Apache might be faster in the 0-60 race. But Pulsar beats the S-H!-t out of all other bikes when it comes to pure sales....

the p150 UG4.5 does...

Buddy if u ask me i would ask you to go with a cb unicorn or gladiator both of them are quite good unicorn has a awesome bulletproof engine which is very good in the city out of city and also good for long drives, as of the gladiator is also good but it lacks the power as its a 125cc engine. i wont recommend to go with the pulsars or apache as their reliability factor is very low in comparison to the honda or a yammie.

thats true...but i guess he is considering even more factors other than just reliability...

he may have a few more considerations but he actually at last spelled reliability, low maintenance and good fuel efficiency. the pulsar or the apache are good but what about the bike after a year or so, they won't stand up but take a look at any Honda or a Yamaha they will stay good for quite a long time.

What about it after a year?? if you maintain the bike well.. anything will last for years.. don't we see first generation Pulsars running around in good condition even now.. I see one in my office parking lot.. in perfect condition. This after one year or two years talk is just talk.. nothing more than that. If what you said is true.. then how come Pulsar is outselling all the so-called reliable models for so many years now??

firstly if you do have a first generation pulsar in good condition then the owner must have definately redone the whole thing cause i have seen atleast 10 pulsars in my locality(DTSI versions) belonging to grown-a** men who know how to maintain bikes which are in disastrous conditions to say the least...

secondly the sole reason that bajaj is selling so much is because at that price range there is no other bike that's offering so much power, tech, etc.. it's a transition bike for most enthusiasts prior to bigger bikes. everyone buying a pulsar knows that it's gonna be trash in a few years, just that they either don't have any option or they don't care....
u can compare it to buying a chinese phone, everyone knows it'll go kaput in a couple of years but for ppl who can't afford a nokia, it's their best bet....

what u said is absolutely correct, if u maintain the bike well i t will stay well, but at what cost and what period, how many boxers or how many fieros do u see on road now a days in comparison to their out burst sales, but u will find a yamaha's screaming till date with the same charm, u will find the good old old hero honda cd 100 doing the duty, but can u find a kawasaki 100, boxer old apaches, their life is limited, but as time goes by the quality is also improving and they need to improve higher in order to be called as International. and one more thing the spares do u think its easy to get the spares of first model pulsar, i don't think so it may be easily available in cities but not in towns or villages they keep spares of the present models and a few regular items of old models.

i am not a big fan of honda or yamaha all i said was what i felt thats it.

thank you

Your post sums up your ignorance.. if anybody knows how to maintain a bike.. then it can't go to disastrous condition in the first place..look around you can even see LML adrino's in good condition. If a bike can be maintained even after it is out of production for almost 10 years.. what's the difficulty in maintaining a bike that's in production? I think, you are talking a lot without any first hand experience.. myself.. i'm using P135LS for about 8 months now, without any problems what so ever.. so you think it's going to become trash after 4 months!! get real..

People don't have options?? I think you need to get your facts right first!! do you know when the Unicorn was launched, the power it was producing was same as Pulsar.. later on CBZ extreme, Apache.. were producing more power.. even now Apache produces more power .. at more or less the same cost. Comparing Pulsar with a chinese phone speaks of your knowledge about Pulsar & it's competition as well..Pulsar is not available at half the price of it's competition, wake up!!.. there are scores of people who are maintaining their pulsars in excellent condition.. you probably don't want to see them. If you like the analogy is more like what happened to Nokia in smart phones.. People are not stupid to buy an unreliable bike spending 70k.

Buddy.. how many of the Yamaha's are in stock condition.. 99.9% of them are redone.. i'm sure about that. talking about Fiero's.. in Bangalore I see quite a good number of them still doing rounds.. yes.. CD100's are still around.. but it's not Honda's first attempt at bikes.. on the contrary Bajaj's first attempt was Pulsar150/Pulsar180.. look what they have done in 10 years.. competition is trying hard to find answers to Pulsar.. with all their refinement , reliability and technology.

Guys

This looks like the discussion is going away from the topic, every bike has its pros and cons, we need to know what our requirement and based on that we need to choose our bikes.

Indian Bike Steed
Power / Speed / Service - Karizma / Pulsar / Apache / R15 / Fazer
Commuting / Looks / Reliability - Too many options (Unicorn / Gladiator / CBZ / Pulsar 135 / Suzuki 150 etc
Low Maintanence / Mileage / Only Commuting from A2B - Again too many options (Discover / Splendor / Passion / TVS Star etc
Touring - Royal Enfield / Avenger / Karizma / Pulsar / R15 etc

I know that my post can ignite an very old war but still am posting it.

True in most cases. Well AFAIK & even if you ask the local mechanics they would say that the older pulsars were far more reliable than the present ones. Especially those in middle generation (the one with analog console & Gas charged shocks) The important factor here is pricing, features & power. Moreover it delivers a lot better than FE than the competition. (bajaj rules when it comes to FE). Also The spares are dead cheap but although their quality is not as good as others & do not last too long.
Any person would like to own a bike which has cheaper initial investment. Even i would go for a pulsar because its price is relatively low & has better power output (example is R15 vs pulsar220). But if the price is not low when compared with competition then i would see the reliability as the importance.
And as Mr. Rajiv bajaj has said "I don't think motorcycles that succeed are (necessarily) better products, they are perceived as better products,”

Well in most of the cases the word of mouth does the job. The majority of persons being a bajaj owner would recommend the same for others also. The same condition applies for HH also.

Arent the 2 lines similar??

You are spot-on with word of mouth, mileage points buddy.. they are strongest points for Pulsar or for any bike for that matter.. I don't think it's exactly cheap, comparsion of prices shows only FZ/Dazzler selling at significant premium to Pulsar, I mean a person spending more than 70k wouldn't hesitate to spend another 500 or 1000 if he thinks that alternative is better, but if it's 5-6k more, then he will not go for alternative.. So, I don't think initial investment is low.. but yeah.. maintenance is damn cheap for a Bajaj product.

I told you that the bajaj is jack of everything. But just reliability is bit of question in my mind. I have seen a lot of cases where the bajaj bikes have got a lot of problems & have even seen that the company has declined to give any warranty on it. A similar case was with my colleague's platina.(i dont know the exact problem but it was something like this) It had got a crankshaft with a wrong angle & the bajaj engineer declined to take it into account of warranty. Its after my colleague told him that he was studying automobile engineer (obviously it was a lie) the bajaj guy accepted to give warranty.

Although i had NEVER seen a middle generation pulsar with any problem. But i have seen a lot of new gen pulsars with problem. I was initially going to take an XCD-135 but a lot of mechanics & a few bajaj owners had scared me off by telling me the problems about it.

But what makes me think again about the pulsar reliability is that the newest pulsars (the one running now) are not at all reported to have any problem. And the pricing matters in the sales of p220. Since it has got better output & its damn cheaper. As i have stated i would also like to own a bajaj p220 due to its high VFM.

& yeah the fz/dazzler are relatively new to the pulsar & it would take time for them to get common but they donot offer the bang for your money which is offered by pulsar. The pulsar sales at nearly 5k less than that of fz/dazzler inspite of having a better power output. And most of the guys see "kitna tak jayegi"(i.e. top speed). The p150 is having a price tag of 68k while the dazzler retails at 75k in bangalore.

i firmly believe all that depends on how the owner maintains his bike !