SUGGEST.