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**Shankar(a)Bala** · 09-25-2010, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

it IS, bro... may i know what made u to have a doubt in that? and i would like to know about the bike u feel have better handling than RTR (xcept R15)

Is it??

I thought it is not, as the TVS tyres are the worst in the market now...

I thought P220, Fazer would be good in cornering (MRF ZAPPER in P220)

Is RTR really good in cornering?? I searched for a video of "RTR cornering"

But I wasn't able to find a single video of that kind

**Garry_Menace** · 09-25-2010, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Shankar(a)Bala View Post

Is it??

I thought it is not, as the TVS tyres are the worst in the market now...

I thought P220, Fazer would be good in cornering (MRF ZAPPER in P220)

Is RTR really good in cornering?? I searched for a video of "RTR cornering"

But I wasn't able to find a single video of that kind

haha... yeah it really is... not saying because i m an Apacheian but it is true.. u can go n ask any of the unbiased bike enthusiast (who knows enough). and as far as P220 is concerned, its not that good because of the bigger wheel base in think... and about the bad TVS tyres, they are bad as they don't stick to the tarmac (specially wet or when u apply sudden discs).

and AFAIK, the cornering ability doesn't depend much on the tyres (obviously they shouldn't TOO bad) rather it depends MORE on the rake angle, chassis design, handlebars etc. (someone correct me if i am wrong).

**sheelpriye** · 09-25-2010, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

haha... yeah it really is... not saying because i m an Apacheian but it is true.. u can go n ask any of the unbiased bike enthusiast (who knows enough). and as far as P220 is concerned, its not that good because of the bigger wheel base in think... and about the bad TVS tyres, they are bad as they don't stick to the tarmac (specially wet or when u apply sudden discs).

and AFAIK, the cornering ability doesn't depend much on the tyres (obviously they shouldn't TOO bad) rather it depends MORE on the rake angle, chassis design, handlebars etc. (someone correct me if i am wrong).

(I am no Joel

)
Praful who has ridden a P-220 FI for more than 50K, was immediately faster on a Apache(dunno which) on a track, by a whooping 4 seconds. 4 seconds...(count it to know and if you follow Motor-racing, you know it well)

Pulsars are usually front-heavy and the pointers given by Garry contribute in it. It is a great Motorcycle for our everyday usage and is very stable on a highway/cross winds etc, but on your favorite set of twisties, well something else.
^^Next iteration of Pulsars should be fun if P-135 is anything to go by.

Originally posted by shankar

Is RTR really good in cornering??

Yes, its a good (cornering) Motorcycle, with very good dynamics and braking.

**onlinesatish** · 09-25-2010, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by Shankar(a)Bala View Post

Is it??

I thought it is not, as the TVS tyres are the worst in the market now...

I thought P220, Fazer would be good in cornering (MRF ZAPPER in P220)

Is RTR really good in cornering?? I searched for a video of "RTR cornering"

But I wasn't able to find a single video of that kind

Hope this helps

This was before 2 years on stock TVS tyres....and i was a complete amateur then(i am still)

**Garry_Menace** · 09-25-2010, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post

Hope this helps

This was before 2 years on stock TVS tyres....and i was a complete amateur then(i am still)

liked the pics

**Satyamzma** · 09-25-2010, 10:43 AM

ow this picture is forcing me to go for Apache 180

**Shankar(a)Bala** · 09-25-2010, 11:43 AM

@ onlinesatish

Wow!!! Those pics bring confidence...! Only doubt, I had abt RTR is solved now..

(OT) : Guys I took my bike (star city) to the SVC yesterday, for some issues (noise) with the chain... SVC guy said, I need to change the chain... He also told me that some 2 valves in the engine need to be changed soon... And I have to change battery (which I myself know

)
I asked him if I can change them under warranty...

But he said, battery n chain won't be changed under warranty... is that true???

**sheelpriye** · 09-25-2010, 06:23 PM

A guy by the name of Hotshot Vipin wanted to know how is Joel's bike faster, he sent me a VM and I replied him back saying lets discuss this on the thread.

Joel's prepped for race R15 does 1:58.516, whereas in the hands of Dilip Roger(google his name) a CBR 1000RR managed 2:00 and a GSX-R 1000 did 1:59, I agree Dilip might be showboating and going slow, but then he is Dilip, he can't go too slow too long especially when someone know as Narain Kartikeyan was sharing track space in a Lambo and GT-R.
For Dilip's timings pick up ACI's Sep '10 issue and for Joel's, well, contact him

1000RR and GSX-R were full stock Motorcycles with even their RVM's staying put, on street tires.(my guess, as nothing was mentioned about tires though)

**111diablo111** · 09-26-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

Our very own Joel's bike(R15, modded) is lapping MMRT faster than a 1000cc Motorcycle, let me know if you want a proof

that doesn't make an R15 better then a 1000CC bike..

**madhav krishna** · 09-26-2010, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Shankar(a)Bala View Post

(OT) : Guys I took my bike (star city) to the SVC yesterday, for some issues (noise) with the chain... SVC guy said, I need to change the chain... He also told me that some 2 valves in the engine need to be changed soon... And I have to change battery (which I myself know

)
I asked him if I can change them under warranty...

