He didnt ask for a comparison between Zma and Fazer. Please dont make this more complicated for him

Nice discussion, reminds me when one of friends went crazy about ZMA but due to reluctance of ex Hero Honda to even offer a test ride, had to settle for a Fazer.

Well, my friend, you need to know for what purpose you need the bike for.
ZMA undoubtedly is better for touring and P220 is well the fastest Indian.

As one of the guys put in, with some decent mods <except the rear disc> you can very well match the power of P220, though not beat it. :P

i'll say, just get a ride of both of them and decide.

P.S - and yes it is not outdated.

Again a biased comment. Why do people do that!!! "you can very well match the power of P220, though not beat it. :P" that totally depends on what mods you've done; it is not like that it is impossible for a ZMA to beat a P220 with any set of mods
Disappointed!
Further, a buddy who is confused about what bike to buy would be more confused after viewing comments here! He hasn't even bought the bike, and people started giving ideas about mods, and with comments like Mr. Gentleman did, he must have went for the P220 directly without any second thoughts.
God bless. Hope you do a wise choice (that satisfies you) at the end!

I see that coming from a die hard ZMA fan. .

About who beats who, both machines are good enough, it as always depends on the rider. <just a casual line that was, don't get offended mate>

I have no personal hatred against ZMA neither am a P220 lover.

I just listed out because if he has some concerns that ZMA won't do good as P220 as could observe in the thread.
and the mods listed are very common these days, not the upgrading one, but just tweaking the engine <which a P220 guy would also do> , if you want to extract most out of your bike and of course also depends on one's riding style if he requires them or not.

What i wanted to highlight is for what purpose he would be using the bike.
Once he lists that out and have a test ride of both bikes. I think he would be in far better position to decide.

Akshat

And, infact it doesn't matter whether I'm a die hard fan of Karizma or not unless I'm pointing its positive points alongwith its negative points as well.
My reply was that he just wants to choose a bike then why telling him how a particular bike will perform after mods
Cheers!

Nice thread for a first post... I could already feel some ZMA Vs P220 wars brewing up... lol. Hope this thread is kept clean and you dont get further confused by us.

You are quite right in all of your 5 points, however - it would be pointless to discuss whether the ZMA is outdated or not, to some of us xbhpians, we still live in a world where we still love and cherish 20+ year old 2-strokers, i know i do. I would hate to admit anyone calling an RD as outdated model, although i secretly realize that it is.

Same concept might apply for many of us here, so you many never really get your question answered.

A better approach is to jot down what are the factors you would like to have as stock options in your future bike and go for that with an open mind, ignoring the brand part. You seem to have already made up your mind to go for the ZMA-R, if you are passionate about it then simply go ahead. There's always aftermarket upgrade. But think about what makes the bike so attractive to you, even though it does not meet so many of your expectations in the stock form. If you still have your heart set on it, go for it, you will not regret it.

Be warned, sourcing parts for an "outdated" bike is not as easy as the ones that a larger consumers prefer as there will always be a relatively higher market demand for it. All the best for your hunt!

At the end of it all it comes to running the bike. How you handle it at the end of the day. Maintenance of Bajaj is cheaper than Hero and quality of Hero is better than Bajaj. So what you buy and maintain is all upto you. I agree to the point that the ZMA is getting outdated and has not seen any commendable upgrade over the years.

As for headlamp and leg guard goes, most bikes coming out are with fairings and a standard 35/35 W bulb. So in any which case you will have to upgrade. TT is also possible any day any bike (with alloy wheels).
Now why fuel injection and rear disk is for you to decide. Do you really want them !!!

yeah sure, Apache ABS
the new R15
P180
ZMR

My only point was tourer vs dragster. What he wants.
Peace mate. Burn the road, not the thread.

Ride on,
Akshat

Well.. I, for one, was all set to get the ZMA-R, if the 220 hadn't been there. Always loved the looks of the bike

So what have you decided liquid123?

I hope he'll return to see what's going on in this thread

@ haxor

In what ways you think the P180 and Apache (X ABS Part alone) you think is dated when compared to the ZMA, also I would include the ZMR to this account.

We should admit the fact that ZMA was a bike which was futuristic during its launch.

well even i don't know about P180 but yeah RTR180 ABS & ZMR are no doubt technologically more advanced then ZMA-R..

The HH Hunk and CBZ Xtreme are also technologically advanced than the Karizma R, if only technology is the main concern here