Helmets

[krish2778]

Thinking of Buying Reevu (Rear view) Helmet for about 23.5k
Good option ???
Are there any other helmets I should consider ???

Link: Reevu | Gallery

You have a budget of 20k+ and you have a hell lot of options. Icon,AGV,KBC etc etc , search around in the web.
About the rear view mirror helmet. Are they still available. Somewhere i read due to low demand its not in production.Dont remember where i read that.

P.S: Sunnyside_up , thats wonderful information. I have shared your quote in some other forums and have given courtesy too. I hope you dont mind.

Cheers
Ride Safe
krishna

[Helios]

SNELL rated helmets?

Hello guys, am posting this on my friends behalf who has been searching for a helmet which is SNELL rated. He said he needs it for some SUPRA racing! NUVO helmets are SNELL rated I guess ? What are the other SNELL rated lids available in India ?

[yzfrj]

Need help in buying a helmet.
Max budget around 4-4.5k

I see lot of options, however the rating (or safety certification is not clear)

LS2 seems to have ECE 22.05 and its clearly mentioned on the lid.
SOL seems to be only DOT compliant (can be considered inferior compared to ECE 22.05)

AGV my friend went to a shop today on my behalf and that too does not have anything mentioned on the lid. Nor there is much info on any website (India specific)

Am I missing out something ?
or is my observation flawed ?

Primary role will be as a daily use helmet.

I've used Vega Integra in the past and had to replace after a crash.
The helmet saved me, I can still hear the helmet rubbing against the tarmac, I basically dusted myself off and walked away from the crash.

I have a Steelbird Bieffe now which is showing its age.

[Kunwar.g]

You also get LS2 with both ECE and ISI markings on it. Ranges in ur budget, however availability is low.

I wouldn't go with any lid that does not have a rating or has rating in the form of a removable decale.

[B7ACKTHORN]

You also get LS2 with both ECE and ISI markings on it. Ranges in ur budget, however availability is low.

I wouldn't go with any lid that does not have a rating or has rating in the form of a removable decale.

Not really. There are lots of helmets that just come with sticker as a standard. You can clearly discern from which is fake and which is not. Again, having a sticker doesn't mean it's fake or printed on it doesn't mean it's all genuine.

Need help in buying a helmet.
Max budget around 4-4.5k

I see lot of options, however the rating (or safety certification is not clear)

LS2 seems to have ECE 22.05 and its clearly mentioned on the lid.
SOL seems to be only DOT compliant (can be considered inferior compared to ECE 22.05)

AGV my friend went to a shop today on my behalf and that too does not have anything mentioned on the lid. Nor there is much info on any website (India specific)

Am I missing out something ?
or is my observation flawed ?

Primary role will be as a daily use helmet.

I've used Vega Integra in the past and had to replace after a crash.
The helmet saved me, I can still hear the helmet rubbing against the tarmac, I basically dusted myself off and walked away from the crash.

I have a Steelbird Bieffe now which is showing its age.

Both SNELL and DOT helmets are US standards and ECE is of European, but more or less both are the same that are used in race worldwide. It's just that the stickers are based upon each country and their testing procedures.

AGV India doesn't need to comply to those standards, as they are not necessarily needed. All you have is ISI which is good for our speeds and our price conscious customers, that doesn't mean it's cheap and stuff. In a crash you can expect it save your head. One of my friend has a Steelbird Bieffe, just a full solid plastic helmet, and really did its purpose well.

If you want better protection, both SNELL and DOT and ECE are all the same as I mentioned earlier.

Go for SOL these days, it's getting rave reviews and pretty good VFM helmet.

Hello guys, am posting this on my friends behalf who has been searching for a helmet which is SNELL rated. He said he needs it for some SUPRA racing! NUVO helmets are SNELL rated I guess ? What are the other SNELL rated lids available in India ?

KBC, HJC and Arai are all SNELL rated, and you can get them in Performance Racing Store in Mumbai or you can source then from online retailers in US.

Cheers!
VJ

[kidpikoon]

Production had stopped some 3-4 years ago...
But this one has been released just now, they have developed it to a better rear view now...

[yzfrj]

Both SNELL and DOT helmets are US standards and ECE is of European, but more or less both are the same that are used in race worldwide. It's just that the stickers are based upon each country and their testing procedures.

I do not agree.
My knowledge on the subject is based on stuff I read.

ECE 22.05 in most cases are better than DOT.
Snell is arguably the best.

AGV India doesn't need to comply to those standards, as they are not necessarily needed. All you have is ISI which is good for our speeds and our price conscious customers, that doesn't mean it's cheap and stuff.

Thank you. I did not know that.

A quick version

DOTHURT ReportSnellECE R22-05

Source -> Snell vs DOT vs ECE R22-05 – Helmet Standards Throwdown | Silodrome


I do agree to some extend that most good helmets (ISI, DOT or whatever)
Will give enough protection.
My intention is not to start an argument but to find a helmet that is most 'bang for the buck'

Or in simpler terms the best protection for the given amount of money.

SOL again agreed have some good reviews out there.
They do seem to be a tad heavy based on reviews.
Look and feel is pretty good.

[Eshan-P180]

BTW any idea about SOL having a Pune dealership?

Screw you all in regards the protection from accident, DOT, SNELL, ISI is all crap in front of this certification - Rajnikant's helmet, no competition at all.

[B7ACKTHORN]

I do not agree.
My knowledge on the subject is based on stuff I read.

ECE 22.05 in most cases are better than DOT.
Snell is arguably the best.

