Helmets

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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This is regarding mt kre sv helmet.In spite of this being offered as a premium product of the company ,the helmet is not sharp tested (yet).The catalogue in Mt website shows the fastening as micrometric while the ones available in India has d-ring.the colour schemes seems to vary too.anyone has any long term review,or clarity on these aspects?

SHARP testing is not something necessary. Skip that part, that is only a region specific test that can also be easily cheated.
About micrometric and double D ring closures, MT helmets sold in India have double D ring closure since we as Indians are much obsessed by double D ring closure even on a basic polycarbonate shell. These are made in China, I can not trace where the others are made.

They are all genuine MT helmets, the ones sold in Indian market lack quality, fit and finish.

I would highly recommend LS2 ff323, HJC CL17 and ScorpionEXO 390/420 in that price range.

Also the accessories and spares of MT are quite costly.

[Thamps]

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About micrometric and double D ring closures, MT helmets sold in India have double D ring closure since we as Indians are much obsessed by double D ring closure even on a basic polycarbonate shell. These are made in China, I can not trace where the others are made.

They are all genuine MT helmets, the ones sold in Indian market lack quality, fit and finish.
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This difference in quality is bugging.i remember reading about manufacturing of different shells for different markets in some other thread.just wanted some clarity.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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This difference in quality is bugging.i remember reading about manufacturing of different shells for different markets in some other thread.just wanted some clarity.

I am myself looking for a helmet under 8-9k and didn't even consider MT for the same quality reasons. None of my friends are happy with MT.

[Thamps]

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I am myself looking for a helmet under 8-9k and didn't even consider MT for the same quality reasons. None of my friends are happy with MT.

The quality can be forgiven if it's for padding and stuff..but regarding safety... separate manufacturing of shells for different countries..it's different.cant comment if there is some logistics angle or so.why this difference when the certifications remains same for all countries.

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

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I recently got Mt atom and got it after a lot of research and must say that it's quality is really very nice. Though I can review it after using it properly.
BTW it's polycarbonate shell and no DD rings.

I am myself looking for a helmet under 8-9k and didn't even consider MT for the same quality reasons. None of my friends are happy with MT.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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I recently got Mt atom and got it after a lot of research and must say that it's quality is really very nice. Though I can review it after using it properly.
BTW it's polycarbonate shell

MT atom, I didn't like the liners. They are not at par with helmets from LS2. But then, not many choices in modular helmets.
I am looking for ECE certification and a fiberglass shell or even a polycarbonate in variable shell sizes. (MT shies in providing different shell sizes to Indian market, really a shame)

The quality can be forgiven if it's for padding and stuff..but regarding safety... separate manufacturing of shells for different countries..it's different.cant comment if there is some logistics angle or so.why this difference when the certifications remains same for all countries.

Exactly what I pointed out. You are right.

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

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MT atom, I didn't like the liners. They are not at par with helmets from LS2. But then, not many choices in modular helmets.
I am looking for ECE certification and a fiberglass shell or even a polycarbonate in variable shell sizes. (MT shies in providing shell sizes)

Ls2 is way too inferior, I was eying for ls2 ff324 which sell for 8.5 in India and 13 in US. After looking at the quality of things they are using in Indian helmets I moved to MT (after thorough research of quality obviously ). Ls2 don't even have ece ratings printed (they just got a sticker which I can remove and put on my studds[emoji12]) and no DOT certification. I saw scorpion as well, at North of 12 grands it was little out of budget, smk was piece of crap.
Finally came back to MT atom, polycarbonate shell, medium size easily available, it's tight fit to me and I like that.
It's got dot and ece both and they are printed. Modular mechanism is really very nice.
Soon I'll upload full review video of this helmet on my channel with unbiased feedback.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Ls2 is way too inferior, I was eying for ls2 ff324 which sell for 8.5 in India and 13 in US. After looking at the quality of things they are using in Indian helmets I moved to MT (after thorough research of quality obviously ). Ls2 don't even have ece ratings printed (they just got a sticker which I can remove and put on my studds[emoji12]) and no DOT certification. I saw scorpion as well, at North of 12 grands it was little out of budget, smk was piece of crap.
Finally came back to MT atom, polycarbonate shell, medium size easily available, it's tight fit to me and I like that.
It's got dot and ece both and they are printed. Modular mechanism is really very nice.
Soon I'll upload full review video of this helmet on my channel with unbiased feedback.