But he said, battery n chain won't be changed under warranty... is that true???

Yes it is true. In any warranty only the engine part is covered & anything related to it would be changed. The chain & battery life depends on your usage & hence you have to pay for it.

**sheelpriye** · 09-27-2010, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

that doesn't make an R15 better then a 1000CC bike..

Are you really serious about your comment?

Did i even say it? And do you think I was pointing out that-- Hey R15 is better than 1000cc, LOL, it can't be even compared to a 250R.

But a R15 can smoke the pants of a ZMR any day any time. so CC doesn't rule the game. Amply highlighted by the video I posted.

^^The last para is biased and intended.

**111diablo111** · 09-27-2010, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

Are you really serious about your comment?

Did i even say it? And do you think I was pointing out that-- Hey R15 is better than 1000cc, LOL, it can't be even compared to a 250R.

But a R15 can smoke the pants of a ZMR any day any time. so CC doesn't rule the game. Amply highlighted by the video I posted.

^^The last para is biased and intended.

now from where does a ZMR comes into picture?? its not even made to compete these bikes on tracks, its a sport touring machine & in that purpose its very much ahead then an R15..R15 doesn't have torque to compete against a ZMA/ZMR engine, that's where an engine with high displacement comes handy..karizma/P220/A180 all these bikes with higher displacement can beat R15 in acceleration but why are we even comparing these bikes when they are made for different purposes..to me its just like comparing a harley davidson with R1 or busa..Karizma doesn't have a stressed out engine, instead its engine is very relaxed which doesn't need any comparison from bikes which are just made to squeeze out every bit of power from its engine..

no offense to any bike..

**sheelpriye** · 09-27-2010, 12:26 AM

Are you really serious about your comment?

I thought I will get a reply on this.

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

now from where does a ZMR comes into picture?? its not even made to compete these bikes on tracks, its a sport touring machine & in that purpose its very much ahead then an R15..R15 doesn't have torque to compete against a ZMA/ZMR engine, that's where an engine with high displacement comes handy..karizma/P220/A180 all these bikes with higher displacement can beat R15 in acceleration but why are we even comparing these bikes when they are made for different purposes..to me its just like comparing a harley davidson with R1 or busa..Karizma doesn't have a stressed out engine, instead its engine is very relaxed which doesn't need any comparison from bikes which are just made to squeeze out every bit of power from its engine..

It does,(Did you watch the video) a 1300cc engine was beaten nice and proper by a 1000cc

Originally posted by 111diablo

remember one thing "There is NO replacement for displacement

I have ridden a Karizma enough and someone who has done some 2L kms and has done BB & SS says that post 6000rpm(which translates to speeds below 100kmph) it is in its best behavior, post which it gets stressed ably reflected in its FE post 6000rpm in 5th gear.
and a Karizma can beat a R15 in acceleration?(ROFL) now from where did this come?
And at 7000rpm @ 100kmph, the 15 is waking up.

and you are putting the Hayabusa and R1 on the same platform

^^Make your reply quick, xbhp will go off-line post 12, so c ya whenever its on-line

**111diablo111** · 09-27-2010, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

I thought I will get a reply on this.
It does,(Did you watch the video) a 1300cc engine was beaten nice and proper by a 1000cc

??

a bike has other aspects as well rather then just beating other bikes while speeding

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

I have ridden a Karizma enough and someone who has done some 2L kms and has done BB & SS says that post 6000rpm(which translates to speeds below 100kmph) it is in its best behavior, post which it gets stressed ably reflected in its FE post 6000rpm in 5th gear.
and a Karizma can beat a R15 in acceleration?(ROFL) now from where did this come?
And at 7000rpm @ 100kmph, the 15 is waking up.

R15 is slower in lower range, we all know that its a rocket after 6k-7k rpm what i meant was in lower range..cuz most of the time in city we hover around these below mentioned speeds
"The only downside I see here is the lack of low end punch. This is reflected in the roll-on timings too with the bike(R15) being the slowest(among ZMR,A180,P220 & R15) in the 30-70km/h run in the third and fourth cogs."

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Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

and you are putting the Hayabusa and R1 on the same platform

duhh..read my post again, i said its as weird as comparing harley with an R1 OR busa..that means comparing harley with R1 or harley with busa separately

**sheelpriye** · 09-27-2010, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

"The only downside I see here is the lack of low end punch. This is reflected in the roll-on timings too with the bike(R15) being the slowest(among ZMR,A180,P220 & R15) in the 30-70km/h run in the third and fourth cogs."

Source - Who dares wins

We have gear box to get the better of it.

Roll-ons are for guys who are too lazy to shift and want to see which bike can do 30-70kmph in 3rd(?) gear?

Why would you do that? Snick into 2nd and take-off.

The same BI awarded R15 as the best performance Motorcycle in the article posted by you.

In all other aspects(cornering/braking) a S1000RR can beat a 'busa hollow, well, so can the R15.

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