Bike Query Approved

Hi Jagadeesh, Welcome to XBhp. You've narrowed in on two good bikes. Going by your requirements I think RTR suits your bill but you'll get the same in a P220 at less vibrations ! RTR is more agressive, nimbler so if you are talking about just city rides then RTR is the bike (Of Course you can also tour). If you want to tour often along with city rides go for the P220. Good luck !

Go for Apache 180 Abs Model.....its more safe then P220 when riding at high speeds...

get the RTR180. Get ABS, be safe

dude go for RTR both are almost same in speed's but RTR is far more better than p220 in terms of cornering and brakeing and with ABS it's still more better

Well,if you want latest technology,mileage then go for RTR.
If only raw power satisfies your hunger then Pee220

If I were you, RTR hands down, eyes closed..

Well , on the highway , the 220 will make you smile everytime you overtake ..
There is no big difference in acceleration of stock rtr180 , p220 and r15 till about 60kmph so if youre a city rider , the apache will do the job and its a lot smaller so its easier to flick around and zip.
But the added 40 cc of the 220 shows when you make high speed overtakes ( as in , 90 - 130kmph ) is simply awesome.
If you can live with the 220's bulk and not soo easy handling , then you can consider it .. And the refinement may not be excellent , but the engine is really smooth once you finish about 5k kms and pour in ss oil ..
Its a joy to ride and eve better to cruise at 3 digit speeds

i am in exactly the same dilemma..!
i am gonna choose the ABS
because i need a bit of everything(mileage,performance,pickup)
but i heard that 220 does not give a good mileage !
what about the apache's mileage in city if ridden sanely?

Depends on what you want. If you want a high mileage bike , then a 150cc commuter is for you.

My engine has taken quite a while to set in and for my riding style , i get 38 on the highways and arund 34-35 in the city .. So For the kind of performance the 220 is capable of belting out , its not bad. But thats just my perspective.
The rtr 180 is a great bike and the abs definitely lends it an edge !
It boils down to this :

a really good , fast , comfortable and stable tourer - 220.
Not to mention that its lightning fast in a straight line !!
and i will not take any BS about reliability. The engine of the 220 , the gear box and all the main components are really reliable. Small niggles like fairing vibes and random crap like that dont make the bike "unreliable". Thre is a way around each and every small "problem" that the 220 has. But yes , there are small niggles , its the 220 way of life
Touring is a joy. The weight contributes to ROCK SOLID stability at high speeds. The headlight setup is just too amazing if focussed properly.

a light , quick city bike - rtr 180
fast , 0-60 it can surely keep up with the 220.
Light to handle, better chassis and hence better handling during zig zag maneuvers through traffic.
180 cc , fi so obviously you can expect around 45 kmpl.
A really good looking bike - aggressive stance but it could be a little bigger looking.

Last but the most important bit - Go with your heart. Only if you LOVE your bike , will you be able to use it to its potential. At the end of the day , its the rider , not the ride.

obviously RTR 180 will give better millage then p220

RTR a really goood bike plus with joel anna's performance goodies also.... you can later always upgrade for more performance... my only concern is with the after sales service... check it out first in your area and then take a call

cheers

I have a general question which would probably be better asked in the P220 forum...but since I was going through this whole thread, I'm asking it here:

Is the P220 available without the front fairing which (reportedly) rattles and vibrates at certain speeds (read natural frequency of vibration) ?

If the answer to the above question is yes, I would personally like to go with the P220 owing to the bigger engine which would be certainly a big plus when on the highways. The RTR 180 ABS must be a wonderful machine to ride no doubt, but I believe that the P220 would be more pleasurable to ride on the highways..it depends on what usage you are gonna put the bike to.

Wonderful post!!

Couldnt have penned it down better.