I would say you never did a thorough research then sir.

ECE doesn't need to be printed, firstly. I do not need it printed at all, a sticker is better infact. It should come with the standard ECE print booklet.
Secondly DOT is a honorary and a very inferior standard, I don't even want DOT written on my helmet ! It is that inferior.

Keeping LS2 at side for no DOT ? I would call this a half baked research honestly.

Atom is a good helmet though, but nothing close to LS2 quality.

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

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I would say you never did a thorough research then sir.

ECE doesn't need to be printed, firstly. I do not need it printed at all, a sticker is better infact. It should come with the standard ECE print booklet.
Secondly DOT is a honorary and a very inferior standard, I don't even want DOT written on my helmet ! It is that inferior.

Keeping LS2 at side for no DOT ? I would call this a half baked research honestly.

Atom is a good helmet though, but nothing close to LS2 quality.

[emoji1374]
In that case there is no point me giving any opinion [emoji16]

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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[emoji1374]
In that case there is no point me giving any opinion [emoji16]

True sir. DOT is a standard no one with any research would want to look at. Thanks for the help though.

[a_shirke8]

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Moving on from Polycarbonate shells. Any recommendations for fibreglass?

I just want to try on the fibreglass tech. Wont probably buy it for regular use but would sure like to know the differences, advantages and disadvantages over omnipresent polycarb shells.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Moving on from Polycarbonate shells. Any recommendations for fibreglass?

I just want to try on the fibreglass tech. Wont probably buy it for regular use but would sure like to know the differences, advantages and disadvantages over omnipresent polycarb shells.

Polycarbonate shells do not dissipate forces completely and so tend to tear apart with a single or two cracks on impact.
Fiberglass shells spread the forces and get multiple cracks on impact, spreading the forces completely.

The disadvantage is that fiberglass shells are costlier to manufacture.

For fiberglass under 10k, there is an option from Zeus which is not available currently, LS2 ff323 is available but in simple graphics, graphics ones cost way above. Hope it helps.

The second thing to look at is EPS, a multiple density EPS is better, hard EPS for harsh impacts and the softer one for slow speed or lighter impacts.
A single density EPS is mostly used for cost cutting measures.

Now bringing this again to LS2 ff324 and MT atom, LS2 gets a multiple density EPS while MT gets a single one as per SPG.
Both helmets are made from Polycarbonate (forget the word wizardry on their sites, it's polycarbonate)

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Can i know the motivation behind presenting such a blanket statement? What's wrong with going for extra protection? Did you ever see a relatively low speed accident that a polycarb shell would have been sufficient for but the rider sustained brain injuries and passed away as a result of the ratchet lock buckling and coming off? If no then please don't make such statements.

I agree it was wrongly interpreted, what I meant to say is, ECE has standards set even for the micrometric buckle closure system.
Brands selling helmets - They have micrometric buckles with variable shell sizes, variable EPS, better build quality than Indian market specific helmets.

What do we as motorcyclists here in India get ? A double D ring which is not as important as features mentioned above.

Though I highly agree that it is better than a micrometric closure, but I would still pick shell size, EPS density and other gradients above the double D ring, if given a choice.

Also, if you have any data or proof that ratchet buckles come off in the event of a crash, I would be happy to see that data. They are standard set by ECE and are totally safe.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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I was not talking about the data(nor do i have any data) on how much force would a well designed micrometric ratchet like the heavy duty one in LS2 FF 397 will take. What i said was what's wrong with having D ring. It has no moving parts(to grow old and fail) and by design will be become tighter the harder it is tried to pry open. The blanket statement was regarding the Indian statement.

I never said it's wrong in having a double D ring, what I wanted to say was that manufacturers are shying on other aspects of the helmet since most Indian customers do not have a very high knowledge and just go for the one with a double D ring closure instead of the one with an overall better specifications score.

[black asp]

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I never said it's wrong in having a double D ring, what I wanted to say was that manufacturers are shying on other aspects of the helmet since most Indian customers do not have a very high knowledge and just go for the one with a double D ring closure instead of the one with an overall better specifications score.

Got your point but that post came out as something different.

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