Let me make it a bit more clear bud. Not all you read is precise. All DOT, ECE, SNELL approved helmets are used in the pinnacle of racing, it's just that some are a little stricter than the others, but that doesn't mean they are a compromise on safety.

ECE helmets are mostly used in European countries rather than in West, reason being they have a certain set of standards which each country sets regarding it's helmet procedures.

So whatever be the case, there is nothing called inferior or superior when it comes to these standards. Each are unique and have a set standard to which they adhere to. And you can see every helmet in MotoGP, be it DOT, SNELL or ECE. So..

Cheers!
VJ

[B7ACKTHORN]

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Screw you all in regards the protection from accident, DOT, SNELL, ISI is all crap in front of this certification - Rajnikant's helmet, no competition at all.

Eshan, that one cracked me up. BTW does Rajnikanth wear a helmet, isn't his head suppose to be a helmet itself

Cheers!
VJ

[Eshan-P180]

Eshan, that one cracked me up. BTW does Rajnikanth wear a helmet, isn't his head suppose to be a helmet itself

Cheers!
VJ

Dafaaq, facepalm , i forgot he has carbon fiber inserts in his skull...

Does SOL plan to come to Pune too?? any information on this, anyone?

[yzfrj]

Let me make it a bit more clear bud. Not all you read is precise. All DOT, ECE, SNELL approved helmets are used in the pinnacle of racing, it's just that some are a little stricter than the others, but that doesn't mean they are a compromise on safety.

Its all just a sticker ?
Quiet laughable.
Dude on fake stuff its just a sticker, on genuine stuff its an assured mark that it does what it says.

So whatever be the case, there is nothing called inferior or superior when it comes to these standards

There is.
I'd suggest you read the test procedure for each of these standards.

DOT is basically certified by the manufacturer itself.
Any minor changed to that model does't warrant a re-test.

ECE is usually done by an independent authority.
This is most widely recognized as the most up-to-date standard.
This has significantly more tests that even ensures that minimal force is transmitted to the user. Also any change in the design needs it to be tested again.

ISI again is just a mark or quality and compared to both DOT and ECE is pretty out dated.

Snell has the most stringent tests.

As I stated earlier this is not an ego contest.
You are free to believe as you wish.
However just read as I suggested and maybe you will agree with what I said.

Peace.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Dafaaq, facepalm , i forgot he has carbon fiber inserts in his skull...

Does SOL plan to come to Pune too?? any information on this, anyone?

Carbon fiber inserts? ROFL! You can always shoot a mail at [email protected]

Cheers!
VJ

[Sunnyside_up!]

Its all just a sticker ?
Quiet laughable.
Dude on fake stuff its just a sticker, on genuine stuff its an assured mark that it does what it says.

There is.
I'd suggest you read the test procedure for each of these standards.

DOT is basically certified by the manufacturer itself.
Any minor changed to that model does't warrant a re-test.

ECE is usually done by an independent authority.
This is most widely recognized as the most up-to-date standard.
This has significantly more tests that even ensures that minimal force is transmitted to the user. Also any change in the design needs it to be tested again.

ISI again is just a mark or quality and compared to both DOT and ECE is pretty out dated.

Snell has the most stringent tests.

As I stated earlier this is not an ego contest.
You are free to believe as you wish.
However just read as I suggested and maybe you will agree with what I said.

Peace.

Just thought I'd chip in with my two paise....

Most manufacturers certify their own helmets. The primary difference is in the way the testing is done. DOT helmets are tested at random after manufacture while ECE helmets are batch tested. Also, the ECE standard has certain provisos for chin-bar reinforcements, which is not mandated by DOT. Genuine ECE/DOT helmets have to undergo stringent penetration tests which will result in a thicker shell and therefore a certain weigh class. It is safe to say that genuine certified helmets will average between 1400 - 1800 gms for a full face helmet, unless made of special lightweight materials like carbon-fibre. Old timers will simply lift a helmet to tell you if it's genuine certified or not.

Another interesting thing for consumers is that DOT mandates certification which is integrated into the body of the helmet by lamination into the shell, while the ECE certification is allowed by the Kite Mark sticker and/or lamination. This makes it easier for the consumer to spot a fake, since genuine DOT helmets are manufactured off production lines dedicated for the certification process and the certification is laminated within the shell. Stickers at the end of the day are easily duplicated/printed. Hence if you see a helmet with a DOT sticker, rest assured its a fake!

SNELL ratings require a heavier shell for more impact resistance but many controversies surround the private testing nature of the SNELL Foundation and also the resulting heavy weight of a SNELL rated helmet.

Coming to the Indian market, since certification is not mandatory or monitored by the authorities, fakes abound. My earnest advice is that whatever brand you decide to buy, source only from the authorised distributor or dealer. Also beware of "sale offers" and the like because if it sounds too good to be true, it normally is !! You can identify the authorised distributor of any brand from the international website of the helmet brand you want and approach them or their listed dealers directly. Being armed with more information makes you less susceptible to being cheated!

[yzfrj]

It is safe to say that genuine certified helmets will average between 1400 - 1800 gms for a full face helmet,

Another interesting thing for consumers is that DOT mandates certification which is integrated into the body of the helmet by lamination into the shell, while the ECE certification is allowed by the Kite Mark sticker and/or lamination.

This makes it easier for the consumer to spot a fake, since genuine DOT helmets are manufactured off production lines dedicated for the certification process and the certification is laminated within the shell.

Stickers at the end of the day are easily duplicated/printed. Hence if you see a helmet with a DOT sticker, rest assured its a fake!

Thanks a lot.
Truly valuable info.

Yes agreed buy from only reputed dealers.